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Another thing that might help at the very early stages is not to fix the stem, keel and sternpost until you have finished the planking. That way you will not damage those parts when sanding down and finishing off the planking. I had to spend ages taking off the scratches on all three once I had done my planking. This applies especially to the stern post as you have to make a bearding line and place the edges of the planks in line with the edge of the sternpost. There are lots of things like this that were not covered in the instructions given with the kit I'm building. It may be that the Lady Nelson instructions are slightly better, but as they are from the same company and have a very similar construction, I'm taking the liberty of giving my own experience! Tony
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Looking forward to your log. There's no shortage of cutters now on this forum, so you'll get plenty of interest and as much information as you want. The first steps may be the most daunting but you should soon find your feet. As Antony said,don't be afraid to ask about anything you find puzzling. There's no such thing as a stupid question here. Everyone has at some stage gone through the same learning process and very happy to help others through the inevitable problems that arise. Just one word of advice which may make no sense now but you should pin somewhere for future reference: it's better to leave the mast cap off until you've finished the shrouds and other ropes that have to go over the top. I really wish someone had given me that tip for my own model as right now it's proving very fiddly to tie ropes between the mast and topmast. Tony
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Topsail yard tie rig on 1763 cutter (Sherbourne)
tkay11 replied to tkay11's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Thanks, Henry. My confusion was that I didn't see how the direction would be changed since the channels are about the same height as the gunwale. So the line from a block which is raised from the channels would then feed to a block that is attached to the gunwale and then to a timber-head which is also at the same height. I hadn't seen any advantage over simply pulling the line inboard from a block that was already at or near gunwale height when it was placed on a channel. I hope that helps you see why I was confused! Tony- 4 replies
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Topsail yard tie rig on 1763 cutter (Sherbourne)
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Yes, Dave, that is of help. It also tallies with Petersson's drawings in Rigging Periood Fore-and-Aft Craft, where the fall goes directly to the deck. Thanks very much! Tony- 4 replies
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Topsail yard tie rig on 1763 cutter (Sherbourne)
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Another question while I try to figure out the rigging for my yards. I'm trying to figure out how to rig the topsail yard tie. Steel says the following: "Tie reeves from aft, through the sheave hole in the mast-head, comes down, and clinches round the slings of the yard: the other end has a double block spliced, that connects by its fall to a single block hooked in the channel; the fall leads through a leading block on the gunwale, and belays to a cleat or timber-head." I'm ok as far as the single block hooked in the channel, but I can't work out the subsequent route of the fall. Thus I see it as: So could someone help me as to how the fall would go to the timberhead? The way I see it is that if it does go through another block on the gunwale, there would be no mechanical advantage at all. Of course I may be missing something obvious, so that's why I'm asking the professionals! Thanks Tony- 4 replies
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I agree with Druxey. But let's have a hypothetical to see if that helps any further. Suppose you were to dismantle everything, start all over again, correctly place the scarf, etc. Then, a few weeks down the line, oh no! You find yet another mistake of the same order that only you have noticed. AAAARGH! Would you then yet again dismantle the whole thing and start again? I don't think I have ever seen any build without a booboo somewhere. But indeed, yes, some people do go and start again -- but generally once lots of others comment on the difficulty, or when it makes future progress impossible. Then you have to think about how accurate it all is. Was that treenail 0.01mm out? Are the frames exactly spaced as the original? (Well, no, they're the wrong size to start with since they're at scale, and you then worry you can't get the grain to scale, and you haven't seen how the original plans were interpreted fully). Of course, only you can decide on your level of acceptance, and, as others have said, along with the great unlikelihood of anyone else ever noticing whilst standing in awe at the beauty of your craftmanship. Tony
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Thanks, Frank. I agree totally. My comment was just to point out that this has nothing to do either with being 'sissy' or with being 'a solid tough breed' -- whatever those might mean. Tony
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Wonderful! I've much enjoyed this one, and look forward to the next! Beautifully finished. The sails are especially pleasing and well crafted. Thanks very much Tony
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Cholera and the other illnesses causing death among the passengers, like TB and plague, caused death amongst all types of people. Well-fed officers were as prone to these problems as the privates in the various wars of the time. The major problem was not the starting health or fitness of the people but the extent of contamination. The major variables are exposure, duration of exposure, concentration of bacteria and frequency of exposure. Tony
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It's great to see the sail set. Well done, done well! Tony
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Lovely detailed explanations, Frank. Thanks a lot. Just to help those who might like this saw but are in Europe (so no VAT or customs), the holder can be bought for €7 from Ireland at: http://www.radubstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=77_112&products_id=312 The blades (4 types from superfine to coarse) are €3.70 each and the links for each of them are at the above address. The holder needs the Swann Morton ACM1 handle for another €4.95 (also linked at the above site). So the total cost with 4 blades without shipping would be €26.75. Tony
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Good advice, Daniel. I don't know if this has been mentioned in the discussions you refer to, but just in case some might not want to use CAD or Photoshop because of the expense, there are some free CAD programmes available (TurboCAD 12, Draftsight, SketchUp) as well as the free version of Photoshop CS2 which will scale pdf and jpg files very accurately. The reason for mentioning this is that I have found some scanners distort differently in the x and y axes, and these CAD and Photoshop programmes allow you to scale each axis to a different degree. Tony
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Thanks a lot, Niklas and Clare, although I must admit to some embarrassment when I compare what I have done with so many other builds. I score myself about 8 out of 10 for perseverance, learning, explanation and experimentation, but probably 2 out of 10 for finish. Comments such as yours reinforce the wonderful ethos of this forum where people critique and support one another for our mutual benefit and learning -- all in the understanding that we all are our own severest critics and all go through these same initial learning steps. It goes to keeping us all motivated and striving to do our best. As for learning how to build a ship model the right way, Clare -- that really made me smile after I have been following the probing intelligence you have been using on the Alert and your exquisite builds of Japanese boats. Thanks again Tony
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Great progress. There are lots of really great hints on most aspects of model making at the late Hubert Sicard's site called Ship Modelling for Dummies, which you can find at http://www.shipmodeling.ca/aaplandusite.html The site has a great number of videos as well as detailed hints and tips, mostly using jigs you can make yourself at extremely low cost. It costs USD40 for a lifetime's access, but is really worth it. I thought of this site since tapering masts using a drill is one of his specialities. Tony
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A question for al you users of scroll saws
tkay11 replied to michael mott's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
The DS115 saw Mark refers to is now the DS 230/E. For those in Europe, you can buy it from SAT Berlin for €99.98, or £81.70. See http://www.satberlin.de/en/PROXXON-machines/Table-top-tools/PROXXON-Scroll-saw-DS-230/E-NO-27088. Tony -
As you say, it'll be painted over, so no need to worry. Just another learning experience. And don't worry too much about the rabbet as it's not so hard to line the planks up -- as you say. Lots of modellers use filler if they don't line up. Again, as it'll be painted there should be no worry. You might want to consider putting filler blocks between the bulkheads, especially at stem and stern. That would make the process of planking and fairing much easier. I used balsa, but next time I'll use something firmer such as pine or basswood/linden/lime. Tony
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ancre Le Rochefort 1787 by Niklas - 1:36
tkay11 replied to Niklas's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
Wonderful to see another Rochefort started. I too have the plans but won't be starting till I've finished my cutter. I'm looking forward to following your log -- no doubt it'll save me from making a lot of mistakes! You've made a great start. Tony -
I am travelling at the moment and on very dodgy connections, so cannot access my usual resources, but I remember a lengthy discussion about this on MSW1. At that time mention was made of the practice off frapping the ropes round the gun tackles, except on the occasions in the Navy when inspections were carried out. On those occasions the ropes were laid in coils on the deck. I don't think anyone has mentioned this idea on this thread so far, so thought I'd bring it up. It's what I decided to do (in a very clumsy way) on my Sherbourne model. Tony
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Agreed. Very nice indeed. Sails maketh the ship. Tony
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Attaching a Cutter's foresail to its horse rail
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Thanks, Frankie. Sounds good. I'm at the airport now, so I'll look at this in more detail once I've arrived tomorrow and if I have a good connection. Tony -
Attaching a Cutter's foresail to its horse rail
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Thanks, John. That's quite reasonable, and the description was clear about terminating the sheet by frapping and hitching. I'm presume that would make adjustments to the blocks faster as well as not leaving more ends crossing the deck. Steel isn't here to argue and in the absence of reprimands about historical truth, so I think I'll go with the simple and straightforward solution with the two blocks as you suggest. Tony -
Attaching a Cutter's foresail to its horse rail
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Thanks, John. A lovely illustration. That's exactly how I would have done it if the description by Steel were just to the two blocks, and I agree it is the most likely and obvious solution. What threw me was the description by Steel of the to'ing and fro'ing "alternately, between the strap of the block and the seizing or dead-eye; then through the thimble at the clue" I really couldn't make head or tail of that. I also love your description -- it really gives life to the whole concept! Tony -
After the tremendous help I received regarding the nature of the horse for the foresail, I find I have a further quandary. How to attach the foresail to the rail. I find the description given by Steel to be very confusing. He says: "Sheets reeve through a block made fast to the horse with a thimble, or, in some sloops, a dead-eye iron bound, and through a block at the clue, and so on, alternately, between the strap of the block and the seizing or dead-eye; then through the thimble at the clue, till the whole sheet is expended; then frapped together and hitched." I really cannot envisage this. It seems to say that the sheet is bound to the clue, then directly to a block at the horse, then to a block also attached to the clue, then to the seizing or dead-eye, then to the strap of the block at the clue then (after going back and forth 'between the strap of the block and the seizing or dead-eye') through the thimble at the clue and, when the rope is spent, frapped and hitched to the layers of rope so formed. I can't find a picture showing this, apart from a very indistinct picture from Cole's build of the Alert. I'd therefore be very grateful if someone could explain how the foresail is attached to the horse rail in this manner, especially if they could provide a drawing, illustration or picture. Just in case people reply after tomorrow afternoon, I'll be on a three-week trip starting mid-day Thursday 10th, and so may be unable to reply until I can find suitable wi-fi connections wherever I'll be staying. Thanks in advance Tony
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