Overworked724

Hi Will. Not quite clear on the steps you took to make your cleats. Could you repost with a few more pics? The pic of the linear holes you made in your pear sheet isn't enough for me to grasp your process and I'm very curious!

Well…time to button up the shipyard for 4-6 weeks. Shoulder surgery tomorrow (☹️) and I’ve got no more time left to spare to plunk on the quarter badges. However…with the main parts made, and my ideas for the garlands, scroll work, roof details, etc. tested…I think I can take a pretty good run at finishing these up after I recover. Next steps are drilling pin holes (yes…pins for the win when mounting these things…I’m not bloody guessing), painting the windows, staining, putting on the shingles and detail work…yada yada. Gratuitous photo of the unglued bits (mounted on some Tamiya tape) before I put the shipyard to sleep for a while. I’m still not done…but I’m feeling pretty good about my progress so far on this little side trip. Moving on…

Someone slap me. That actually worked. 😳

Especially after a tin of ship’s grog!

Ok….a couple things….the little lower portion pieces of the quarter badge build (see above post) floating in water look like oysters. Second…I’ve decided on my mounting method and mounting wood. Going with flamed maple using brass pedestals. Already have my mounting holes and embedded screws…now I can measure out my case height/width/length and place the order. The wood figuring should give a nice illusion of waves while the traditional pedestals should show off the copper plating. That’s my current idea…but I might change my mind later. We’ll see. 😎 Moving on…

Quarter badge bashing continued. 1. Decided to use some translucent sculpy for the roof base. Had plenty of templates handy so just shaped and formed with my fingers and the edge of a flat razor. Looks weird but after baking is nice and solid. Holds super glue well…tried gluing my wood shingles on it and held them like iron. That part will come later. 2. Bases/undersides were a problem. Making them individually is beyond me. So measured out the thickness, and made a wood sandwich block. Then drew out the general shape. 3. Used my rotary tool with barrel sander to knock out the basic shape. Then fine tuned with sanding pads. You can almost see the layers…but the roof and base sections are all curves. 4. Now I’m soaking the little pieces in water to separate them. I will remake the middle section a bit wider to etch in the detail and provide the visual separation seen in the plans. Still a long way to go. I’m not doing replicates of these as they are too much work. But working in sections and experimenting before putting in practice helps. Long way to go, but happy with the progress so far…moving on.

Decided on the overall plan of attack on the quarter badges. 👍🏽 We’ll see…proof is in the pudding.

Ok. Got the windows made. Also made spares. See below for my quick and dirty process. 1. Smash some sculpy into your window template. 2. Lift plug of sculpy gently and bake at 275F for 30 min. 3. Shave off the windows after they cool. Trim off the excess. Also decided I would recess the windows. So got those set up along with some spares. Carved out the ceiling and floor sections (trim pieces) using 1/32” boxwood. Made a quickie scraper to cut in the trim piece edge detail… Checked the overall fit… Think I’ve left enough room there to mess up if something happens. Trying to noodle my way through the shingles…🤔 Moving on…

Lesson learned….2D window frame dimensions do not fit a 3D structure. The window I made are too narrow. There’s too much of a gap between the windows when I lay them in the window “base” (or whatever you call the part of the quarter badge where the windows are installed. ) I’ll make some a bit wider.

Two things….the upper and lower portions of the gallery focus the apex along the axial line. No machining here…just eyeballing and artistic skill. So this is less precision and more ‘expression’. So, I’ll give myself a lot of forgiveness. @WalrusGuy did a phenomenal job in his build setting up these sections. Since I’m working off the ship, I’ll go for broke and have fun using his build as a reference. My approach to these upper and lower sections is still TBD. But I’m of the opinion that if you can nail down the center sections, you have a good chance of expanding the sandwiched frames on the upper and lower section with less difficulty. So…center section(s) first. Here we go…

Tried using a new window frame template to make sculpy windows with thinner frames…and the same method works. No pics on that, but I think I prefer the wider frames I made earlier. Don’t know why…maybe they have a better chance of hiding mistakes. 🤣 But truly, the wider frames give me some ‘adjustment room’ if needed. Decided to take a whack at making the window mounts…like @WalrusGuy, I’ll try making these as a sandwich. The first part I’m attacking is the frame mount (main body) made from 1/4” cedar section. The trapezoidal nature of the thing is mind bending…I ended up with a good result. Eyeballed mostly. I’ll make a bunch of these just to have some spares to mess with…. Moving on…

I think the best rope available comes from Syren Ship Model Company. I think Chuck is making new rope and now has help. I wouldn’t use thread. You might want to check there….most modeler’s swear by his rope. (Me included…I’m biased though. His rope made all the difference on my Sultana)

Thanks @WalrusGuy! Actually, it’s funny you mention making the frame edges thinner to match the plans. I was thinking the same thing as I reviewed the pics. 🤔

Many thanks @niwotwill! Yeah...the knife is coming down next week....so I'm going to enjoy myself this week! I've seen @Gahm's build and frankly, his skill is a bit beyond me! LOL. But...again, I'm enjoying the problem solving and out of the box approach using only my table saw. Truth be told, I'm really equipment and skill limited...so I'm just enjoying the heck out of trying to find a reproducible way to 'creating' itty-bitty parts to replace the kits parts. It's fun! I have a pretty general game plan on how to create the quarter badges from scratch, piggy backing on a lot of what others have done before me. The problem I was trying to tackle initially was the bloody window frames. So...I did not want to use detail tape as used before on my Sultana. I tried using wood, but these things are TINY - and a few efforts left me frustrated and exhausted! Trying to get clean angles without a clear and defined 'macro' approach to achieve precision and consistency is a real challenge. So...I went a bit off the reservation. I decided to go back to my old friend, sculpy (again) for a ridiculous approach to making the teensy-weensy-itty-bitty frames. So here is my approach...still trying to refine this, but initial results seem promising. 1. Measured up the frames from the plans and prepared a 'template' by using a slitting blade on my Byrne's saw (just barely above table level - couldn't have been more than 1/64"). Used a block of spare wood to make the window frame template. 2. Used some flesh colored sculpy and smashed it into the 'template'. Gently pulled it away and baked. I’ll paint later once I get enough 'good pieces'. I know the sculpy might shift or bend - but frankly, after trying to make the frame by wood, I can't see minor shape shifting (the sculpy is firm but not fully rigid…and can bend or disfigure with too much manipulation) being too much of an issue. Besides, the quarter badge frame still needs to be made yet - and the windows will be adjusted to fit. 3. After baking and cooling, I used a flat razor and simply 'scraped' (sliced) very gently the proud image of the window frame from the sculpy backing. I mean...these things are tiny. But once separated from the sculpy backing (or block), they are pretty resilient and can be cut/sanded to meet the dimensions required. Keep in mind, in this method, you only need one template. The 3 windows on one badge are mirror reflections of the windows of the twin badge on the opposite side. Proof is always in the pudding....we shall see. So...that's one approach. But I'll be darned if I'm going to consider that cheating!!! Moving on....

Ok…not sure if my reference to metal pieces and Brittania pieces are causing confusion…so I’ll just refer to them as metal pieces. To be clear, the quarter badge metal pieces are not very good. They are the opposite of good. They are bad. They are inconsistent and do not match. But as I said, it forces me to approach them as a new project, so I’ll forgo requesting a replacement from the manufacturer. I’ve seen some builds that did get a better replacement…but I’ll just attack them as a scratch build opportunity. 😊

We’ll…putzing putzing putzing. Got shoulder surgery next week. Until then I’ve been slowing messing around with the remake of the quarter badges. Words can’t quite express my amazement at how bad the metal kit pieces are…as others have noted, the two sides don’t match and the overall quality is also pretty awful. Leaving me with a fun running attempt at remaking them! The bit that I’m messing around with is…window frames. On my Sultana, I tried using strips of detail tape with passing (not great) results. So…I have been trying (without success) to make nicely shaped and consistent window frames. Would love to hear how others approached this part of the Syren kit bash.

Awesome work, Dave!

Good ideas!!! I’m always looking for space!

By the way, forgot to say thank you for the kind kudos, Walrus. I constantly refer back to your build. 👍🏽

Take a look at my build. I think that’s a problem for most folks. The way I did it (lifted from another Syren log) was use a self adhesive rotary (disc 5”) sanding pad 120grit. if you peel off the adhesive from the back and double it on itself, it’s thick/stiff and a little malleable. You can also trim it with scissors so when you sand the inside bulkheads the sanding pad will ‘skip/slide’ over the frames as you sand from stem to stern near the deck. Just one idea you might want to try. Looking good!!!!

By the way, if you look back on how I made my carronade sled wheels, I used that same technique to make perfectly round wheels of the same diameter...only problem was the metal plate was too thick for the cathead sheaves. Something to think about...all I really needed was a slightly thinner piece of metal with a round hole and you're set. Then you could make a ton of sheave wheels of the same thickness, diameter without sweat. I'll remember that for future...just didn't occur to me until now!

There probably is some washer or fitting which comes close. But the axle size and diameter is extremely small...watch fitting may come close. You’d still have some modifications to do...I was going for the best effect with least resistance. But there is always more than one way to skin a cat. 👍🏽

Bingo!!!! And since I don’t have a mill or a lathe, modeling with the sculpy gave me an opportunity for realistic illusion. Might not be wood or metal, but I think it looks pretty bloody good for a first attempts at catheads with sheaves (sans lathe). By the way…I’ll give all the credit to my knowledge and fearless attempts at ridiculous but fun uses of this stuff to Chuck since he used this stuff in his Sultana Practicum (my first and only build). 👍🏽

I might try that!!! Play Do for ship modelers!!!!

Honestly….I preshaped my garboard and first three after the garboard for 24 hours each. The placed them on the shop….pinned/clamped them in…and watched a movie. Be patient. If you get them preshaped…glueing is easy.