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In your view what do you suppose the forward capstone does in the forecastle? I suspect its part of the anchor chain retention mechanism. The chain was then lowered down into the hold from there. The forecastle also acted as crews quarters. During this period , windlasses were being replaced by capstans in general use. Since both T and CS were composite ships, and iron and new technologies were replacing older wooden constructed older designs…… it is not a stretch to assume these upgrades were added to T. This is where good deduction comes into play. To paraphrase Spock; “When all impossible things have been eliminated whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth”. Here are some examples of capstans driving below decks winches for anchor use. Rob
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Indeed. When you see 2 or 3 different representations of the same vessel....this is your clew to prepare to dig into your research mode. I wouldn't completely disregard the first images of the antique model. It was evidently done by an extremely skilled model shipwright. This suggests he was probably also skilled at his research. His attention to detail, suggests this skill overflows into his maritime research skill as well. Remember, just because you see 1 or 2 different renderings of a model...doesn't mean the vessel didn't go through some up...or down grades itself...thus being represented in the model depicted. My own Glory of the Seas is the perfect example. Both mine and Vlad's models faithfully represent Glory of the Seas....though they are nearly unidentical. He, modeled her as built....mine models her over 8 years later, after some major additional construction. This being said..... means you need to dig.....validate what is verifiable and reject what is not. And DO NOT mix time period details. I found this error being made as a regular practice, when I researched my Great Republic. Good luck and keep searching for the truth. Rob
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She’s looking real smart. I’m assuming the shrouds will be string so they can flex back when you collapse the masts? Rob
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I'm sure you have a good set of hull drawings.
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Notice the difference between Cyril Hume's forecastle. She has Wiskers on her catheads......sail locker, head houses...... You have your homework ahead of you. To filter out the inaccuracies. Rob
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Notice the difference between Cyril Hume's forecastle and that of the one of this antique model............There is no windless...visible.
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Is this antique model of Thermopylae....one you are speaking of?
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1/96 has proven the scale, for my attention to detail. Any larger and I would have to replicate more accurately...the actual seizing's, material, joinery....ect. 1/96 has allowed me to hyper detail, without eliminating crucial and essential details.....plus the scale is small enough that extremely minor details can be eliminated all together. Like your, *In a bottle* scale of 1/700 which, if the modeler is skilled enough, can yield nice detail...while permitting many finer details to be eliminated or simply suggested...without losing the faithfulness of the replication. Historical...not to mention physical accuracy, IMHV, must be translated to your model if you want to present an accurate representation.....rather than a more artistic expression of the vessel. I can't tell you how many corrections I had to make during construction....when new, never before seen photographs, were presented to me via Michael Mjelde. Again....thanks for your fine comments and encouragement. Rob
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Good job…..but those added cowlings taper back to the hull . Not squared off like you have then. Look closely at the model you posted. Rob
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I always enjoy watching bottle builders at their craft. So tricky erecting everything inside the thin bottle neck. I will watch with anticipation as you assemble her in that narrow bottle. Great job for sure. Rob
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Thank you gentlemen, for your kind words. One of the items on my list, was to take comparative images....(not all are of a completed model)....but the point is, to compare the actual photographed vessel with the model. It is a sure way of determining if I stayed as true to the prototype as possible. These fine high quality images were made possible by my friend Michael Mjelde, author of several books on Glory of the Seas. Without them, I could not have achieved the level of accuracy I was aiming for. Rob
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Or fully set with internal access available for detailed viewing.
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Furled sails are best when done realistically. Tightly furled sails represents those on ships in port for lengthy times.
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Rick...just remember to keep the hang of the footropes in scale. Imagine a scale man resting over the yard on his belly..... reaching for sail to furl. Place the footropes at that level....then add the stirrups. You will always be even and both sides will be aligned. Symmetry is important here. there is nothing worse then seeing footropes so long that if a person were to be standing on them...the yard would be over their head. Not Good. Thanks for the fine comment. I find keeping the rigging as accurate as possible is the most rewarding for me. In this case....for me....MORE is better... As long as it is in scale....or pretty darn close. Rob
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So many things fell into place....things no one could have remotely imagined...but were necessary...for this project to find true revelation and accuracy. I still groan over minor oversights I still notice today. Things that were identified after construction had finalized. Some things were so grievous, I had to correct despite the demolition required. Namely her forecastle....and reconstruction of her built masts. Still....possibly another will come along and build their own version and correct the discrepancies that remain. I kept all the plywood punchouts left over from the bulkhead framing....I got from Vlad. In this way, I can trace out the individual bulkheads from these and have the designs for making new *bones* for another model.....IF, I were ever inclined. Lazer cuttouts these days are so precise....there would be very little error from the parent cutout. Thanks for your fine comments and contributions Rich..........NOW, it is left up to you to compile all this data and imagery into a comprehensive article to bring to publication. (That, I think, is the harder task) Rob
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I'm out of control....here are a few more comparisons. the bow in dry dock. Rob
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Thanks Nic. I learned in telescope mirror making, that a skill at comparative evaluation is almost a builders necessity. It attunes the eye and mind to what is visible from a photographic record, not always what is determined my scaled measurements alone. Thanks so very much for your comments, your reaction is priceless.. Rob
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This is true. I’m still in negotiations to acquire a copy of the only hand drawn original drawings of the Western Shore from my friend Steve Priske. That will be fun. Rob
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Oh no. Just that I have been researching her the longes…….over 17 years. And I have visited her resting place and possess several of her artifacts. I personally, am friends of the greatest historian of her life ………Michael Mjelde. So I say this build has been the paramount of my model making career. This was my second attempt at building her……..hence the finality. She is finished. Lots of other models to build. I still have to finish the Donald McKay. Rob
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Rich, your words are so very true. so many took part in this final adventure. The three most important elements of any great model is, Research, research, and research. So many contributed their specialty and it was utilized to the fullest. Sucha great theme for part of your article...Rich. I am so blessed to have so many helping hands...aiding me to complete my life long desire....to create the most accurate model of my most favorite ship, Glory of the Seas......and her master builder....Donald McKay. Rob
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Thanks everyone....it was fun trying to get as close as the original image....but lenses...camera angle...location...depth of field...etc..etc...... Here is one last one. Rob
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