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Hi Rob, no, Ian going to address this in another post. There is not enough room on the taffrail for all the belaying pins without them being crowded. I choose to expand the taffrail to accommodate all the pins. This is the same as the Benjamin Packard and the Star of India in San Diego which is a much later ship. I have no evidence that this was done on the Flying Fish. Call it artistic license LOL
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An excellent observation ClipperFan and I agree with you about the placement of the windows. I am not going to correct this version as I’m not sure I can do it without having to remake the entire bulkhead. I also have the plank on bulkhead version of the flying fish so that when I am done with this version I can correct my mistakes on the next. This too I will also correct. in regards to your truly excellent work on The Naval hood with Glory of the Seas, may I recommend the book ship carvers of North America by Brewington. It was published I believe in 1963 and is out of print. I understand he’s considered the definitive work for American ship carvings. He has included three or four pages devoted to The Naval hood and the transformation of the cut water to take the smaller figureheads and billet heads for the clipper ships and the transformation from upright to leaning forward to reduce weight. I believe you would find this extremely interesting. I Also want to commend you for the beautiful drawings you have rendered, especially of the flying fish. I am attempting to carve the figurehead and I find your drawings to be very useful. Thanks again
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I modeled the doors to the storage space on either side of the poop deck similar to the Packard. Note that the planks are vertical as opposed to horizontal.
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About this time, the photos of the Buttersworth painting became available online, clearly depicting 2 windows on either side of the aft cabin. The windows were added and the fancy knees where then made along with the molding which was again modeled after the Packard. At his point I was unsure about windows and elected not to place any.
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When I purchased the FF model and reviewed the plans, the aft cabin face as depicted on the plans just didn’t look right to me. With all due respect to those who developed the plans, It is not aesthetic and the asymmetry with just the one window bothered me especially when compared to photos of the Benjamin Packard and the Glory of The Seas that have beautiful aft cabins. Therefore I decided to model the aft cabin similar to the aft cabin of the Packard. This was done prior to the Buttersworth painting being made available. This is what I came up with.
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Rob, How do you plan to rig the head stays on Glory? It appears on the one photo of Glory, the one of the figurehead from the port side, that the stays set up under the forecastle. The Flying Fish is rigged the same way.
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Rob, looks great!! And the coppering is superb!!
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When I purchased this model some 40 years ago I had no previous woodworking or metalworking experience such as soldering. So obviously choosing this model as my first wooden model ship, I made a good choice! LOL I immediately ran into problems when I started carving the hull in that I was never able to establish or maintain a consistent centerline. I also made the mistake of trying to carve out the bulwarks instead of cutting them out and replacing them with sheet stock. The result is that the hull is not symmetric which caused large problems when it came time to plank the deck and place the main, top gallant and Taffrail and stanchions. The hull and the deck were planked with Holly, which was good for the deck and bad for the hull. The holly, being very flexible, ended up being wavy on the hull, and instead of removing it and replacing it, I ended up sanding it down so that the plank lines were eliminated except at the bow and the stern. I purchased copper sheets for the copper plating, not realizing it came with an adhesive on one side. This was a mess to remove but after that I held the copper sheet over an open flame to discolor it per Eric Romberg and then cut the Copper sheet into strips and cemented it on with contact cement. I did not do a very good job. It looks OK from a distance, but not very good up close. I also made the forward facing bulkhead of the aft cabin house, but more on that later, the main top gallant and taffrails, with stanchions purchased from Bluejacket. I did not like the white metal fittings that came with this kit and decided long ago to replace them or make my own. The replacements from Bluejacket are of much better quality. For references I have made extensive use of Wm Carothers American Built Clipper Ship, Paul Morris’s book on the Benjamin Packard which contains a wealth of information in the photos of the details of the actual ship as well as NRG ship notes, Model Shipways magazine, and mote recently EDT’s superb 3 volume set on the Young America.
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Interestingly,the China painting shows the ship’s boats painted black whereas Buttersworth depicts them white. Also, theChina Painting has the fore end of the taffrail , where it turns down, as bright, not painted whereas Buttersworth omitted this detail. I believe the taffrail does not extend as far forward as depicted on the FF plans by Model Shipways. This makes sense to me as the curved part of the rail could function as a hand rail for the ladder/steps up to the poop deck. This is how I choose to model them. I believe that Buttersworth omitted this detail as opposed to the Chinese artist adding something that wasn’t there. The Chinese artist probably had first hand knowledge of FF where as Buttersworth may have painted from descriptions of FF? Just my opinion.
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Here are the photos of the China trade painting of Flying Fish. Due to the cramped quarters, I couldn’t get a full picture. Although I have the catalog with the picture. I need to dig it out.
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This is a picture of the box the model came in. It has been through the wars as you can see.I will add more picture which I started taking about 6 years ago. I would like to add that this is first wood model I have ever made. Since I started the Flying Fish, I did make Blue Jacket’s J24 and I restored a old model that had wood sails.
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I have been reading with interest the blogs about buildings Model Shipways Flying Fish. This is opportune for me as I have been building the solid hull version of this model for over 40 years. I have been particularly interested in other builders interpretation of the aft cabin and stem of the Flying Fish. I have been fortunate in that I was able to observe and photograph the china trade painting of the Flying Fish when it was up for auction in 2005(?) at Northeast Auctions.. Since then we have all benefited from the pictures of the Flying Fish painting by James Buttersworth that is now available to view online. Both these paintings have cleared up questions about the ship such as mast and bowsprit colors aft cabin face and to some degree, the figurehead. While I think I am the only builder building the solid haul version, I will attempt to relate my own experience building this model and the results of my own research and thoughts. I hope you did this interesting.
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I am still trying to figure out how to do that I am a technological dinosaur
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Rob, I’ve been collecting nautical antiques for the last 30+ years. Moved to Maine a little over two years ago from Cleveland. Congratulations on being retired I’m supposed to be hopefully soon as practice is interfering too much with my modeling.!!!
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Those are actually copper strips .02 at 1/32 width that I cut on the Byrnes table saw . I used a center punch and hand drilled the holes with a #75 drill bit per EdT modified to my limited ability and lack of experience. The other chain plates are3/64 wide
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Rob, Beautiful job on Glory!! I understand from Nic at Blue Jacket that you are also a DDS/DMD
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Thanks Rob. I started this model 40 years ago when it was a solid hull model
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I believe that these are brackets supporting the lower channel. These are shown on the plans for the flying fish.
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It’s solid hull that I bought in 1980-1981. I did plank the hull but lost most of the lines when I sanded it This is my first attempt at a wood model. I started it when I got it but went decades when I didn’t touch it. Back into now. And as pointed out by others, the castings are really bad.
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I am replacing the windlass that came with my Flying Fish kit (40yrs old) with a beautiful windlass from Blue jacket. Their castings are really well done. The rest I am attempting to make myself including the figurehead
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I drilled the hawse holes on my Fish parallel to the centerline. It was difficult to determine from the plans but seemed reasonable that one would want the chain to exit straight and not have a bend in the chain as the anchor fell away
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In one of the earlier post it was stated that the waterways were placed on top of the deck planks. I believe that the waterways were actually butted against the inside of the bulwarks and let into the deck beams. The decking was then butted against the waterways and laid on top of the deck beams. Really great work everybody!! Rick
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