Veszett Roka
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Another one (had to rotate for upload) shows that the figurehead painted to gold on this model too.
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Thanks Ian, no, i didn't read Newby's book, but its on my wishlist from now, thanks for the tip! If you come to Europe for a museum-ship trip, do not forget to visit Mariehamn where Pommern is moored, just a few hours away from Stockholm. Unfortunately when i was in the Vasamuseet i had no time for a day trip to Aland island. Or two days... Now you're lucky if you want to see a few P-liners: Peking now the main attraction of Port Museum Hamburg (although it is already closed for winter), Passat is moored in Lubeck, they are quite close and you can compare them to each other: are they really sisters? Hamburg has daily ferry connection to Stockholm (where Wasa is) and then you can go to see Pommern with another ferry trip. Let me share my pictures of another Preussen model, yet unfinished. It might help with the brace winches, unfortunately i didn't found exact source where they was in reality. I'm tend to agree with the belaying map.
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Just came across this build log, as I'm quite a fan of Flying P liners, especially the windjammers. So be careful with that Passat kit. Actually this is a renamed Pamir kit. Although claimed Passat and Pamir as sisters, Pamir had a different bow and the mentioned kit depict Pamir's. The portholes and hawse pipes are different and the reviewer didn't paid attention to this fact. However, the kit itself is very good in 1:150 scale - i have one half-completed and in progress. The Heller kit had vacuum-formed plastic sails too, but i think i will not use them. Passat's true sister ship is Peking, she is a museum ship in Hamburg after an exhaustive restoration (to seaworthy condition). The restoration was performed in the Blohm und Woss shipyard, by her original manufacturer and using her original blueprints. Anyways, the Preussen is surely a different one, the only built 5 masted full rigged ship at time. A true masterpiece of sailing vessels. You Sir got a new follower! happy modeling, Miki
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I disagree. Although she is a different ship both in size and duty, the solutions are the same (just think their rudder and helm: Victory's larger, and the steering ropes aren't visible due they are under the deck, but the solution is the same). I think checking models is a good source, other modelers might have better resources than you, and they are trying to interpret their models with their best. Additionally the ships can change both in colors and rigging, so which version is the only good one? For a fine example, Lusitania. She had 3 wing propellers at first, then changed the outer two to 4 wing and different shape, then changed all four to 4 wing but smaller size and again different shape from the previous. Which is the good when modeling the ship? Original plans issued with 3 winged screws. Another example: the Wasa (Vasa is the correct form anyways). All books written from her says her colors was blue. Until the new studies unveiled her true color was red instead. We don't know how exactly Mary Rose looked before she sank, we have paintings from her. Which, in fact inaccurate - theyre just giving a general snapshot even for me and for the archeologists of how the carracks looked in the 16th century. All the others are good speculation - and we still have a half hull in Portsmouth. Does this means that we cannot made a model of Mary Rose, because it will be inaccurate? I know you can depict the subject in a certain timeframe (Bounty reaching Pitcairn), but how can you ensure that how the actual ship looked at time, plus whether it matches to the book which written maybe centuries after? And 2 question: from where the authors got their sources? Are those sources reliable ones? I'm pretty sure they read books, checked some models and paintings in the museums, read plans, then they interpret the ship, shipwright with their best - like the modelers. So cut the long story short: i accept other modelers work as a source, also other different ships from the same era. Also the modern sailing replicas, even the 1960 Bounty replica sunk, and 1978 replica built on steel frames. The only restriction is to say: my model is probably not 100% accurate because my sources could be inaccurate - but truly depict the era and mariner life in the period.
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I did checked some Bounty models and also a couple of pictures of the sailing replica of Bounty. The wooden sticks which exists on Victory doesnt found on Bounty, despite the fact that they are from the same era. Seemingly the solution vary for each ship.
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It should stay on top, the furled sail must be tied to the gaff yard and to the mast itself. For me, the second version (red-yellow) is the good one. Looking for Victory's bow, it clearly shows that solution:
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I think the poppy seed phrase is very accurate here anyway. The key is the dimension, also the scale. At a certain point there is impossible to display the desired accuracy, we have to model something similar than the original. Rounding the holes are (or could be?) right at 1:64 but below 1:100 it is more than a microscopic radius and besides it requires precision work, no one will notice it: simply it is visible through magnifier lens only. My blocks are 2mm in 1:150, which means 30 cm in reality which is a quite large one but was hard enough to drill the holes into them to emulate the function of a real thing. I think this is a good accuracy to simulate a block where a block has been on the original ship. Well, higher accuracy would be better, but this is beyond my limits. Just popped up in my mind: drill a hole in the plastic body of the block, and pull a nylon thread with force through it many times. It should smooth the edges of the hole, maybe add a roller effect. What you think fellow builders?
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And here is the original Revell 1:220 kit manual. I hope you can use it. Cutty Sark 1-220 Revell 1987.pdf
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Very good looking vessel! I do love to see the planking like the real one, and the terracotta color is also a bullseye. Will you add sails to her?
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For the blocks, i have used to cut the moulding frames to tiny pieces and drilled 2 holes in at right angles. The below pic is from my 1:150 Vasa, one block is actually 2mm long and the holes are 0.7 mm. Sorry for the quality, there is no better macro fotomachine at hand now.
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Until i finish the scanning, here is a few other manual for additional reference. Somewhere i have a Heller-Airfix one too, but its exact location lost in the time Cutty Sark 1-96 Revell 2017.pdf Cutty Sark Academy2008 - 1-150.pdf Cutty Sark Airfix-1.pdf
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i think this is the same Revell kit, which i've built ~30 years ago. If you need the documentation i still have it, i can scan and post.
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To add sails or not? What is your preference?
Veszett Roka replied to Bill97's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Hi Bill, just came to this topic, a bit late to really answer. I think USS Constitution is good as she is. Today she's moored permanently and no sails were attached to her masts. A few things to consider: if you displays the ship in full sails, the yards were never (or almost never) been parallel, as the sails set to match the wind - they usually sailed 3/4 winds rather than full backtack. However, this could be the situation though, and in this case the gaff sail on the mizzen mast must have been tacked for any side (port or starboard), wouldn't be parallel with the centerline. So all based on how would you like to depict the ship. The current model is both historically and technically accurate, but if you'd like to set her to full sails and glory, you can do it. Cheers, Miki. -
Hi Jo, Is the main mast glued into its hole? On your pic it is 90 degrees off. The pulleys must be parallel to the longitudinal axis of the ship, they will hold and raise the sail. Here is two picture of an original leudo (which is more a ship type than a name). Anyways, really good craftmanship. Happy modeling!
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Hi Patrick, Get well soon! I'm following your build quietly, because i have the same kit (maybe newer mould) still in the box, waiting for other projects to complete. -miki
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Congrats Yves, superb work. I hope you've enjoyed it as many like we did. I especially love the details: posters on the drawers, map and pen on the desk...
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Hi Yves, the flag looks way better now - but it hangs on wrong side. The small cross must be near the pole. Here is an original. happy modelling! Miki
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No one at the helm? Congrats, really impressive model. Good luck to Man-o-War.
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Hi Bill, actually the real railing is white.
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Hi Bill, first of all, amazing build. Cutty Sark is one of my favorite ship, been on her deck in 1994, before the restoration and i've built the 1:220 Revell kit too. The crewmen had no uniform. They wear their own clothes all time, usually light brown or white trousers and some shirt. The officers had a blue coat and blue trousers set, but they wear that ocassionally. By seagoing, they used the same garment than their crew. So no worry about the colors - all color is good. As reference, you might want to watch the series of 'Onedin Line' on youtube, their costumes accurately represents men's fashion of the era. Keep up the good work! Nick
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Hi Chris, none of the mentioned flaws or errors are serious and all can be corrected easily, even the antenna wires or the decals if you revise this model in the next 40 years - i wish you could do! I completed mine about 25 years ago, before the Titanic movie fired up the attention to Titanic again. Mine is an older mould though, with many errors and inaccuracy. -Nick Budapest, Hungary
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Hi Chris, she is a beauty. You did a marvelous job with a notorious joints of Academy/Minicraft kit (see the bridge and the deck joint for example), so accept my congratulations. Why did you neglect the Marconi antenna between the masts? https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1592010/titanic-during-trials-belfast.jpg
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Just an idea Yves. It popped up in me when read the escaping lights of the sphere. What if you light up the back of the background (any of them, Jupiter of your excellent painting) with a few white LEDs, and made a couple of stars by pinning the background with a needle? Anyhow, excellent work. Brings back memories of my childhood. Miki
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