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Even my wife loves the Trial Cutter. So much so that she said it can be displayed in the living room, and that;'s where it is. Adder does have a couple of things going for it, it has a nice flat stern, so easy to plank there, and I have done my best to make adding the pre cut bulwarks around the bow as painless as possible - plus you get two full fat 24 pounders! It seems these were not coppered straight away, but on average a year after launch, so I will do the bottom white.- 417 replies
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Funny you say that, I have considered more than once whilst developing this if it's worth continuing, and abandoning the development, as it's not exactly a looker...
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That is my thinking. I am also thinking that perhaps the chasers had some kind of 'chock' along the bow that touched the front trucks/wheels.
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The upper tiller was an auxiliary, as there is another tiller arm that runs below the upper deck (which is operated with the ships wheel). So the upper tiller arm may not have been fitted in place if not required.
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When designing Revenge, I was in close contact with an expert of this period (I no longer have his details, as this was 15 years ago). Revenge was a very large vessel for her time, and I was told she would have had that upper lateen yard. This is also shown in many contemporary pictures, so I was advised to add it.
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Here are the channel changes, from one plan to the next, plus the downward 'camber' at the bow.
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If I added an extra gun port aft of the main channels when every plan of the Acute Class (and there are a lot of them) does not show this, then it would no longer be an accurate (or as near as damn it) representation of an Acute Class gun brig, but fantasy. As Andy points out, it seems the fore deck was designed specifically for carriage guns, to minimise the recoil of the carriage. The drop down at the fore deck is significant. Having said that about the plans, they did 'Troll' me in one area, the main channels and mast. On the main profile the main mast is a couple of feet forward of where it is indicated on the deck and cutaway profile plans. I always use the main profile for the hull and major fittings and the deck for the deck fittings positions) . However, when I fitted the fore most main channel to my model, which secured just one chainplate, I realised this single channel was too far forward (just aft of the side steps) of the main mast (how did I miss this when drawing the parts..). The deck and side cutaway profile chainplates/channels are not the same as the main lines plan. Easy enough fix, though, I just had to re do the aft most main channel to incorporate and extra chainplate slot. The rudder appears to have two tillers, the lower one I assume was fitted with the tackle for the wheel, running under the upper deck, and the upper tiller having an auxiliary role
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I thought that, but I still feel this is too early for such carriages, and I suspect later gun brigs changed to sliding carriages as a result of the lessons learned from these 2nd generation vessels. Also, it looks like the second gun port from the front was for the long guns, so they would need to be moved. ETA - Plus the fact that fore deck droops down means that it must have been designed that way specifically for carriage mounted guns, presumably to lessen the recoil.
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The gap along the edges is intentional, as I saw no need to bring the edges of the deck right to the edges of the bulwarks, negating the need for possible sanding.
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I have been progressing with a small/medium kit before plunging into another long term development. All designs/laser cut files are done, including three PE sheets, and now I am working on drawings. Once all drawings are complete, I shall start building the model for the manual, and may do a build log. This is the gun brig Adder, of the Acute Class of 1797. My two main sources state it is a 14 gun brig, 12 x 18 pounder carronades and 2 x 24 pounders in the bow - but they may have been 12 gun brigs, as the only way to get the extra two carronades in position is to fill the stern chaser ports.
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It is a great looking ship, and quite formidable in her time, as the French found out at the Battle of Quiberon Bay (1759). Can't wait to see how much that figurehead will cost me....
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Mid-19th Century has little appeal for me, am more of a 17th and 18th Century aesthetic kind of guy!
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That does look very cool!
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If I 100% had my way, all three of those would be next, plus Phoebe!
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I only mentioned the galleon as I have some prevoius designs for it - but to be honest, not really my thing...
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I think that 6 fishing boats is already enough for my range. If I did more, they would need to be very different and perhaps non UK. I would like to do a kit for under £100 at some point, though. I am wondering if there's be any interest in the colonial merchantman Susan Constant?
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Yes, Royal George was one of the first I chose when compiling my first 'To Do' list back in 2019, and has always been earmarked for the 'Flagship' of the range. But it will be a 2 year development, and I have to consider where and how to compromise so the end kit cost isn't too crazy. Pointless spending years on development and buying expensive materials if the end result is something people cannot afford....
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It is actually an Acute Class gun brig of 1797, and with a deck length of 75 feet, just a few feet shorter than Speedy. The forward part of the deck actually droops down to accomodate the two large 24 pounder chasers.
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My 'Future Projects' Folder, what I would very much like to do for main kits before I die. (not included are smaller subjects) - all 64th Amazon (32 - 1770's) Amphion (32 - Hoste's command) Phoebe (36 - 1790's) Arethusa (38 - 1780's) Imperieuse (38 - Ex Spanish Medea, Cochrane's command after Speedy) Bonne Citoyenne (20 - Influential captured French large flush deck corvette) Royal Oak (70 - 1740's) Centurion (60 - Anson's) Bellona (74) Spartiate (very large 74 captured at the Nile) Foudroyantt (80) Royal George (100 - 1750's) Calendonia (120 - 1800's - if only to see the look on my wife's face when building up the hull on the dining room table...) Restoration warship (1670-1690) Constitution (US) If I live to do even half of that list, I shall be somewhat happy.
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I thought I had better post on this thread, Trial Cutter is now available and in stock: HM Trial Cutter – 1790 – VANGUARD MODELS There will be a couple of days delay in shipping, due to both being very busy (just finishing a couple of large distributor orders) and packing the kits. There will be one more kit release this year (making 4 new releases for 2023), and then a much longer break for the 16th kit, Bristol, which will be released next year, all being well.
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I now have the final piece of the Trial puzzle, which is now complete! The production PE just arrived, so I can now finally add this kit to stock.
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It is called a Wash Cant, and added so that the water didn't hit the underside of the cheeks too much. An optional fitting, but it seems that it was quite standard with commissioned vessels, and I am stone cold sure Indy would have been fitted with them, given her stations/hunting grounds.
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