NenadM

Very nice work with fine, and, I dare to say, brave soldering with soldering points so close

Z-train ? A new hobby sticks it`s face ? Oh, boy, you`ll never stop. And you`ll definitely need bigger house- apartment

And the way to extend your day to min 72h

beautiful ladders!  lot's of progress!  very exciting!

Thanks Marc. I am satisfied with ladders (almost) but not with lockers

Awesome work Nemad. Lockers and ladders look great.

 

Cheers,

Thanks Piet. My attempt to "distribute" mistake didn`t pass well. Height of aft deck is too big to keep proportions at all. So, something in the complete look just has to be sacrificed. My thoughts go in direction to keep horizontal proportion in mutual distances between ladders coops and mast, and obviously, there will be more white space above coops/lockers comparing to photos of Her aft deck ( e.g. famous pictures with Her Majesty on board). But, what to do ? It just must be done on this way.

Hi Nenad

 

I agree with Keelhauled (above). Nice work on the ladders and chicken coops.

 

I like how all your hard work is paying off nicely.

 

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

Thanks Patrick for nice words

I saw on some CS kit models more than over sized particular details (cabins, ladders, etc etc), but I do not like this, and I will continue to try to make in scale and keep proportions as much as I can do close to actual

Nenad,

 

Are you going to build the accommodation ladder that is used on the side of the hull to get down to the ships boats when they are in the water?  

 

accomodation ladder port.jpg

 

 

If I remember correctly you are rigging sails.  Do you know where they stowed the accommodation ladder while underway? Was it on the boat skids, below in the hold...?  I wondered if you had come across a reference to it.

 

thanks

Marc

That is the question Marc !

Accommodation ladder is very very nice detail for model, and I was seriously considering this detail. Unfortunately, you once have to chose - sails or Accommodation ladder. I chose sails. Idea to put them somewhere still stands in my head. But - where ?

I ask myself often - where it stands during sailing? I agree with Jim Lad and Denis. It is very little possible that it stands ON deck beside bulwarks or deck houses. Considering there is place for spare wood for masts or yards ( C-plans) and many other stuff, and sailors had to have clear passing from side to side of deck and whole sheep. Also I do not think that this structure was located under deck during sailing. Look at it`s dimensions and proportions, and to me it not seems as LEGO - it looks as, obviously, a solid, one part issue. It could occupied significant amount of  space under deck which is more necessary for cargo. Also, davits can not reach this space, and I think it can be complicated to use yards as davits to eventually pull out Accommodation ladder from cargo space

So, where ? I think that on the roof between boats is just right place for usual use of boats (or) in harbor.

According to Wiki - CS was at dry dock from 1954. 60 long years, and it is possible that personnel who took care of Her faced with problems as "damn, what to do with this ? We always sleeping stumble by this unnecessary thing!" and in one moment in this 60 year period somebody just decided to remove it. 

Considering to RMG, C-plans were drawn in 1950`s by Campbell & Sons from reproductions and people’s recollections of the now lost original drawings, which mean BEFORE or near a time She was stranded. And  Accommodation ladder appears on plans, with remark that front anchor davits were also used for Accommodation ladder, which indicates that place for it may be also on a roof of fore house ?

But, no mention where it stands during sailing

Interesting is that in Conservation plans made before fire (2004), there is not any single note about Accommodation ladder. I just can not imagine that reconstruction team forgot to consider this element, and believe that probably during reconstruction period after fire, reconstruction stuff and personnel also though on mentioned way (" what to do with this ? Better nothing. Ignore")

Of course, there is always presented question, same with all old and long-living buildings and structures - In which period to return to make replica ?

That are just my thoughts 

It seems you are on a right track, Marc.

Thank you for your nice comment, Denis. As you said, I am looking for something ... A way to divide and spread mistake, with idea to mask it as much as it can be done

So, stairs ... have to look and to be more fragile. This time I used doubled veneer

Ok, so good so far. Let them be colored

Nice

So, let we see them on place

Yes, yes, yes

And to see how it looks with chicken coops ...

No,no,no

Obviously I made coops for GMO turkeys, a big ones

....

Hmm

It seems that I will use first coops I have made

Looking good so far.

Bowsprit connection to fore deck ... be carefull! A lot of small forces from rope lines join there. I think simple qlueing will not be enough

Keep on with good work

Stairs - attempt No 1

Min double, Marc

I have non enough experience, and just I have to feel material how react in this small scale. And there are mistakes, of course

Don't wory, you'll get there.

Btw, nice temperature to cheeck your air-condition. If there is any at the North

Sail Lockers - done

First frames from 1x1 mm strip

Then bars from 0,5 mm thinn veneer

Painted

And on place

Next - stairs

Marc, this is temporary home for piggy, until Bob ask it back . Good value for trade ....

New attempt

Old ones ar at backward

On place under aft deck

Better

And now entertainment ... Front panel with the opening, which has to be thick less than 1mm

No idea how ... I tried something with veneer ... Did not work, too fragile

So, some tests applied with 1x1 mm square moulding

Yes, this is a way. Strong enough to be sanded

Another ?

Oh, yeah!

... The chickens keep piggie company, if he ever comes around again....

Marc, Bob`s runaway piggy was captured and in safe place under fore deck long time ago, until Bob come back and ask for it, when he need it

Chicken will be boring without piggy on deck ...

But ... chicken can be used for a specific way of weathering the deck, as SawdustDave discovered

I have to say something

Rest in peace, dear MSW friend George (GLakie). I"ll miss you and your comments a lot

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13935-rip-george-lakie-glakie/#entry431485

Sad, very sad

I started making Sail Lockers, and I was very happy because I find a way how to make them from veneer, and (I thought) first phase is done

And ...

Devil again mixed his fingers

When I placed lockers on their possition, I realized that my wrong measuring and loss experience hit me in plexus again

Obviously, my aft deck is placed higher above main deck than it has to be, and width of deck is also a bit larger than on C-plans

So ... nice test, nothing more

I had to recalculate lockers dimension and to enlarge them a bit, with idea to try to keep their look and to visualy hide mistake as much it is possible

Hmm

In preparation for Sail Lockers and for Stairs to aft deck

Notes are on Serbian, for me not to forget pair of eyes

Lenght is different drawn in C-plans

Hello Carl

For now, to me was more important in this stage of build, to determine places for masts and their appr. diameter, to make condition for moving forward with main deck issues. Definitive decision will folow when masts come on line. I thought it is easier with less chance for damage to drill now 7mm holes, and to eventualy enlarge them for 1-2 mm later. Anyway, experience in filling fore and aft deck with sensitive parts learned me first to make them all, and to glue them when all is done. So, just before glueing is right time for another testing of mast dia, because it is possible that full main deck gives different feeling and look of masts dia 9mm maybe even 10mm. Particulary when four life boats land to roofs of cabins

Thank you for your interest

Thanks Piet.

1mm ... who cares ... just a half of your Shooner length  

Going forward

While I was detrmining the right places for mast's holes, I faced with wrong bulwark lines, and it was quite horror to place them on longitudinal axe of deck.

But, holes are finaly drilled to 7mm dia

Measuring, I faced with my another mistake I didn't think about earlier. Devil always comes when you do not expect him

Wall under aft deck and stairs

Let's see where it has to be

You can notice that wall is almost under moulding

In my case, deep inside...

So, I had to make and add some kind of "false wall" Reparation starts ...

This is neccessary step before making aft-deck stairs and boxes near them

Big mistake, but adding new wall was pretty easy. Some putty, painting and sanding left, and it will be ok

Wow! Just wow!

 

Nick

I echo this !!!!!

Wow,wow,wow,wow ...

Microsoft never was able to draw a straight line You should use a calculator to get the circumference, not a word processor, Nenad What kind of LEDs did you put into those tubes?

I agree about MS, but I was lazy and impatient to wait for Adobe Illustrator to open, having in mind that those are just test pieces, and there is max 1% of deviation (MS +  not so much precise gluing with self-adhesive tape) is seems not so significant. sure I calculated width of rectangle ( dia x 3,14...). 

Wooden pieces will be fitted to 100% of chosen scale when them comes to line

It is not LED light ... he he ... it is only flash from my phone  and bad photo I made. I forgot to mention - test pieces are made from regular copy-printer 80g paper I use in office

At evening I`ll make some shots of those test masts on Her Majesty. All this is for purpose - locate and drill holes for masts - to determine diameter of holes

...

Evening ...  Ok, not still .. let`s say evening comes ,,

5mm

7mm

8mm

9mm

I think 5mm and 9 mm lost race

Then 7 mm or 8 mm

for now, I have answer to my question - diameter of hole to be drilled in deck - let it be 7mm

Stil a kid inside me -  don`t tell my clients ...  

Entering office, instead to start working on complex interest calculation and financial expert findings, I made testing pieces from card ( Microsoft is quilty - MSWord possibility to draw rectangles in precise dimensions, rest is familiar O = dia x Pi ...)

Game of shades ... also game of colours

I'll try tomorrow new test with white card masts

I know that Carl. That was just a visual test, and I am not quite sure that camera get right impresion I was looking for and what I catched with my eyes

Testing masts depth with three test pieces, width 5mm 7mm and 8,5mm. Just visual tests

Here are reference photos of Her Majesty

And here are testing pieces at the main mast position

Looking at photos, to me it seems that mast base is looking, on some way, heavy and masive, presenting strenght.

Conclusion:

5mm is too thin

7mm is OK

8-8,5 mm is a bit overscale, but it seems that with this dia of 8-8,5mm in base, narrowing to the top, I can get that masive and strenght look

What do you think?

Next try, different approach, playing with elementary mathematics, perspective and percentage

My English is not good enough to explain, so be kind see the photo below

Tonight I am going to make some visual tests with masts of 5, 7 and 9 mm dia from paper

Photos follow

Thank you for inputs gentleman.

It seems that I have to run some detective work, starting with photos I collected

On next picture, comparing with average width of human shoulders, it seems that dia of mast is much more than 50-70 cm, even with perspective deviation having in mind that man is standing over 1m in front of mast, and a bit aside