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It’s another Chris Watson design (he says from decades ago), the Lady Nelson. I started after a 3 year layoff before I knew about Vanguard models. It’s basic, but fun. The finish is Satin water based Poly. -
Your planking looks great, did you bend the planks ...LOL, sorry couldn’t resist. I’m just a CA guy I guess, but like plank bending, to each his own. That’s why this is fun, we can do whatever we want and have a pleasant discussion about it. Don’t be gone long Derek, you may find we’re using your log to discuss the merits of fine scotch 😂
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You have to try this to see how well it works. I still taper the planks based on the measurements, this doesn’t replace that. As we know the bow curves both in and down. You probably, like I used to, achieve this double curve by soaking and twisting. The bent plank looks weird by itself but it lays on to the double curve perfectly. It takes a little practice but once you learn it it’s all you’ll ever do. The “traditional” way leads to warping and swelling, this way leads to perfect fits around the bow and stern. It’s appropriate to use on any model with a bow. Watch Chuck’s videos for more on how. I actually got more from when he’s at a workshop. You can view my gallery photos, I did ok with the old way on all those models, this way is just so much better for me. That said, to each his own way. Whatever makes you happy. Sorry to hijack your log Derek, but here's a photo of my little cutter project underway. I don't think I'd get such a nice even upsweep of the planks using my old method. The Lady Nelson has even less bow curve than Speedy. I started bending and tapering at the first walnut plank below the wales. The counter-intuitive thing is you bend the plank down and as a result it curves up with the double curve of the bow. (Chuck should give me a marketing credit:-)
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Thank you, i kinda enjoy writing them. Don’t tell anyone but I started one on that other site🙃there was so little interaction I sort of abandoned it. I plan to start one here later to add to the Speedy journals.
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My same finding, I thought it was too much, but the bent boards lay in there so nicely on my little cutter project.
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I don’t mean to impose my opinion on anyone else. I hope you enjoy the process.
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I've successfully built a number of models using my own method of planking. I wish I'd discovered Chuck's method sooner, I used it on my current model (my simple little project after a long layoff). I am amazed at the results and just how much you can bend planks. I used the travel iron as Chuck suggested at some point in his videos or tutorials and think it’s by far the best approach. Wetting the wood with just my finger then applying the (steam) iron to the wood bent and held by clamps heated and dried the wood quickly, and as someone has pointed out "presses" the wood in the bargain. I think you''ll enjoy the decision to get the iron - the travel size works best because you really only need the front corner.
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Same ship I did, it does look ok on the Vanguard - just not for me on smaller ships. I'm very happy I didn't do my Pegasus. I'm also happy I didn't count the plates. 🙂 But as I said, really a matter of personal choice.
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First off I don't like the end appearance, my personal preference. Historical accuracy aside the copper draws my attention way too much over the beauty of the model, its lines and all the detail I put into it from furniture to rigging are muffled by the copper hull. It is what you notice first and, again in my opinion, not what I want to see. The white hull just looks so much more like an elegant model sitting on my shelf. I'm not sailing it anywhere, its one aspect of historical accuracy I don't feel I need to have done the job right. However in the case of the Vanguard (I also coppered my Pickle) it was the incredible tediousness of placing one plate after another after another in one line after another after another. I actually stopped for almost a year after coppering the port side before starting starboard. I just lost interest in modeling and did I mention how tedious it is on a large ship. I won't be coppering Speedy, I hope it to join Pegasus and Granado in my study bookshelves, with its white hull. Hope that helps.
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Byrnes Sliding Table -Input Requested
glbarlow replied to glbarlow's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
Thank you for your reply. I understand the repeatable and safety aspect, How does it make cuts the same length? My example is cutting the very short “borders” of a square hatch, say each just 25mm in length and a 45 mitre didn’t cut, hard to do without losing a finger. Does the sliding table help with month the accurate cut and getting 4 perfect 25 mm lengths? I should just buy it, but not sure I’d know how to use it. Great video, very helpful. -
I’m sure having the slots at the bow and a stockier frame with additional bulkheads make my process unnecessary on the Speedy. Chris designed a great model. Sorry I brought it up.
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Post #19 in my Vanguard log is where I described fitting the patterns, it was a far bigger deal than the Speedy. I was more clever back then. Sorry Vane, no more hijacking your log.
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It is good practice and one I follow. Pre-forming on a firm board, rather than the somewhat fragile frame prevents breakage and is far less a struggle. The board, properly prepared provides firm and easy to access clamping points that also allow me to ease the pattern into the right shape. The ply on a gun port pattern is very stiff, and it is ply, too much soaking it will warp as it dries and possibly even delaminate. Scoring is not something I’d do. Using this process actually saves me time, saves me from the struggle of fighting alignment on the boat frame, and provides a smooth unwavering pattern. You can put the patterns on it lots of ways, but this method works and works well. While the Speedy may be easier given it’s shape, I’d not managed to get the patterns on either Pegasus or Vanguard without it. While I’m sure there are many methods, this one has made my building easier. I was just sharing what I do.
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Seems less than that to me since I was "gone" for the past three years. I did note I was mostly unhappy with myself for not keeping an offline copy, a mistake I won't make again.
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Actually after the Vanguard I'm never coppering another ship, with all due respect to historical accuracy 😄
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I used to have a lot more - I did a very long and detailed logs of my Pegasus and Fair American builds that were lost in the big systems crash a few years ago. I was not happy, mostly at myself for not keeping an offline copies. I quit building after the Vanguard and disappeared from the forums for a long while, just starting back up again.
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Not at all, I just posted in the Admin section asking how to do this - it was annoying me and I'm the one doing it. So thanks.
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Sorry, I've got to stop quoting - I'm posting replies several days after the original and MSW puts replies at the end but my adding the quotes is just making your log double long with the repeated photos - my bad.
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My first model is 15 years old now, doesn't show any aging problems with CA, guess I'll check in another 15 to se how its doing. I'm able to wipe off and if not then sand any spillage (as long as its minor) without problem.
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I'm in the CA group for 2nd planking, I just don't have the patience for PVA glue at this stage and don't want pin holes and I can do it fairly neatly. Using Chuck's plank bending with my travel iron gets the right shape without soaking and keeps the planks from warping and thus easy to glue on using CA. But there are as many techniques and choices as there are modelers so... My kit is pear wood (which is a HUGE improvement over walnut), but wishing I had the boxwood option. It will be a shame to copper over that beautiful wood.
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How did you determine the taper width on the stern? Until I saw your complete sequence of planking, from the first one I would have guessed the stern didn't need that much taper, but clearly it did. I'm starting my Speedy soon so enjoying the learning from your build.
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How do we maintain the preformed rabbet slot for the second planking?
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I’ve become a big fan of plank bending. I’m using a travel iron as my heat source, quieter and I think quicker. I even bent planks one way and then reversed it the opposite direction just to see if I could. It worked.
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I’ve had my Byrnes saw a long time, it just makes stuff easier. With that in mind I’m interested in comments regarding the new sliding table. Not being a woodworker beyond my modeling I’m not sure of its purpose. What does it do I can’t already do with the sliding gauge and slide bar? Everything about his saw (and Sander which I also have) is great, how would the addition of the sliding table make stuff more easy?
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You’ll find all across this forum people rave about the Byrnes saw, I like everyone else love mine. I use it all the time along with my Byrnes Sander. I haven’t sprung for the thickness sander yet, but based on the seemingly shortage of quality strip wood it may be next.
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