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Mark is correct. I tore apart my entire stern after realizing the errors as well as the totally incorrect Corel version. Your Billings is still MUCH closer to what it should look like. Count your luck! MIchael- 86 replies
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Hi Mates, Continuing with the foremast cap (platform?) I decided to try to make a ring for the lowest one on the platform. This may seem old school to some of you, but for me it was new thinking J I used Corel’s metal ring as a template. I modeled my attempt, for this cap, from looking at the 1/10th. I also realized that I would need to attach the chainplate deadeyes through the lower ring (four to a side), and not at the base of the platform as was done for the bowsprit cap. That said, it also appears as if there are variations in the cap ring designs when comparing the 1/10th to the 1/1 rebuilt cap rings; again Vasa and its question marks. So those small basswood rings that I curved, would not accept chainplate deadeyes. It would have been a mess. So a larger ring it had to be. I used the Vasa museum plan sheet as a guide for placing the ring braces. The foremast had an issue as well; as I made the mid smaller foremast I then realized after also making the trestles that the mid mast just slipped right through. So back to re-adjust trestle spacing and a bit of sanding and squaring off the tip of the lower foremast (note the pics) all fits ok now. Enjoying this part of the build. Always BIG thanks for dropping by! Regards, Michael
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Hi Vivian, Yes please feel better. Nice to see you back active with MSW. xo MIchael
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Rob, There has been MUCH discussion from several Vasa builders. The overwhelming consensus is that Corel’s is by far the least accurate example. If you care to look back into my log (the first three pages, page 10, page 13, page 15&16, ) you will see glaring examples of errors, most of which I actually returned to fix. Billings is spot on with all of my “fixes” For example; •The stern is totally incorrect, including the windows. •The weather deck (hence the entire profile [including the stern]) is much too narrow. •The gilded figures, especially at the galleries are incorrect and not representative. •The galleries are very difficult to mount in their proper location. •The poop deck entry doors sit much too high on the weather deck. • All deck cannons are just “parts bin” examples, not even a resemblance of accuracy. These examples are just at the top of my head. Fred Hocker, the museum’s curator was wise in choosing the Billings – considered the most accurate of the three kits available. SO your choice was actually an informed choice, though from an expert. Yes I have the Corel. I bought it way before I knew what I was doing, nor did I expect the kit to be so “way off” after I really started learning and being consumed with this build. The Billings example would have allowed a much more “by the instruction book” approach. PS: You will note that some of my photos are missing (also from all build logs) the MSW server crashed and after the return from the dead many builders lost photos, as well as their logs (;-( One the plus side, excluding sail rigging, several non Corel builders appreciate the fairly accurate Corel rigging sheets!! Cheers, MIchael
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Rob, Thanks for your nice words. Please note that for-all-intense-and-purposes I am also a sort of newbie. This is my second build, the first one was back in the 70’s when I was in my twenties (a simple Santa Maria). I followed a lot of great logs here and learned a huge amount. Though I must say that my nautical vocabulary is still really very poor. And I bought, as well learned how to use some great tools!! So in answer to your observation; I don’t know if the “organized chaos” of hanging ropes will make things easier later. I’m new at thinking ahead with rigging. I do know that attaching all of the blocks first is a must, and as I was going along, it occurred to me that with the mast “in hand” it would be easier to also add certain ropes and just coil them for later. There are actually not that many; 2 for the lower yard, then just 4 others. After I secure the cap shrouds and deadeyes it will look much more organized. I hope?. Thanks for following along much appreciated. PS: Your build is coming along very nicely. Billings was a wise choice. Regards, Michael
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Rob, My answer is the same as Mark's...Have no idea about the commercial side of this hobby. PS: I have seen some "brutal" examples on ebay Hmmmm!! Michael
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Mark, Hi -- I will follow along as well. Always loved this ship, but still think of it as still out of reach for my skills. I feel more comfortable in the 16th century ha ha. Good luck, you are off to a good start. Many excellent teachers at MSW for this ship !! You chose an excellent kit. Cheers, Michael
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Mates, Thanks always for the likes and for dropping by; Nigel -- Go for the "full" version. How many times have we all bought something only to then realize that the next step up would have been a better choice. In your case Nigel, you are such a master builder IMO go for the one that you "really" want. Ferit, thanks so much BUT as I have mentioned before when I first joined MSW you were one of my teachers. You taught me about super detailing cannon carriages, rigging, as well as recommending the BEST rigging glue (G-S Hypo) I will always be thankful about this tip. We miss your Berlin updates. Cheers, Michael
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Frank, Nice update. You're almost at home port. Case will add the final great touch. Michael
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Hi Mates, David, thanks so much. It's so nice when we can learn from each other. Almost done with bowsprit masts, just need to finish up shrouds, attach the chains and deadeyes as well as the ratlings. I will remove the six lower deadeye lines, and re install them. I am not satisfied with the knots (too bulky [pic. 8]) then attach them to the bowsprit mast under the cap. Please note that the mast has not been permanently attached. Talk about a mistake that would be !! Now working on foremast platform. As always thanks for your visits. Cheers, Michael
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Rob, Here are a few more source inks. You may already have these available, if not these are of great help. Your project is off to a good start. http://www.modelships.de/Museums_and_replicas/Vasa-Museet-Stockholm/Photos-Vasa-ship.htm http://www.wasadream.com/modeles/Clayton/wasaclaytonenglish.html http://www.wasadream.com/Index/indexenglish.html this last one is of a scratch built example. Photos can be enlarged to offer super close-up details. After researching my build for a couple of years, and along with today's latest info - this builder got almost everything spot-on-right http://www.modelships.de/Vasa_II_Janssen/VASA_II_ship-model.htm Cheers, michael
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Thanks JanV, Well we shall see. This book has been, now, almost two years behind its initial publishing release date. this only adds to the uncertainty of Vasa builders trying to accurately ring this ship. Your comments about the Batavia are well taken. I also have many photos of this "sister" ship. So who knows?? After Vasa II is published I will then have to wait for Vasa II updated publishing corrections (:-). I'm joking - all OK. We are all certainly, to an extent, still enjoying this build. Well, we certainly have SO many photos of the actual 1628 original. Now that has been really great. The only "iffy" parts are the rigging. And apart from the few of us who have become "fanatics" 99.9% won't have a clue if a rigging line is out of place (:-) PS: I have found a solution to the mast platform lower rings for the fore and main masts - I will post some updates. THANKS to all of you who drop by... Cheers, Michael
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Mark, Well this bit is another reason for future Vasa builders should probably avoid Corel's version. Hindsight is always 20/20 (I don't know what the numerical references are for modified ETDRS charts in Europe{6/6.0{?) but you get my drift (:-) Your platforms, as I noted above look great. MIchael
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Ray, Just catching up....Beyond words absolutely beautiful work. Cheers, Michael
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Nigel, Geez such words, especially coming from a superlative builder as yourself - sooo many thanks! George and Buck thank you so much as well. Thanks for being much appreciated followers of this build log. Thanks as well for all visitors and "like" clicks. Mark, Thanks for your very kind words, as well as your notations. I was so “motivated” to try the mast wrappings that I overlooked the latest rigging research for this conundrum of a ship. I relied on the 1981 Vasa Museum plan sheet, Billings and Corel’s as well. After reading your post, and I know that you continuously thoroughly research the latest “crumbs” of new information for the Vasa, I will remove those wraps. So indeed thanks ! The 1/1 and the 1/10th only wrap the main. Well at least now I know how to do it. I really appreciate your advice. PS: Yo Mr. Hocker (if you happen to be reading this) where is Vasa II ???? Cheers, Michael
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Hi mates, Still with the foremast, added a light Oak stain, then installed the pulleys. Started the mast rope wraps using the technique in last photo. Also starting the foremast top. I had some issues with the bowsprit platform installation (my bad-still learning) this one will be easier. When I get it together I will post some pics as well as what I did wrong with the bowsprit top. Still have not figured out how to properly scale the platform rings. The lower ring should be wider and flatter. Frank has a great tool for making those rings, but I don’t want to buy more tools (;-) So small visual update, thanks for dropping by. PS: Mast wrapping technique I learned here, of course...
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Mark, How did you make the rings for the platforms? I have not figured that out with propers scaling. I wet and then bend basswood, but its still not right because I can't bend rings that have any upper surface without creasing the bits. So I just use out of scale small strips. Your rings look great. PS: I don't want to buy more tools (:-) Frank (fmodajr) has a great tool for that, but if there is an alternative?? Nice work, Michael
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Ulises, Nice update. As was stated your planking looks great especially at the bow Nicely detailed work. Michael
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Nigel, Ferit, and Frank thanks for your kind remarks, as well for the "likes". As I have said before I have learned so much from looking at and reading the wonderful build logs here at MSW. Still learning but getting better (:-) Regards, Michael
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Hi Mates, Started preliminary work on the foremast. Will return to bowsprit (do need to finish that up). Needed a break from absorbing three diff. rigging plans trying to decide where to correctly place blocks. PS: note one of the pics; mast was too short needed and extending “wooden leg” Thanks so much for dropping by comments and likes, as well as your continued interest. PS: Brian THANKS for your help regarding order of pics (;-) Cheers, Michael
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Lawrence, Thanks for your nice comments. Always appreciated. George was asking about that vice as well, I'm sure that you saw the link just a few posts above. Yes very handy indeed. Michael
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Mark, Nice work. We are at about the same place. Yes the instructions for these bits are mostly MIA. BTW your figure painting details, and painted trim details are so beautiful. Such a pleasure to look at. PS: I was just going to start the foremast as well, maybe I will wait and let you do all the research first (:-) PS2: I believe that the kit billings platforms are much more accurate than those ridiculous ones that came with the Corel. Do you intend to hand build the platforms, or use the kit provided ones? In any case your build is gorgeous. Cheers, MIchael
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Frank, Absolutely beautiful work with your rigging and sails. You certainly set the Bar very high (:-) Michael
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Brian, Thanks so much for that info. I'll pay more attention next time. Though I'm a Mac guy, that may have something to do with it. I see the pics loading in order, then when I post sometimes they load as they did just above. I'll make sure that I'm following your steps Michael
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