Glenn-UK

Thanks for all the kind comments, it is greatly appreciated.

An Enforced Break - Planning Ahead

I am in the unfortunate position of taking an enforced break from the Indy as I have suffered a relapse of prolapsed disk in my lower back last week. I first suffered the prolapsed disk around 20 years ago when I bent over an desk to look at an engineering drawing. This time it was due to over extending myself whilst in the garden trimming a large hedge, bending over as I was sweeping up the debris. The back is now starting to respond to the rest so hopefully I can return to the shipyard in the next few days for short periods of time.

The time away from the Indy build means I am spending more time thinking of my next course of action with regards to the gundeck planking and spirketting which is to be added to the bottom of the inner bulwark patterns. I have the option of either fitting the laser etched deck pearwood part or to plank with the 4mmW box wood planks.

I could take the easy approach which is to fit the laser etched deck followed by the spirketting. If I take this course of action the first task would be to paint the inner bulwarks (except where the spirketting would be located). Once the inner bulwarks had been painted the laser etched gundeck pattern would be fitted followed by the spirketting. The spirketting would also need to be painted. I have already made a cardboard template of the bow area which I can use to check and trim the laser etched deck part as necessary should I opt to fit this part.

Alternatively I could start by adding the spirketting. The laser etched gundeck would then be added after the bulwarks and spirketting have been painted. The task would be completed by adding a waterway using some rounded 2mm square timber.

Another option I have been considering, after adding the spirketting to the inner bulwarks, is to use the boxwood timber to plank the gundeck, using a 3 or 4 butt shift pattern. I would have to look at adding a margin plank to the edge next to the spirketting. Once the planking is complete I would then add a waterway with some 2mm rounded material. This option would be much more challenging as I would need to bend the margin planks laterally for the bow area. I am also going to laterally bend a plank to see if I can get the required amount of bend.

Given the bow area is more or less hidden by the forecastle deck I could probably get away without adding a laterally bent margin plank and to simply butt the plank edge to the spirketting. The other challenging aspect with this approach would be to include the cannon locating slots. I would need to assembly one cannon to ensure the locating slots are correctly sized. Of course I could simple plank over the slots and to remove the tabs from the cannons. The cannon could be glued in place with a flat edge added to the bottom of the wheels.

9 minutes ago, Kevin said:

ty, i am following how you plan yr 2nd planking

which ever you choose, it will turn out very nice, hope you are not in to much pain

Thanks. I just need to be careful at the moment and try to avoid moving too fast or twisting which hopefully will settle the prolapse to recovery quickly.

Your Indy is really looking nice. I'm currently taking an enforced break from my Indy due to a reoccurance of a prolapse in my lower back (a slipped disc). I liked your boxwood planked gundeck so  I am pondering weather to follow suit or to fit the laser etched part.

I was not very happy with the how the stern/quarter galleries (v1) were looking. This was due to a build error on my part and I could not see a way to correct. Therefore I decided to buy a 2nd kit and start again (v2) and I was pleased with the end result.

Wales – Completed

Blue Ensign did suggest that I should consider using a top and butt interlocking planking arrangement below the first wale. This would require 2 pairs of strakes to implement the interlocking pattern, 4 planks in total per side.

I calculated that it would be necessary to taper the planks down to 10mm overall for a good fit around the stern area. After careful consideration I decided it would not be practical to implement the top and butt interlocking planking arrangement as I would have to taper the 4 planks down to the required 10mm. I therefore decided to add 3 x 5mm planks as per the build manual requirements. I used a simple 3 butt shift arrangement when adding the wales. Each wale full plank was 192mmL which equates to 12m planks when scaled up to full size.

After giving the completed wales a light sand, I brushed the excess sawdust away with a damp brush before taking the attached photo’s.

27 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said:

The hull looks good Glenn, well done 👍

Are you not tempted to add top and butt planking below the Black strake for the wales.

 

B.E.

Many thanks Maurice

I am not sure what you mean by the top and butt planking. According to the build instructions I still have to add 3 x 5mm planks below the top 4mmW wale (which is the one I have added.). I suspect you are referring to the patterned wale planking which I have just found on one of your build logs. Click on link

40 minutes ago, Kevin said:

looking very good, sorry about the other project

I am pleased with the Indy now the second planking is complete. The Royal Yacht was a nice distraction but certainly not suitable for me.

Wales – Work In Progress

Over the last few days, I have been working on a birthday gift from my wife, which was Amati’s Royal Yacht (in a bottle). I managed to construct and shape the hull and to then paint and fit the deck and bulwarks. The problem came when I started to fit the deck items. I really struggled to located and secure the parts. After failing to fit the fore bitts and windlass assembly I decided to abandon this project as I do not have the requisite tools or eyesight (even with my magnifying glasses) as the ship is too small for me.

It was a nice gift to receive, and I am glad I tried to build it but unfortunately, in my opinion, it is a very poor-quality kit and very badly presented instructions.

You can see the difference in size in the photo below.

I have given the Indy hull good sand and it does look and feel reasonably smooth. I have also sanded the gun port openings. I am still debating if I should just add a varnish finish or if I should paint and copper the hull. I have started to add the wales. The first wale is a length of 4mmW boxwood. I was able to use Titebond and clamps when adding the top wale. I suspect I will have to revert to CA clue for the remaining 3 x 5mm wale planks.

Despite my best efforts this kit is way to small for me to complete. I managed to shape the hull and to then paint and fit the deck and bulwarks. The problem came when I started to fitted the deck items. I really struggled to located and secure the parts as required. After failing to fit the fore bitts and windlass assembly I decided to abandon this project as I do not have the requisite tools or eyesight (even with my magnifying glasses).

It was a nice gift to receive and I am glad I tried to build it but unfortunately, in my opinion, it was a very poor quality kit.

great work

I thought I would make a start on this build. The hull construction is very different to any of my other previous builds. As can be seen in the picture below the hull is made up of 5 differently shaped sheets which are glued together in a staggered manner.

The picture shown in the build instructions is drawn at a scale of 1:1. After a taken a measurement the required stagger is 1mm. I added a strip of 1mm tape to help me align the parts.

I continued with the checking the stagger, using tape to help with the alignment as the remaining parts were glued in place.

The next task is to sand the hull to get the required curved shape. The kit has provided a series of templates to aid this shaping process.

The quarter gallery comprises 4 parts which are stacked on top of each other. According to the build manual the 4 parts are different sizes but in reality the parts were all the small size.

hjh

As a birthday present I received the Amati kit for the Golden Yacht (in a bottle) which was a total surprise. The box states this will be a Museum quality wooden model. I will be very surprised if I can build any wooden model to be suitable for display in a museum.

Once I have completed sanding the Indy hull I will take a short break to have a look at start building this kit, which will become a side project. Having opened the box the parts all look very small.

Having been spoilt for high quality pictures and instructions with the various Vanguard Model kits I have built the Amati instructions seem a little bit threadbare in comparison.

Just now, James H said:

I hope you'll try your hand at this one.

I will probably buy this kit as a side project at some point later in the year. I was given the Royal Yacht in bottle kit as a gift today which will be also be a side project.

Looks a great addition to the Vanguard range

5 minutes ago, Thukydides said:

The run of the planks looks good so I think if you fill in a few of the gaps with sawdust as BE suggested and then sand it down so it is level it will look great.

Many thanks

6 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said:

I think you will get an acceptable  finish  Glenn, well done.

For those minor gaps in the strakes, run a bead of pva along the gap, sprinkle Boxwood dust over it, smear with your finger, and sand. Repeat as required.

 

B.E.

Many thanks your comments and sound advice Maurice. I have a long weekend away in the Lake District so I will be making plenty of sawdust filler on my return early next week.

10 minutes ago, Esap said:

Its definitely your build and your decision, but I think the natural finish sounds great. You have mentioned a few times how it is a big improvement against prior builds, and that is worth proudly showing if you ask me. Good luck with the sanding!

Many thanks for your comments and advice.

Second Planking – Right-Hand Side Second Planking Completed

The work on completing the second planking on the right-hand side is now complete. This completed planking represents a big improvement on my skills in this area and I am very pleased with how much ability to plank has developed with this build, especially with the use of lateral plank bending. The correct tapering of the bow and stern planks meant I did not have to add any stealers. My hull fairing skills, particularly around the transom, still requires much more work however.

I opted to use boxwood for the second planking with the idea that I could leave the completed planking in their natural state with a nice, varnished finish. On reflection this was perhaps bit optimistic on my part as my completed planking is not as clean and neat I was would have liked.

Once I have inspected the completed hull, I will fill in some of the small gaps, either with filler or thin slivers of off-cuts and then I will give the hull a good sand. Once that is done, I will be better placed to make a final decision on weather to paint and copper or to simply varnish the boxwood.

 I have attached a few photos of the completed planking.

Second Planking – Right-Hand Side Second Planking Progress

The work on completing the second planking on the right hand side is progressing well. I only have 5 strakes left to fit. I have used a butt shift pattern and this has made fitting the planks so much easier. As with the left and side I fitted 192mmL planks, noting 96mmL and 64th scale planks would be more representative of the actual ships 6m planks.

Around the bow area I have used the lateral bend method to ensure I have a good fit, and I now fully understand why Chuck's method works so well.

After completing the planking under the transom, I started to taper the stern planks which require a double taper. From the midships they are tapered down to 4mm at the narrowest point. From there a reverse taper is applied up to 4.5mm where the plank sits against the stern post. By keeping the faith the tapering (at bow and stern), and regularly checking the taper points, no stealers will be required.

The planks, in the attached photo’s, look a bit messy, but once the planking is complete and they have been sanded smooth it will look much better.

Second Planking – Right-Hand Side Second Planking Started

I have started the second planking on the right-hand side. I have completed the section down to where the main wale will be fitted. I still need to clear all the gun ports. I will be using a butt shift pattern for fitting the remaining planks down to the keel. I will also be adding the lateral bend for planks fitted around the bow area. I will taper the stern planks once I have planks under the transom. If all goes to plan,a s with the right-hand side, there should be no need to fit any steelers.

33 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said:

Well done Glenn, that will clean up very nicely.

 

B.E.

Thank you.

52 minutes ago, glbarlow said:

Very precise, well planned and thought out, very well done Glenn! Proof positive that a good planking job doesn’t require stealers and how pre-bending and good planning pay off. As far as the troublesome plank, sometimes a shim behind the plank can help correct a low spot. Or if you have the wood cut a thicker plank.

 

At any rate, you should be justly proud of taking on the challenge of a butt shift pattern and making it work this well!

I have now added a filler bit (Yellow circle) which sorted out the troublesome plank. I also added a smaller filler shim (blue arrow).

17 minutes ago, allanyed said:

Nicely done Glenn

For the future, there are a lot of contemporary planking expansion plans on the RMG Collections site, both inboard and outboard that you may find helpful as well.  One example is https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-83495

Allan

Thank you

15 minutes ago, Kevin said:

that looks fantastic

 

Thank you Kevin