mtaylor Posted October 25, 2015 Share #451 Posted October 25, 2015 Keep going, Jay. Looking great. It does sometimes seem like two steps forward and one back, doesn't it? Jack12477, GLakie, CaptainSteve and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share #452 Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Keep going, Jay. Looking great. It does sometimes seem like two steps forward and one back, doesn't it? Ok Mark, the whole project is getting more complicated, but I am trying to stay on top of it. There are lots more things I have on the shelf (such as two more decks and all their details) and they have to go somewhere. The biggest problem with my approach is that the alignment of each deck is very important and the stairs will prove that. The more I glance at the front thus far, the more I tend to think of a large cut along the starboard side. There will be some outside planking towards the top so I can incorporate the channels (both sides); however I still want to have a look below. I think, that as I take one step at a time, and not rush, the details of each deck will come around. LEDs in the store-room??? What store-room??? More walls to create and install on the orlop deck . . . Edited October 26, 2015 by Modeler12 mtaylor, Canute, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 26, 2015 Share #453 Posted October 26, 2015 I'm smiling..as I feel that way to. With every step completed, it reveals two more complications. The joys of scratchbulding, right? CaptainSteve, Modeler12, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share #454 Posted October 26, 2015 I'm smiling..as I feel that way to. With every step completed, it reveals two more complications. The joys of scratchbulding, right? Right, Mark. Here is another picture for those who might be considering making a cross section mid-ship versus aft or forward. Obviously mid ship is much easier since the hull is almost straight and there is no need to taper the planks. The contours of the hull make a major difference in what is happening with the planking, frames, etc. And they all have to be in line (fore and and aft as well as sideways) mtaylor, avsjerome2003, Bobstrake and 5 others 8 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share #455 Posted October 26, 2015 The orlop deck has two special store rooms. They had different purposes (sail room, boatsun stores, etc). I don't know what is in them at the present time, but here are the walls as I see them. When installed, there will be an LED inside and with the door partly open there should be light coming through the opening. I may have to do some sealing near the top of the walls so light does not leak through the rough slots (needed to clear the berth deck beams. I don't want to make shelves because they will not be visible, but there will be some trim along the corners on the outside. Notice the 'carpenter's walk'; the narrow passage between the hull and the side wall. It was intended for the carpenter to make his routine inspections of the hull. There would also be shelves here but not on this model. I am still debating about the shelves and cabinets in the storage area forward of this room. The little alcove you see with the hole in the center is not a Chinese toilet, it is one of the two entrances to the gun powder room below. dgbot, mtaylor, GuntherMT and 7 others 10 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share #456 Posted October 29, 2015 Nothing new to post except a couple notes to myself. I decided to try casting some epoxy resin inside the 'swimming pool'. I always like to experiment before committing to the big thing. I kwow about release agents and happen to have a can of some old spray stuff. A piece of clear glass (coated) would do the trick. I made a small wooden frame, mixed some resin and placed it on the release coated glass. All worked great, the resin filled the square mold and it looked nice. But then something stupid happened (stupid on my part). The wooden frame simply floated to the top of the resin and . . . . . At least I know that sealing the edges is important.For the real 'swimming pool', I coated glass, sealed the edges with tape coated that with wax, and clamped the glass to the front. Then I poured . . . . It takes at least 24 hours before I can find out what happened. Meanwhile I am doing other things like making a lumber rack, mounting barrels (to be held in place by rope) and the cabinets towards the bow. Canute, lambsbk, GLakie and 4 others 7 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambsbk Posted October 29, 2015 Share #457 Posted October 29, 2015 That is one tough ship to handle that kind of horizontal clamp stress. Can't wait to see the result. mtaylor, GLakie, Bobstrake and 1 other 4 Quote Dave U.S.S. Constitution 1:96 Revell build with fiber optic lighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share #458 Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Might be a resin available that is intended to represent water, seem to have read something about such material somewhere. You are doing good work on this project. jud Jud and Dave, here is the result of using a casting resin to represent the water. I had no idea how much to pour in because the front was covered with glass and a large clamp to seal off the edges. I toyed with the idea of adding another layer, but I am afraid that might end up a disaster. Less than half a tank is better than no water at all. Notice the 'lead oxide' in the bottom . What will come much later is a 2 inch lead pipe going down from the hand pump on the berth deck. It just happened to be right in the front of this model, so I am going to give that a whirl. The two lines holding the barrels will be tied off on two cleats mounted on the center post (not yet installed). I am still working on the storage racks. Edited October 29, 2015 by Modeler12 Mahuna, Canute, GLakie and 9 others 12 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share #459 Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) There are two more things to add to the orlop deck at this point. The cabinets and shelves towards the bow and the stairway going up to the hold deck (short) and berth deck. The latter is still in the works (obviously), but the cabinet is ready to be installed. This turned out to be a very complicated piece because of the curvatures along the back side. I am not really happy with it, but it will be almost hidden in the storage area forward and along the port side. I will install another LED along the beam far right top. Edited November 2, 2015 by Modeler12 avsjerome2003, Canute, dgbot and 4 others 7 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share #460 Posted November 2, 2015 Making the stairs is tricky also. My first attempt was to install each tread one by one using a 'gauge' with the 30 degree angle I wanted. I quickly gave up on this approach and decided to make a fixture that would allow me to install all treads in one step. I took a piece of birch cut to a thickness just short of the tread width and milled slots at 30 degrees as shown below. I might add that I had to use a bit of trigonometry to calculate the indexing of the mill, but it turned out ok. The cutter is actually a 1mm drill bit, so I had to make several passes with small bites. The last picture above shows the first stair with the solid panel backing as it is right now on the Connie in Boston. However, this piece is not yet finished. In fact I need to redo this with treads that are cut to length better then this first try. Since then I made a new miter box to cut pieces to the same length. I need to make four more stairs; one with backing and three as an open stairway. GuntherMT, Canute, CaptainSteve and 6 others 9 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 2, 2015 Share #461 Posted November 2, 2015 Great use of your mill Jay. Got a question. Within the next couple months or so I plan to get Proxxon's MF70 Micro-Mill, and I've been on the hunt for a tilt-table, like the one you're using there for those stair-treads. So far, I haven't had any luck finding one small enough to adapt to their compound-table, and I'm wondering if you might have any ideas on where to look. I'd like to avoid having to "home-make" one. Cheers mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share #462 Posted November 3, 2015 Great use of your mill Jay. Got a question. Within the next couple months or so I plan to get Proxxon's MF70 Micro-Mill, and I've been on the hunt for a tilt-table, like the one you're using there for those stair-treads. So far, I haven't had any luck finding one small enough to adapt to their compound-table, and I'm wondering if you might have any ideas on where to look. I'd like to avoid having to "home-make" one. Cheers George, the only one that I know of is from Sherline. The problem is that they don't use the metric thread system and you would have to drill a couple holes to adapt to other mills that use the metric dimensions. Is that tilting table really too large for the Proxxon mill? mtaylor, GLakie and Canute 3 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 3, 2015 Share #463 Posted November 3, 2015 Well, I actually don't know for sure, but the total weight of the Proxxon is only 15 lbs., so I would imagine since the Sherline is a full-size mill, their tilt-table would be pretty big. I guess I'll see about making one after I get the mill and divider for it. Thanks Jay! mtaylor, Jack12477, dgbot and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share #464 Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) Well, I actually don't know for sure, but the total weight of the Proxxon is only 15 lbs., so I would imagine since the Sherline is a full-size mill, their tilt-table would be pretty big. I guess I'll see about making one after I get the mill and divider for it. Thanks Jay! The idea of the tilting table is pretty simple, and making one yourself would not be that difficult. If you want some more pictures of the one I have, let me know or go to the Sherline web site to see more details. Go for it George. Edited November 3, 2015 by Modeler12 GLakie and Canute 2 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 3, 2015 Share #465 Posted November 3, 2015 Thanks Jay. I was just on their site and what I might do is just get theirs and make whatever mods to the base-plate I need to get it to mount to my compound table. Looks small enough to fit and for $115, it should be doable without too much headache. CaptainSteve, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted November 3, 2015 Share #466 Posted November 3, 2015 George, shop around. You could save a little. Been looking at these myself. Minicasting andDiscount Campus are around $105 US and the Mikes Tooling about $110. http://www.minicastings.com/acatalog/SHL-3750.html http://www.discountcampus.com/store/sherlineacc.htm#mill http://www.mikestools.com/3750-Sherline-Tilting-Angle-Table.aspx mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 3, 2015 Share #467 Posted November 3, 2015 Thanks Ken. Got 'em bookmarked. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #468 Posted November 4, 2015 I am finally getting to where I can install and glue the berth deck in place. The cabinets and shelves in the storage area are glued down (and I even cut and fitted the clamps for the gun and spar decks). The stairs from the berth deck down to the orlop (and the short one back up to the hold deck) are fitted and ready to be glued in place. All of this will be more visible when some of the frames are cut away. GLakie, Jack12477, bhermann and 6 others 9 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwboland Posted November 4, 2015 Share #469 Posted November 4, 2015 Coming along nicely. Can't wait to see the next progression, not to mention the final product mtaylor, Modeler12, GLakie and 2 others 5 Quote Carl Completed builds: AL Bluenose II 1:75 Gallery Amati Hannah SIB 1:300 Gallery Current Build: Bluenose II - SIB - unknown scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share #470 Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) The final product is a long ways away. But thank you for your interest, Carl. The next step is to make more of those round posts on the berth deck. They help to support the heavy gun deck above. I counted about 16 for my cross section alone (and that does not include four thinner ones at the corners of the hatches). The ladder you see goes up to the gun deck and will be included. I also want to make that small wooden enclosure or cabin for one of the officers and lots more hammocks. Edited November 5, 2015 by Modeler12 GLakie, dgbot, Jack12477 and 3 others 6 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share #471 Posted November 5, 2015 The posts and the ensign cabin are made and ready to be installed. I need to locate and drill holes for the elongated posts and also modify the C-knees (as I call them) to fit against the bulwark. This will be done after the gun deck is fitted in place, so I can measure the height I need and cut the posts to length. I might mention that to glue the thin strips against the cabin walls I used some lead shot in a jar (or box). They are small but heavy. CaptainSteve, lambsbk, GLakie and 2 others 5 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share #472 Posted November 6, 2015 Looking aft There will be a forest of posts (three more down the center to be made and two along the front). Again, I don't want to cut them to length and glue them in place until I know how high. I juggled and carved the C-knees to fit the bulwark above the beams. It turned out that towards the bow there are fewer than I expected.I also show the ensign cabin with the door on this side. Although private, this must have been cramped quarters. What will make a difference is when I make and install the other knees: 1. the standard knees that stand vertical against the bulwark but don't go all the way to the deck. 2. the hanging knees that go diagonally from the bulwark to the deck beam above. 3. the lodging knees that go horizontally between the beams and against the bulwark (some of these I have installed on the orlop deck). The diagram above is an older version with the water tanks too small. But it does show where the various knees go on the berth deck to support the heavy guns above. I think the berth deck will be mundane but lots of hammocks should help. CaptainSteve, GLakie and Canute 3 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 6, 2015 Share #473 Posted November 6, 2015 Looking good Jay. And getting busier in there too. CaptainSteve, Modeler12 and Canute 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share #474 Posted November 6, 2015 I should have added the following picture to explain the knees. This must have been mid-ship and gave me the idea that every beam was supported by one of those C-knees. So I made a dozen or more. Does anyone need some extra knees? CaptainSteve, mtaylor, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted November 6, 2015 Share #475 Posted November 6, 2015 I guess you could ask your local orthopaedic surgeon ... (Okay ... I'll leave quietly) GLakie, Jack12477, capnharv2 and 2 others 5 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share #476 Posted November 6, 2015 I guess you could ask your local orthopaedic surgeon ... (Okay ... I'll leave quietly) Steve. I wonder how many body parts a ship can have. Canute, Jack12477, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted November 6, 2015 Share #477 Posted November 6, 2015 Steve. I wonder how many body parts a ship can have. Interesting question, Jay. Knees, (dead)eyes, heads, waist, arms (ie: cannons) .... Any others ?? mtaylor, Canute, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted November 6, 2015 Share #478 Posted November 6, 2015 belly, bowels mtaylor, Modeler12, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted November 6, 2015 Share #479 Posted November 6, 2015 Shoulder, knuckle, foot, ... GLakie, Modeler12, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote - Tom - Current Build: Vanguard Speedy Completed: Vanguard Duchess of Kingston, Stove Project, Ships Wheel Project, NRG Capstan Project, Billings Half Moon, Dumas Chris Craft 1938 27' Triple Cockpit Barrel Back, Panart Santa Lucia , Model Shipways Constitution , MS Bounty Launch , HMS Beagle Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share #480 Posted November 6, 2015 Waist and then there are 'related parts' like heel, hand, palm. At least they are naval related. For an interesting reference see the nautical dictionary http://www.alquiler-directo.com/boat-hire/nautical-dictionary-h.php Canute, dgbot, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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