CaptainSteve Posted June 21, 2015 Share #151 Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Fantastic work, Jay (as always) !! Those rivets look great. I might have to put in an order to use them for the bulwark rivet detail. Edited June 21, 2015 by CaptainSteve GLakie and Canute 2 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share #152 Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Fantastic work, Jay (as always) !! Those rivets look great. I might have to put in an order to use them for the bulwark rivet detail. Be sure you have the time to do that. It is slow and easy. Could be done at work on a slow day, but in the long run it is worth the time (at least in my opinion). Moving along with the cross section decks and my question of the day: Will it work? I took the gun deck and berth deck and joined them. Below you can see that they should (dry fit with a bit of double backed tape to hold the C-knees on the berth deck). The first picture should confuse any one, but continue with the rest and you will see how there is lots more to be added. Edited June 21, 2015 by Modeler12 Canute, Jason, Elmer Cornish and 9 others 12 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 21, 2015 Share #153 Posted June 21, 2015 It very much looks like it will work, Jay. That is one sweet bit of joinery... CaptainSteve, Canute, Modeler12 and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted June 21, 2015 Share #154 Posted June 21, 2015 What Mark said Jay! The joinery looks great! Canute, Modeler12 and CaptainSteve 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share #155 Posted June 21, 2015 Thank you fellows. This is turning into a fun project. I was a bit curious how those heavy riding bits would line up on the two decks, but it looks like all is well in that department. It also gave me some ideas about the walls on the berth deck for the brig and sick-bay in the forward area. I have to admit that the doors for that may come from precast parts I received with the new rivets. It means painting which I don't like. Now I can take it all apart and continue with the planking of the gun deck. However, I also have to make the platform for the oven and fit that between the aft bits. So, lots of work to be done. But the admiral just informed me that it is father's day and I should relax, go out for lunch, etc. robin b, CaptainSteve, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted June 21, 2015 Share #156 Posted June 21, 2015 Jay, your work is excellent. Inspiring for this tyro. GLakie and Modeler12 2 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share #157 Posted June 22, 2015 As long as I was looking at the area where the stove will go, I decided to make the platform on which the stove fits. The hearth is surrounded by a low wall covered with copper sheeting. So here is what mine will look like after the decking is all in place. Until then it is all loosey-goosey. It is a case where I will build a stove around a fire (instead of the other way around). qwerty2008, GLakie, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 22, 2015 Share #158 Posted June 22, 2015 Interesting picture, the bottom one. Looks like the fire is already in place and waiting for the stove. Or it's a smallish thermonuclear weapon going off.. Canute, GLakie and CaptainSteve 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share #159 Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) Interesting picture, the bottom one. Looks like the fire is already in place and waiting for the stove. Or it's a smallish thermonuclear weapon going off.. Not to worry, Mark. In order for that little guy to go nuclear a lot more would have to be in place. And I am not only talking about logistics, politics, bureaucracy, and not to mention lack of 'control' by those who are supposed to have that ???? Please, don't get me started with this, but let me just mention that a 'fire in the hole' has nothing to do with this either. Nothing will happen, OK? I may get electrocuted, burned, BUT i will survive the LEDs experiment. Wish me luck, I guess. Just to add a footnote: I am not aware of any nuclear device as small as what you see sitting on my desk. But stranger things have happened!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited June 22, 2015 by Modeler12 Elmer Cornish, Canute, CaptainSteve and 3 others 6 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 22, 2015 Share #160 Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) OH... that's an LED!!! I'll stand down. I believe it's past beer o'clock... I hope you know I was just giving you a hard time..... I was, though, wondering how you got that light there and thought it was a reflection. Edited June 22, 2015 by mtaylor GLakie, Modeler12, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share #161 Posted June 23, 2015 OK, Mark. While work continues on the gun deck planking (laying, nailing, sanding, etc.), I was curious how coal on top of the fire would look like. I have a long way to go with the stove, but I think some coal would diffuse the bright red. I found a piece of black lava, crushed it and will use that later inside. hexnut, Canute, cwboland and 7 others 10 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share #162 Posted June 24, 2015 I am not going to show any more pictures of my attempts to make the stove, other than the following. It is my first try to make the drip tray (a bit wide, but that can be corrected).The length is about 0.60 inches, compared with the wire at 0.016 inch. There are a couple beautiful stoves made and published here on MSW. Both were made with brass and copper, but I am not very good with metals at this scale to do the bending, cutting, brazing, etc. So, perhaps the stove could be made out of the same material shown in the picture below; but time will tell CaptainSteve, GLakie, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share #163 Posted June 24, 2015 Well, let me retract that comment above. Here is a sneak preview. It is a dry fit with lots of trimming and finish work ahead. Before all is done and the little cube is painted black, I thought you might have a peek. Yet to come are the stove pipe with chamber on top of the triangular piece, the drip tray and then lots of corner details, spit rods, etc. gjdale, mtaylor, GLakie and 4 others 7 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted June 25, 2015 Share #164 Posted June 25, 2015 Sure hope that stove is ready by the time Thanksgiving rolls around ... Canute, mtaylor and GLakie 3 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share #165 Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Sure hope that stove is ready by the time Thanksgiving rolls around ... I'll finish the stove, Steve. You find a turkey small enough to cook on it. But the stove will not have that rotating contraption that will not work. Edited June 25, 2015 by Modeler12 Canute, CaptainSteve and GLakie 3 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share #166 Posted June 25, 2015 More work to be done, but I did not want to wait with painting the inside black. I might not get to it with spits and grills in front. Of course, give me a paint brush and I won't quit, so the outside got its first coat (which I will rub and probably do again). I still have to make the lids for the boiling pots and lots of other goodies in front. Thanks George for the pictures of the Connie. I had seen most of them but not the one showing the back side of the stove. I am sure this was a very busy area with the kitchen crew feeding a couple hundred sailors. I think I might add some barrels and crates here. BTW this little cube is about 1/2 inch and the little trim strips are styrene 0.010 x 0.020 inch. mtaylor, trippwj, usedtosail and 4 others 7 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted June 25, 2015 Share #167 Posted June 25, 2015 Looking awesome! I love the coals with the fire! GLakie 1 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambsbk Posted June 25, 2015 Share #168 Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) The coals really are very cool. In regards to a tray, I used a brass square tube and shaped it into a rectangle then solderd it. I placed a shaped peice of brass sheet and soldered it to the top of that and then blackened them. The sheet is very thin and blackening can and almost did destroy it. Once rinsed and dried I sealed it with flat clear enamel. Then lastly I applied the copper sheeting on the edges with copper tape followed by another coat of clear spray. The result is on page 11 and 13 of my build. (http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/444-uss-constitution-by-lambsbk-%E2%80%93-revell-%E2%80%93-plastic-%E2%80%93-196-with-fiber-optics/page-11) Edited June 25, 2015 by lambsbk Modeler12, GLakie and mtaylor 3 Quote Dave U.S.S. Constitution 1:96 Revell build with fiber optic lighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share #169 Posted June 25, 2015 Looking awesome! I love the coals with the fire! Thanks. The stove (as I call it ) will be fitted around the coals shortly. But my first attempt to make pots and pans failed badly and I may have to short change that. My fingers are just not steady any more. But perhaps the red glow and coals will help. CaptainSteve, trippwj, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share #170 Posted June 25, 2015 The coals really are very cool. In regards to a tray, I used a brass square tube and shaped it into a rectangle then solderd it. I placed a shaped peice of brass sheet and soldered it to the top of that and then blackened them. The sheet is very thin and blackening can and almost did destroy it. Once rinsed and dried I sealed it with flat clear enamel. Then lastly I applied the copper sheeting on the edges with copper tape followed by another coat of clear spray. The result is on page 11 and 13 of my build. (http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/444-uss-constitution-by-lambsbk-%E2%80%93-revell-%E2%80%93-plastic-%E2%80%93-196-with-fiber-optics/page-11) That looks good, indeed, Dave. My first attempt to make the drip tray was ok, but the wrong size. I noticed yours has rounded corners and that looks good also. I might try that. Thus far I like working with styrene. I have done some silver soldering of brass and copper (and blackened that), but for this stove I have more options using the styrene sheets and shapes. They come in a wide variety and if I had to start the oven again I might look into using styrene angle pieces for the corners. mtaylor, CaptainSteve, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share #171 Posted June 25, 2015 It's a good thing that I tried this because it would have been difficult to install the LED and coal with the front blocked with spits etc. Now my plan is to assemble the stove and base with coal as one unit before I go any further. Fam, aykutansin, Elmer Cornish and 11 others 14 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fam Posted June 25, 2015 Share #172 Posted June 25, 2015 Wow, that's fantastic!! Modeler12, CaptainSteve and GLakie 3 Quote Joint building: Brick de 24, 1/48, jointly with Jack Aubrey (POB from Ancre plans) Works in progress: USS Constitution Cross Section, 1:93 (POF bashed from Mamoli kit) Completed models: Santìsima Trinidad, 1/90 (POB heavily modified DeAgostini kit) Genoan Pinco, 1/50 (POB bashed from Euromodel plans - my current avatar) Viking Knarr, 1/72 (POF from Dusek kit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 25, 2015 Share #173 Posted June 25, 2015 Sweet... when's dinner? Salt beef or salt pork today? The stove is looking seriously good. Canute, GLakie, Modeler12 and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted June 25, 2015 Share #174 Posted June 25, 2015 What Mark said Jay! Looks pretty life-like! Modeler12 and CaptainSteve 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share #175 Posted June 25, 2015 Thank you guys. It is amazing what those little lights can do. Now I am curious about other places and am thinking some nano LEDs in places such as the sail room (orlop deck) and couple lanterns on the berth deck. Then I have to tie them all together and have them come through the keel. GLakie, CaptainSteve, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted June 25, 2015 Share #176 Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) I can only echo what the others are saying, Jay. Your stove looks excellent. Just be sure you don't burn your fingers working on the rest of it. (I'm still working on those tiny turkeys) Edited June 27, 2015 by CaptainSteve Canute, mtaylor, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share #177 Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Steve, I don't need no tiny turkeys no longer. I am going to barbeque some pork ribs tonight and will be using a grill (not a rotiserie; by now I am so tired of that word that I forgot how to spell it). To be honest, I am surprised about all the nice comments and thumb-ups I have been getting. The admiral will have something to say about that when we devour another rib or two. Right now it is back to making piles of coal. Edited June 26, 2015 by Modeler12 Canute, mtaylor, gjdale and 3 others 6 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted June 26, 2015 Share #178 Posted June 26, 2015 Jay, that is by far the best lighting effect that I've ever seen in a ship model. Incredible!!!. It looks amazing - very life like. Hard to believe it isn't photo shop! Keep it up! Marc Modeler12, mtaylor, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler12 Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share #179 Posted June 26, 2015 Marc, that is by far the nicest comment I have received yet (well, it ranks pretty high). I am having fun, and that counts. Adding LEDs has been in my book for a few years and this time I decided to go for it. I must agree that the stove and coals make it look a lot better than a light hidden behind a wall.But I may still resort to that later on in other areas. Right now I am still pondering the question about making some pots and pans to scale with my clumsy fingers. I'll come up with something, I hope!!???!!! Oh, here are a couple more additions to the stove. I know, it is a lot less impressive without the light and the exhaust pipe needs some straightening. Those are things I don't see unless I take pictures. Elmer Cornish, Canute, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote Jay Current build Cross Section USS Constitution http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10120-cross-section-forward-area-of-the-uss-constitution/ Finished USS Constitution: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/103-uss-constitution-by-modeler12/ 'A picture is worth a . . . . .' More is better . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwboland Posted June 26, 2015 Share #180 Posted June 26, 2015 Great job on the stove Jay. I would suggest trying to use a mini lathe to turn some pots out of either brass or wood, if you have access to one. It wouldn't take much to add a handle to some of the smaller pots afterwards. Modeler12, keelhauled, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Carl Completed builds: AL Bluenose II 1:75 Gallery Amati Hannah SIB 1:300 Gallery Current Build: Bluenose II - SIB - unknown scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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