src Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share #301 Posted May 20, 2014 Thanks for all the likes its always appreciated. Russ, yea that really makes a difference even at this scale. Especially the pins. I am very mildly concerned with the cross piece, its dadoed and pinned and seems very secure but its such a small glue area and right on the edge. When i did my joinery I went in just a bit over 1/32" about 0.0335" instead of .3125" to give myself a good shoulder and then went 1/64" on the bit just to hide any discrepancies in my cuts. Never having rigged anything before I dont know how much stress will be placed on this part. It appears that the rigging that terminate here are for the Stay Sail and the Fore Jigger. I dont know the terminology of the line yet but it appears to be a line that will control how much wind or how full the sail is allowed to be. Clew line?? I guess its time to really start reading Masting and Rigging. I am probably worrying unnecessarily. Me?? Never! Ok off to work. Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted May 20, 2014 Share #302 Posted May 20, 2014 Sam:My theory is to give it as much strength as you can. Better safe than sorry. If it is glued and pinned, it should be okay. (famous last words) Russ src 1 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share #303 Posted May 20, 2014 Russ, I agree. Also if I am REALLY concerned about it I can put brass pins in and hide them with rope or even not put those sails on. I wasnt planing on rigging all the sails anyway. Also since they do not appear to carry a lot of weight, it probably wont even matter. Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 20, 2014 Share #304 Posted May 20, 2014 Sweet bitts, Sam. As for the ladders... good practice for when you step over to the darkside. src 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share #305 Posted May 21, 2014 Woo Hoo! McMaster-Carr delivered my new #4-40 taps today. I was able to finish a plug cutter for my trucks. I started with some short lengths of 3/8" pencil rod, mostly because we have a bunch of scraps at the shop. Also I figured a heavier body might be less likely to burn the edges on my trucks. Not having a metal lathe or a mill I had to adapt and improvise a way to make these. I chucked the blanks in my fastest hand held drill motor and spun them against a running belt sander. First 80 then 120 grit then I hand filed to the best finish I could get. I then went to my wood lathe and chucked the blank up there. Using a jacobs chuck I through drilled the pilot hole for the axel, then stepped up several times to get my finished bore size. I then drilled my set screw hole, here is where I ran into trouble; I broke my bottoming tap, inside the hole and couldnt get it out so I had to make a new blank. I then broke the pilot hole bit in the new blank, inside the hole again!!!!! Fortunately I had made a couple of blanks (I am learning....) so was able to get one complete today. I have started a new set of blanks for back up. I thought I would get fancy and clamped a file into the drill vise and tried to turn the outer diameter down so I dont waste so much wood, it works but looks kind of crude. Naturally once I finished tapping my setscrew hole I had to try things out. I grabbed a length of lumber and cut two truck, all told it cuts amazingly clean, especially considering how I have gone about making these. I am pretty pleased with the results so far. I need to come up with a way to clean up the edges, I am thinking a mandril of some sorts and throw them on the lathe at the slowest speed and use a file. We will see. My first plug cutter, kind of rough but it works! A blank for two more. The first cuts. Pretty clean all things considered. Even the backs arent too bad Compared to the drawings Mounted to a carriage. These are both rear trucks. Hopefully the weekend I can get the tooling for fronts made. as well as a method to clean everything up. Sam Shazmira, HIPEXEC, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share #306 Posted May 21, 2014 Mark, you posted while I was typing, thank you!! ARRGH! you said it, DARK SIDE....... Now the Gremlin is dancing about going "See? See?? why mess around with kits?" Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted May 21, 2014 Share #307 Posted May 21, 2014 Those trucks came out very well. Great work. Russ src 1 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted May 21, 2014 Share #308 Posted May 21, 2014 Very nice Sam !!!!!!! A little sanding on the wheels, paint and it looks if they are for real ! Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted May 21, 2014 Share #309 Posted May 21, 2014 Wow, Sam! Your carriages are going to look awesome! src 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted May 22, 2014 Author Share #310 Posted May 22, 2014 Robbyn, Sjors, THank You! Much appreciated. Now I just have to find time to work again. I start an assignment next week that will take up msot of the next two weeks and I need most of the weekend to prep I think. Good to see you back Robbyn, we have missed you. Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Posted May 24, 2014 Share #311 Posted May 24, 2014 Those carriages really do look fantastic! But thank you for the photos showing the steps as I just love seeing the creation of pieces from raw materials and how it is done! I also hope that the next time you get a "relaxing break time" there is more "relaxing" than "breaking" though haha src 1 Quote Completed Build: Bregante Il Leudo Merchant Launch - Mamoli - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share #312 Posted May 24, 2014 Thank you for the kind words and taking some of your precious little time back to visit all of us Bindy! We have missed you. A new avatar, you never told us your a model! As far as "how its done" I cant speak for others, but that's how I did it. Most likely there is an easier way. My mind typically finds the more difficult path from A to B. I am please with the results so far though. Hmm 'Break Time," after today thats going to be non-existent for the next week or two. Build wise not much to show. I have drilled the holes for the belay pins in the cross piece and started on my new scratch built ladders; Constructo......? Since I do not have decent lighting in my garage any power tool use is done during the day, so today I am finishing the last cutter for the trucks, I might even get them all cut out. I dont plan on talking any "breaks" till I finish the machine work, so I shouldnt break any more bits or taps................Who am I kidding??? Sam mtaylor and Bindy 2 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 25, 2014 Share #313 Posted May 25, 2014 Sam, If you find the secret to not breaking bits and taps, you'll make a fortune. Bindy and src 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted May 25, 2014 Share #314 Posted May 25, 2014 Can't wait to see the ladders. Love the comment about your mind finding the most difficult path from A to B. Sounds familiar. src and mtaylor 2 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted June 2, 2014 Share #315 Posted June 2, 2014 Looking forward to see your ladders. Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 2, 2014 Share #316 Posted June 2, 2014 Sam, Those carriages are looking goooooood. Since you've got the hang of it ... make me 10 src 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted June 2, 2014 Share #317 Posted June 2, 2014 I can use about 36 myself Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share #318 Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) LOL! Thanks for the compliments. As far as supplying to others, I will direct everybody to a post several pages back where I reminded Robbyn about a mantle for my parents fireplace I started in High School..........My dad got tired of the wait and passed on, mom gave up and bought her own and my brother installed it. That was one of the first things he pointed out to my better half when she (me?) committed the grave tactical error of meeting the family. Rich, finishing up a job this week, hopefully I can get back to work over the weekend, might have a couple of assembly pictures for you if you are still noodling about how to assemble yours. Carl! Its been a long time, does this mean your building again? I will have to drop in and see. Augie, see my above disclaimer on manufacturing. Brian no need to apologize, we all build to our level of satisfaction. Master Builder??? Thank you very much, but I feel I have quit a ways to go before I deserve that title. Thanks all for the likes and comments, hope to be back to building in the next few days. Sam Edited June 3, 2014 by src Bindy 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted June 3, 2014 Share #319 Posted June 3, 2014 It should be about time that you are back at the shipyard...... src 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 3, 2014 Share #320 Posted June 3, 2014 Not jet Sam. I'll give you a buzz when Dolphyn has resurfaced from below newspapers, folders, and ... mainly DUST. However, I've first some major catching up to do. Love your stamina! src 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share #321 Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Carl, we will be here when your ready. Great to hear from you again. Sjors, I cant agree with you more. Sam Edited June 4, 2014 by src Sjors 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share #322 Posted June 7, 2014 Woo Hoo! Assignment is done and now back to building. I discovered the other day my rear trucks are 0.020" oversized. Insert appropriately colorful Longshoreman vocabulary here. I almost said I will live with it but they are very close to the same size as the front trucks. I didnt want to make all new parts since I am getting low on Manzonia but didnt feel I would be able to cut them down cleanly by hand. What to do. What to do. Back to the wood lathe and make a new cutting tool........ I used the back side of the front cutter and now all I need to do is reverse the tool. With 1:51 being such on odd scale I most likely will never use this tool again but its there if I need it. I might work for 1:48. Then I needed a way to hold the truck firmly and centered to the tool. A couple of weeks ago I tried to make an arbor to spin the truck and cut a small chamfer on the edges. That failed when I discovered the #2 screws were the same size as the axels. I salvaged that and turned my trucks down. Some broke, more have an imprint os the hex head, but many of them are usable. I may still have to cut some new parts, but I wont have to replace all of them. Sorry for the blown out back grounds on some of the pictures, I was shooting against a concrete driveway and was too lazy to set up a backdrop for this. Making a new cutting tool The finished tool An arbor to hold the over sized trucks In use The result. Based on the drawings here at MSW, the new and improved trucks are 0.005" undersized, I can live with that. Now to figure out a jig to make the bolts that hold the trucks together. Not sure if I can pull this one off since I dont have an indexing head. I have lots of scrap trucks to play with though. Thats it for now, Sam mtaylor, Bindy, popeye the sailor and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 7, 2014 Share #323 Posted June 7, 2014 Sam: The trucks look good. The rear trucks are always a little smaller than the forward trucks. Good work. Russ src 1 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 7, 2014 Share #324 Posted June 7, 2014 Love it Sam! Your toolbox has extended too ... if not the use of it! Looking gooooood Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lory Posted June 7, 2014 Share #325 Posted June 7, 2014 My gawd! I am just getting into this and have to remember that you guys were once newbies... it borders on intimidating. I will stick with it, I can do it... one day. For now, I am busy learning how to sand. Wax on, wax off... mtaylor, Bindy and src 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share #326 Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Thanks everybody! Its always appreciated. Lory, thanks for dropping in. Yes we are/were all newbies. I still consider myself a newbie - this is my first build although its been 5 years in the building, lots of start and stop in my world. Absolutely stick with it! you mentioned sanding, do you have a build log up? Russ, do you happen to know if the smaller wheels were simply to give additional elevation, or does it somehow help control recoil? I can see where the smaller wheels might place more weight in the rear causing the recoil to want to go through the deck instead of straight back. Carl, I have had the lathe for a while now, its been at work. I brought it home a few months ago both to force the company to stop asking me to loan it to others and also to do my masts and spars. As you can see I havent got to those yet. I keep finding other mini projects to extend my build time. I think I might be able to set a world record for prolonging a build. Sam Edited June 8, 2014 by src cog 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted June 8, 2014 Share #327 Posted June 8, 2014 Sam: I have read that the larger trucks on the front of the carriage helped compensate for the deck camber. Russ augie, mtaylor and src 3 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich.F Posted June 8, 2014 Share #328 Posted June 8, 2014 Very Nice work as always Sam.. src 1 Quote Rich. Builds in Progress: HMS Victory Completed Builds: Constucto Enterprise Future Builds 2021/2022 USS Constitution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 8, 2014 Share #329 Posted June 8, 2014 Sam, Isn't it natural to prolong the building time with 'sub projects' when confronted with (scarry) items like masts. rigging ... I suppose taht currently I seem to be carrying that record src 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share #330 Posted June 9, 2014 Carl, the masts dont bother me although maybe they should since I have never done one before. Actually the carriages are a bit of a chore, 14 repetitions. I don know that I will ever build anything much bigger than 20 guns, I dont do well with repetition. Which is why I spent so much time figuring out how to mass produce things like trucks, trying to make 60 round disks about .25" in diameter would have caused a subdural meltdown! The better half is going away for a few days this week leaving me alone with the animals and my build, there just might be some real progress by this time next Sunday. silly woman - good thing there is a dishwasher here......... Sam mtaylor, augie and cog 3 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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