captainbob Posted October 16, 2015 #1 Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) In studying the rigging on a boat (US 1908 build) I have coming up, I got confused by a label of 12" SCORE pointing at a block. Most of the blocks are labeled 8"D, 12"D or 8"S which I understand as 8 inch double, 12 inch . . . but I have never heard of a SCORE type block. Any help? Bob Edited October 16, 2015 by Cap'n'Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
Blue Ensign Posted October 16, 2015 #2 Posted October 16, 2015 As far as I know the 'score' is the name given to the groove cut into the shell of a wooden block to hold the strop in place. That doesn't obviously apply in the case of the blocks on the drawing. Are they correct I wonder? B.E. Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
druxey Posted October 16, 2015 #3 Posted October 16, 2015 The blocks illustrated appear to be internal iron-stropped ones. Blue Ensign and Canute 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
mtaylor Posted October 16, 2015 #4 Posted October 16, 2015 Bob, Here's the best explained definition I could find.. But I'm not sure if that's what the drawing means... http://ezinearticles.com/?Rigging-Blocks-for-Model-Ships&id=7684885 Canute 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Richard Griffith Posted October 17, 2015 #5 Posted October 17, 2015 Hi Bob, Druxey, BE and Mark, I think Mark found the right definition of 'score'. However the plans show internal iron stropped blocks, so they do not need scoring for stropping ropes. Bob, are you building a fishing schooner or a warship? Who drafted the plans? What is the name of your ship? Answers may help us find the answer to your question. Duff Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote
Blue Ensign Posted October 17, 2015 #6 Posted October 17, 2015 I suppose the date 1908 should give us clue, and druxey looks have got the answer. Trouble is I'm stuck firmly in the Eighteenth Century, and hadn't come across internal iron stropped blocks, such things hadn't been invented B.E. mtaylor, druxey and Canute 3 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
JerseyCity Frankie Posted October 17, 2015 #7 Posted October 17, 2015 I find the drawing confusing, what are we looking at? At first I thought the diagonal spar pointing to the upper right to the drawing was a Gaff. But looking at the mast on the left of the drawing I see what appear to be a Spring Stay on the Left and Headsails indicated on stays to the right. So what is our spar doing there on the right, forward of the Mast? Is it some sort of derrick? Quote Quote Niagara USS Constitution
captainbob Posted October 17, 2015 Author #8 Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) Here is the complete elevation of this military boat. There are three booms mounted on the front mast, all from the same point. Edited October 17, 2015 by Cap'n'Bob druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
shiloh Posted October 17, 2015 #9 Posted October 17, 2015 What is she? Maybe buoy tender with outboard booms to lift out or place buoys in the water, rigged so the load could be swung over to the center boom to pick up or place the load on deck? Looking forward to studying the rigging you end up with. jud Quote
popeye2sea Posted October 18, 2015 #10 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) That ship is the indicator loop cable layer USCG Pequot (ex army minelayer General Samuel M. Mills). Built in 1909 and transferred to the Coast Guard in 1922. She was transferred to the Navy and stationed in Boston during WW II. She was decommissioned in Boston in 1946 and sold for scrap in 1947. Indicator loop cables were laid on the ocean floor to detect submarines. Regards, Henry Edited October 18, 2015 by popeye2sea trippwj, JerseyCity Frankie, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci
captainbob Posted October 19, 2015 Author #11 Posted October 19, 2015 That is absolutely correct, now what is a score block? Bob mtaylor 1 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
popeye2sea Posted October 19, 2015 #12 Posted October 19, 2015 I can't find any reference to a score block. Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci
pompey2 Posted October 23, 2015 #13 Posted October 23, 2015 One possibility, extending the 'S' and 'D' codes you might get - S Core. ie metal block with a single core??? Quote Current build USF Confederacy Previous log - HMS Victory
captainbob Posted October 23, 2015 Author #14 Posted October 23, 2015 I don't understand what 'S' and 'D' codes means but S Core seems to make sence. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
captainbob Posted October 30, 2015 Author #15 Posted October 30, 2015 Thanks for all the help. Now it's time to build. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
shiloh Posted October 30, 2015 #16 Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) pompey2's, S and D, from the riging plan, seems to fit with that drawing, "S" = single sheave, "D" = two sheaves (Double). Have fun with your build. jud Edited October 30, 2015 by shiloh Quote
captainbob Posted October 30, 2015 Author #17 Posted October 30, 2015 Thanks Jud. Bob shiloh 1 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
wthilgen Posted October 30, 2015 #18 Posted October 30, 2015 Maybe nothing to do with it exactly, but a score is also used in place of the number twenty. And back in the days of old, was used often in that manner. Quote Current Build: La Nina, Latina - Wood / 1:65 On The Shelf: San Francisco II, Latina - Wood 1/90, U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:96 (Remake), H.M.S. Bounty, Latina - Wood / 1:48, H.M.S. /Mayflower, Latina - Wood / 1:64, La Pinta, Latina, Latina - Wood / 1:65, La Santa Maria, Latina - Wood / 1:65, Completed: San Francisco / Cross Section, Latina - Wood / 1:50, Coastal Submarine, Revell - Plastic / 1:144, Cutty Sark Wall Plaque, Revell - Plastic / 1:50, H.M.S. Victory, Revell - Plastic / 1:146, H.M.S. Bounty, Constructo - Wood / 1:50, Oseberg, Billings Boats - Wood / 1:25, Clipper Ship (Sea Witch), Unknown - Wood / 1:46, U.S.S. Constitution, Revell - Plastic / 1:96, Man Of War, Scientific - Wood / 1:50, Robert E. Lee, Scientific - Wood / 1:45, PT-109, Revell - Plastic / 1:72, U.S.S. Enterprise, Revell - Plastic / 1:720, R.M.S. Titanic, Revell - Plastic / 1:720, Numerous other wooded tall ships and boats from companies named: Ideal, Dumas, Pyro.
Jim Lad Posted October 30, 2015 #19 Posted October 30, 2015 Bob, I've never heard of a 'score block'. There is no reference to such a block in Paasch's 'Illustrated Marine Encyclopaedia' (1890), Admiralty Manual Of Seamanship Volume I’ (1915) or Wilson-Barker's 'Elementary Seamanship' (1896). As Druxey suggested, I think I'd simply go with internally stropped blocks. John mtaylor 1 Quote
captainbob Posted October 31, 2015 Author #20 Posted October 31, 2015 Thanks John, glad you're back, your input has been missed. Bob mtaylor 1 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
Captain Poison Posted October 31, 2015 #21 Posted October 31, 2015 This is a score block, maybe the author did not know how to name this type of block which is similar with two holes? captainbob, KevinR and mtaylor 3 Quote Completed.... Charles W. Morgan,Sea Horse,USS Constitution,Virginia 1819,San Fransisco II, AL HMS Bounty 1:48 L'Herminione 1:96 Spanish Frigate,22 cannons 18th C. 1:35 scale.Scratch-built (Hull only) Cutter Cheefull 1806 1:48 (with modifications) Current Project: Orca (This is a 35" replica of the Orca boat from the movie Jaws)
captainbob Posted October 31, 2015 Author #22 Posted October 31, 2015 Very good. Now all I have to do is figure out how to strop it. Bob mtaylor and KevinR 2 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
amateur Posted October 31, 2015 #23 Posted October 31, 2015 Stropping a building block ....? Jan mtaylor 1 Quote
grsjax Posted October 31, 2015 #24 Posted October 31, 2015 Could be a misprint. Score might supposed to be sheave or maybe it is an obscure way to indicate the size of the opening in the block for the sheave. Just a WAG. Quote My advice and comments are always worth what you paid for them.
twintrow Posted October 31, 2015 #25 Posted October 31, 2015 Cap'n Poison....That sure looks like a cement block......!The drawing from the plans looks like a 12" double block (2 12" score) and a 12" triple block (3 12" score) and below those a single 10" block ( 1 10" score).Now what is meant by "score".......I've Googled the phrase...nothing, searched all my rigging books,,,,nothing. Underhill's Masting and Rigging...nothing, Admiral Smyth's "Sailors Word Book", nothing.Cap'n Bob maybe try and contact company that put out the plans. They may know. Tom mtaylor and captainbob 2 Quote
Decoyman Posted November 1, 2015 #26 Posted November 1, 2015 The SCORE blocks are the ones carrying the main lifting load of the derrick, so will need to be strong. Maybe the reference is for the material: steel cored perhaps? Standard blocks are wooden and therefore not labelled specifically. I also note that the SCORE blocks are drawn much bigger on the drawing than the others, even if the indicated size is the same. Rob Quote Chaloupe Armée en Guerre Caldercraft Agamemnon
captainbob Posted November 3, 2015 Author #27 Posted November 3, 2015 I contacted those who put the drawings on the web and this was their response. "I did a bit of digging as I never noticed that "Score"notation in the rigging before and like you was curious. Attached is what Icame up with. It appears a "score" on a wooden rope block is a notch or notcheschiseled into the outside of the block to strap it into place. So I guess whenthe naval architect was drawing up the ship rigging they called those single anddouble sheave blocks "Score Blocks" to detail on the drawings that the pulley tobe used should have the "scores" chiseled in. The rest of the notation is thediameter of the sheave or pulley inside the block and the number of sheaves -single, double, triple, etc." Having been a designer I don't know why he would have specified the type of stopping on those particular blocks, but . . . Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
Jim Lad Posted November 3, 2015 #28 Posted November 3, 2015 OK, so it really just means a wooden block with an external steel strop, but as you say, Bob, why on earth specify it? John Quote
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