Hr. Ms. O 19 1938 by Piet - FINISHED - scale 1:50 - submarine of the Royal Navy Netherlands in service 1939 - 1945

[Jim Lad]

Crikey, mate, that makes a difference!

 

John

[Sjors]

Very, very nice Piet !

My house has to painted.....  

 

[texxn5]

Proost my friend! I hope you're joining me....I found some Leffe! So I'm toasting a job well done....

[popeye the sailor]

I should have posted and pointed out that I 'liked'  the updates of your build.    there's nothing funny at all about computer woes......that's what a sledgehammer is for

 

sweet looking paint job there piet.......even if it's just the primer.......it'll be cool to see her in color.

Edited October 30, 2013 by popeye the sailor

[Piet]

Holy Toledo - - - so many responses and likes, thank you all for your very kind words, this means a lot to me 

 

Even my dear wife, the Admiral, was impressed by how she looks.  Needles to say, I am also well pleased in how she turned out.  I couldn't really see how the seams and "plate" joints would look before the primer coat.  The Admiral compared the model with all the pics I have taped near the dock and she can see that it's very close to the real thing.

 

I guess it's time to get my Paasche airbrush setup hooked up again and start painting color, but don't rush me        - - - -- because I also found out that, and that according to a body plan detail of one of the bow frames, that there is an additional anchor tucked inside the deck structure.  Sooooooo, I'm thinking -  - - - - to add that little hummer to the model.  It's supposed to be visible from the outside but I have not seen it on any of the actual photos of the boat during it's construction and launch, even on later pics.  It's also possible that it has a door to close-off that anchor.  I need to do some more research to make sure it had a side launch anchor before I start cutting a slot in the deck side.  If there is a door then I can just carve the outlines in the "side plates."  I'll also check with my mentor Gino den Ridder if he is aware of this side anchor.

Oh what a tangled web we weave   

 

Got a call from the computer fixit shop that my trusty iMac was ready for pickup.  I had them install a 1 Tbite hard drive in it, so I should have plenty of space for ship pictures         So the Admiral and I drove down to DBA to pick it up and then it was lunch time and proceeded to the Olive Garden for lunch.  After that we went to Hobby Lobby to see if they had Styrene but no, so I'll go mail order.

 

I started out this morning by measuring out the location of all the "stuff" that goes in and on the deck.  Air vents, excess hatches, torpedo loading hatches, bollards etc. etc. and of course the conning tower  That'll be a project all by itself.  I also found that I have to make a drastic change to that small part of the deck above the deck torpedoes.  Hindsight again, the deck drawings show it a little different then I had done, so I need to alter that area, which is no problem.  There will be plenty of removable hatches between the loading tracks so we can see the spare torpedoes as well as the inside of the deck launcher.  That means of course that I have to make a bunch of torpedoes   

I'll spend some time browsing through the photos I have to get some more details.

 

I'll respond to all who posted comments to my primer picture post in the following post,

 

Cheers to all,

[Piet]

Okay, let's start with

 

@ John (texxxn5), Thanks John and yes, I did hoist a nice cold Belgian Palm beer for the occasion.  I'm glad you found some good Belgian ale, "proost" as they say in Holland.

 

@ Remco, thank you my friend and I almost twisted my arm by patting myself on the back      Yes, I am well pleased with the results.  BTW, the Java drawings and brass tubes arrived to day      Awesome!  Will follow up with a PM from the iMac.

 

@ John (Lad), yup, it certainly is hiding that ugly tan and smudged look.  I wish all y'all could see it in real "life."

 

@ Sjors, hey, you pay for the plane tickets and I'll come on over in a flash.  Just have a bed and grub available and I'll paint your whole house           BTW, your BIG ship model looks awesome!

 

@ Anthony, thank you for the kudos and I did indeed imbibe in a nice Belgian beer, Palm.  Nice and mellow.

 

@ Popeye, what can I say, I know you are following my build and so am I following yours. - - - - -You are so right about computer woes not being funny. It's ironic how much we depend on these infernal machines in this day and age.  The sledge hammer treatment works only on trucks and trains, on airplanes we use smaller hammers           The old adage of "paint hides a lot of sin" does not apply in this case, it actually enhanced the look but hides that ugly tan and discolored smudges.

 

Thanks to Yvesvidal, dvm27, Boris, Flying-Dutchman-2, Andy and Banyan for your like votes, much appreciated.

 

Cheers to all   

[harvey1847]

Congratulations Piet!

 

Best thing about the primer coat is that reveals all that little dots or errors on the hull. Yours looks fantastic and so smooth. Have you thought again about simulate the rivets? and another one, Are you going to "age" her or is it going to be a neat and clean model? like the picture you put in your first posts.

 

Best wishes!

 

 

Daniel.

[amateur]

That is a beautiful result!

Can't wait to see her in full colour

 

Jan

[texxn5]

Hmm, guess I'll look for some Palm next time I go to the store....when's the red going on??? Also, did you decide what to do about the mine stowage? I know you were talking about perhaps an open tube showing a mine inside?

[texxn5]

Yes, I remember you showing me these pictures and your debate of whether to add the mines or not...I just wasn't sure what you decided.  I do understand the concept of "when is enough....enough?"  Just an interesting thought, but yes, much more work.  Sure does look nice, and I'm anxious to see paint also as I am sure you are too.  Keep it up......

[Jim Lad]

Crikey, Piet, she sure carried a lot of gear on deck!

 

John

[realworkingsailor]

 

  Can you also see what a task it is to simulate rivets on my model and why I'm shying away from it?

 

Cheers, 

 

Would these help: http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88091.html

 

They go on just like decals, but on the primer. You then paint over them. There are other patterns you can choose from as well. http://www.archertransfers.com/SurfaceDetailsMain.html

 

Andy

[Piet]

Thanks everyone for visiting and clicking "like," it's much appreciated!

 

@ John (texxn5), yeah, I remember discussing it (the mines) some when you and Di stopped by.  Actually it's not permanently shelved though       I'll leave it on the shelf as a possible future project even after it's all painted.  I can work very carefully around it and touch up any area that may gets scratched.

 

@ John (Lad), yes indeed, they had a lot of stuff below decks.  Just because these subs had external torpedo tubes, also located below decks, they needed a system to load them as well as carrying spares.  The area below decks, which is actually an area between the top of the pressure hull and the top of the deck, is a wasted area so they utilized it as much as possible.

 

@ Andy, wow, yes, that's a possibility!  Thanks for the links, it also reminded me of having read about these decals some time ago in another build.  They are rather costly and for the amount of rivets I'll be spending a fortune on it.  I'll have to see how how many sheets I would need if I go that route. Very tempting !!!!

 

Cheers,

[Piet]

Today I started with the bow torpedo loading tube.  I cut a hole in the forward deck for the hinged hatches and ground a space out for the brass tube and added some more wood behind it for better support.  I also pre-cut the holes for the escape and entry tubes in the fore deck.

 

Then I proceeded to the aft deck and cut the rectangular hole for the stern torpedo loading tube but have not made any further provisions to secure the tube.  The stern escape / entry tube is located and marked on the deck but have not cut the hole for it, yet.  The edges are just inside the side deck plates and that concerns me a little, however, according to the drawings and photos that's about right.  

 

As noted on one of my previous posts, I have to rework the deck area above the side launch torpedoes.  This brings a lot more work but it's according to the deck layout drawing and I should have paid more attention to it before doing it my way (sorry Frank Sinatra   )  Oh, I really don't mind it though, I learned a few things in the meantime.  With all those hinged hatches between the "tracks" I'll most likely only make the ones above the side launch torpedo launcher.  The rest will be indicated as I'll do with some other hatches on the deck.

 

Okay, that's about it for today and I took a few shots of what was done.

 

This is a shot from the future conning tower of the forward deck area.  I have annotated the particular items of interest.  I have just stuck a piece of 10 mm brass tube in it's semi prepped location and it still needs to be cut to the right size. Then it needs the hinges soldered to it and a lid must be made also with hinges.  I also need to add small planks of wood for the hatch hinges.  There are two pairs and these will fold outboard. 

 

This is another view of the forward deck with annotations.  I have just laid the "rails" loosely on the deck to where they are to go.

 

This is where we are today on the rear deck.  I have to make a block to support the brass loading tube which will then be glued to the top of the pressure hull.  Here too, I'll have to glue in a few strips of wood under the deck for the hatch hinges.

 

I just drew the outline of the future side mounted anchor.  I'll make that one when I receive the soft copper Paul so graciously is sending to me.  This'll be a fun little model.

 

Couldn't resist making a close-up of the stern area to show how nice it turned out. In looking at the pic I see that I still need to clean up a few things, still a few "fuzzies."

 

Cheers, 

[texxn5]

Looks great, thanks for the pictures....

[Jim Lad]

Piet,

 

We all end up with a few 'fuzzies' before the final coat.  Looking great!

 

John

[Remcohe]

Nice close ups. All the details really come out well after the coat of primer, the metal sheets look is particularly realistic. 

 

 

 

 

@ Andy, wow, yes, that's a possibility!  Thanks for the links, it also reminded me of having read about these decals some time ago in another build.  

 

 

Maybe here   thanks for reminding Andy, don't we all hope to see some rivets 

 

Remco

[Adrieke]

wow Piet looking amazing

[Piet]

Hello everyone and thanks for dropping in.

 

@ John (texxn5), glad you appreciate the pics, it's something different from Sjors' cotton cannon balls, muskets and pikes         Still thinking about making one to show 

 

@ John (Lad), thanks your kind words and yes, we need to use the magnifier and clean them fuzzies up before the finish coat.

 

@ Remco, thans for leading me to Paul's suggestion, that's where I read it.  Me "stomkop" so forgetful     Yes, it would certainly be a great addition but I can see a bill of over one hundred smakkers for rivets     and on a smallish Government pension we must be careful with expenditures, unfortunately.  Thinking how to arrange it, print some money??  Heck, the Federal Reserve does it - - - oh no - - - now the NSA will be at my door 

 

@ Adriaan, thank you my friend and so does you GF, good progress.

 

Cheers, 

[mtaylor]

Piet,

This is just amazing work.  I'm sitting here with my mouth open going "wow" as read and catch up on what you've done. 

 

BTW, no need to take a sledgehammer to a computer to get them to fall into line.  Just do what I do:  threaten to turn them into boat anchors.  Seems to work very well.       However, the sledgehammer is much more satisfying. 

[Piet]

Thanks everyone for your "like" votes. it's much appreciated.

 

@ Mark, thank you very much for your encouraging words, I'm glad you approve my progress.  

Well yes, perhaps smashing the confuser to smithereens may feel good but that doesn't fix it.  This reminds me though that when I was the director of QC and Engineering for an airline.  The electric typewriter of my secretary really gave her a lot of trouble to the point that she couldn't keep up with the work.  So, I told the CEO that if I didn't get a new one right now it was going to have an accident.  I had it already at the top of the stairs to the hangar to bring it to the repair shop - - - - - - NOT !  Well, I lost my balance (har, har), and not to injure myself I had to let go of the typewriter, so sorry - - -  NOT      Half hour later I got a new typewriter.

 

Cheers,

[Piet]

Today was nice and sunny and planned to mow the front lawn after it had dried.  This gave me some time to do some more tedious work on the sub.  I decided to make the pressure door for the forward torpedo loading tube and hopefully install the door on it.

 

I cut the 10 mm brass tube to size and cleaned it.  Then cut 3 each 3 mm pieces of 1.5 mm brass tubing for the hinge of the pressure door.

In order to make the door concave/convex I made a forming die from an oak dowel.  Made one end hollow and an other piece rounded to fit inside the hollowed out one.  Then put a .3 mm thick piece of brass sheet stock in between and put this all in my bench vice and squeezed the living daylights out of it.  It worked great!   

 

Next I had to cut some .15 brass shim stock into 2.5 mm wide strips for the door hinge pieces. They were soldered to the outside of the door leaving a gap for the center hinge piece on the tube.  I clamped these with a small wooden clothes pin.  Then bend the ends 90 degrees backwards and soldered the small pieces of tubing to it.  I used a steel office clamp as a heat sink so as not to desolder the strips from the door.  A little fine-tuning with a small drill bit and the door swings open and closed.

 

I'm now ready to clean and paint this little bugger and cement it in place.  But first I have to glue a few small strips of wood to the underside of the deck for the hinges of the hinged access doors.   Hmmmm, maybe I'll make them also from brass tubing and shim stock.  I'll decrease the wall thickness of the brass tube a little as I did for the torpedo tube then it's not too bulky.

Still a lot of work ahead with all this small work but this way it'll look better and realistic.  It's now just a matter how small can I make these things without tearing my hair out, the little I still have 

 

Well, that's about all I did today and not to forget, mowing the front lawn !!

 

These are oak dowels, the tall one is concave and the short one is convex.  It's difficult to see here.

 

Here I and posing the process, when I'm actually doing the pressing it'll be better positioned. 

 

After a lot of filing to make a good fit I am posing the finished door.  I did use a small hammer to form finish the edges.   It's now ready to receive the hinges.

 

The loading tube is cut to size and the completed pressure door is placed on the deck.

 

I used a small wooden clothes pin to hold the small hinge tube in place.

 

The door hinge tubes are soldered to the brass shim stock.  The steel office clamp acts as a heat sink.

 

The completed assembly posing with the door closed.

 

The completed assembly posing with the door open.

 

Here I just stuck the completed loading tube into it's location to check for fit. I had to remove it for the additional work to the opening.  Yes, it needs to be cleaned and all the dust removed and then painted.  i had to some more grinding to position the tube better.

 

Cheers,

[Jim Lad]

Very nice, Piet!

 

John

[PacificCrossRoads]

Piet! Outstanding! 

[Remcohe]

Sweet!

So now you're planning on how you're going to make the locking mechanism for the loading door? 

 

Remco

[harvey1847]

Excellent Piet!

 

Another "practicum" that I have saved in my "researh folder"!! Thanks for that.

 

Daniel.

[mtaylor]

Piet,

 

It just keeps getting better and better and I'll bet the lawn looks nice also. 

[popeye the sailor]

very nice progress Piet...still can't get over how nice the entire ship looks in primer

 

 

.....still rather do the  'Gallagher' to my hardware..........I find such peaceful satisfaction :D

[Piet]

Hello everyone and thanks for stopping by and clicking "like."  I like likes 

 

@ John (Lad), thank you John.

 

@ Boris, thank you and I have not forgotten you, hope you are oaky.

 

@ Remco, how did you figure I was pondering on making the closing and locking thingy?  Yes, and I should have made and installed that before I put the hinges on.  Hmmm, now I have to see of my heat-sink will work, again.  The scale is still pretty small for that kind of detailing, even at 1:50.

Did you know that on the USS Cod there was a bunk below the loading tube?  I guess there was an incentive to make sure it didn't leak 

@ Daniel, you are welcome.  It's my tool and die maker certification from eons ago that surfaces so now and then.  If you have to make a lot of parts it's best to use steel.  For my purposes hard oak with brass or copper will work just fine.  It has a tendency for some waste though but being a cheep Dutchman I found a way around that, I hammered the edges into shape before trimming   

 

Well, today produced little progress.  Most of my time was spend figuring out how to install the "rails" for the torpedo tunnels and those going over the deck launcher.  I had to move the escape hatch tunnel just aft of the launcher a little more aft because it interfered with the run of the "rails".  So I had to plug the hole I already made, which was a little challenge but came out just fine due to lack of access.  It'll be hardly noticeable or not at all when the mahogany deck slats are in place.

 

This was not the only destruction I had to do.  i also had to remove the center of the deck"bulkhead" where the aft torpedo loading tube will be.  That area is exposed for view with the doors open and the space below the deck is pretty empty.

Then I made a block to rest the tube on which is still not finished.  

Note to self, make the closing and locking thingy for the pressure lid at the same time I'm soldering the hinges.

I also made the four little doors that close off the forward loading tube well but they too are not finished.  Some small details on the bottom side and the hinges.

 

What else, oh yea, I have not found any picture yet how that side bow anchor looks like.  It could very well be a small mushroom anchor with a swivel stock.  I also have no idea if there is a door to enclose the anchor or that the convex side of the anchor kinda kinda closes it's well.  If there is a door it would most likely be hydraulically operated.  I think I have seen a very poor picture of the door and kinda know how it looks like.

The easy way out is to just make the door shape from a piece of bass wood and glue it in place    That way I can paint the boat.  I have purchased the paint      The red I planned to use is too red.  According to a color photo of a model made by the boot builder shows it to be more like "red lead."  It's an orangy rusty color.  I found a nice compromise paint, very close.  I also got a good match for the green and the light gray for the top works.   I'm a happy camper, baby     

 

I was going to order a ¾ inch brass tube for the AA gun placement but they wanted $25 for shipping for a #10 tube.  I told them to shove it.  So, I picked up a small sheet of 1.5 mm brass and I'm going to make my own tube, so there  - - - grumble grumble   

 

There is nothing like scratch building eh?

 

Okay, that's it for today.  Tomorrow is rear torp loading tube time.  More "priegel werk" as the Dutch would say.   Hmmmm, my Dutch English dictionary doesn't have an English word for that, could be minute / tedious work.  

 

All y'all have a great day and please come and visit anytime, beer and popcorn is always ready     

 

Cheers, 

 

 

[Piet]

Sorry Mark and Popeye, don't want to ignore yuns.  Your posts came in as I was bury packing at the keyboard.

 

@ Mark, that you very much for your kind words, I'm exited about the progress.  And yes, my lawn looks okay.  I fed it a few weeks ago and with all the rain it's nice and green.  The back yard too!

 

@ Popeye, wait till it's in color!!  I can't wait myself but I need to have patience though, I don't want to damage the finishing paint.  Am waiting for the deck anchor answer - - - - 

Now you got me with "the Gallagher" action.  If I know what it is then may I can also find peaceful satisfaction   

 

Cheers,