modelshipwright Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share #271 Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Thanks for all the comments from visitors to the build. The last figure is now mounted on the bulkhead and the next chore is to carve the gunport surrounds. More to follow................... Edited April 21, 2016 by modelshipwright Keith_W, marktiedens, dvm27 and 3 others 6 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share #272 Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) The blanks for the gunport surrounds are cut and the first is roughed out with the dental drill ready for finished carving. More to follow............ Edited April 21, 2016 by modelshipwright CaptainSteve, mtaylor, garym and 1 other 4 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 21, 2016 Share #273 Posted April 21, 2016 Beautiful work, Bill. How many gunports get the carvings? Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share #274 Posted April 21, 2016 Beautiful work, Bill. How many gunports get the carvings? Thanks Mark. There are four gunports between the carvings that get surrounds although, in the Van de Velde sketch there is an indication of two more outer ports that do not have cannons. They do not appear on the Payne engraving. Not sure yet what I will do about them yet. Regards, Bill mtaylor and Greg.Ashwood 2 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share #275 Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) This photo shows the size of the gunport surround carving in its rough format. It remains to clean up and finish the carving prior to mounting on the bulkhead. More to follow............. Edited April 22, 2016 by modelshipwright janos, garym, Keith_W and 8 others 11 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantGoodale Posted April 22, 2016 Share #276 Posted April 22, 2016 Looks like an excellent candidate for resin casting. Greg.Ashwood and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share #277 Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Looks like an excellent candidate for resin casting.You could do it that way, but all the carvings on my Sovereign are carved individually from boxwood. As boxwood changes colour with exposure to light, getting darker over time, the look is constantly changing. Therefore, all carvings must be in boxwood for consistency. Maybe another time on another model. Regards, Bill Edited April 22, 2016 by modelshipwright CaptainSteve, Greg.Ashwood and mtaylor 3 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg.Ashwood Posted April 23, 2016 Share #278 Posted April 23, 2016 Howdy Bill New to this site. I hope that one day I can be good as you. Great show of your workmanship. All the best Greg CaptainSteve and mtaylor 2 Quote "Any job that you do, deserves that you to push your abilities to your LIMITS and beyond. That way, you can grow and improve every day." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted April 23, 2016 Share #279 Posted April 23, 2016 Excellent work Bill My take on the van de velde work was that although six ports are shown,the cannons would be have to be moved from the front most port to the outer ones in the bulkhead.There isn't sufficient deck space to use two seperate cannons for both ports.at the front corner. Kind Regards Nigel mtaylor 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 23, 2016 Share #280 Posted April 23, 2016 Aie! So many small pointed ends, so easy to break off. That is amazing, Bill. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share #281 Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) Thanks for the comments from everyone who visited the build. The carving is now mounted on the bulkhead. There will be a crown added directly above it in the future. The bulkhead is starting to look filled in, slowly but surely. One down and three more to go. Hopefully without breaking off the very small points as Druxey has noted. More to follow....... Edited April 23, 2016 by modelshipwright russ, realworkingsailor, janos and 8 others 11 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share #282 Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) Gun surround number two is carved and in place. I set one of the blanks for carving number three against the bulkhead to show the raw blank sketched and ready for carving. Now for number three. What Nigel said is an interesting take on what the extra gun ports might have been used for. I just have to decide whether I want to include them or not. More to follow............. Edited April 23, 2016 by modelshipwright cristikc, NMBROOK, gjdale and 8 others 11 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted April 23, 2016 Share #283 Posted April 23, 2016 Brilliant work Bill the bulk head is stunning, looking forward to the next update Rgd BV mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted April 23, 2016 Share #284 Posted April 23, 2016 Brilliant work Bill the bulk head is stunning, looking forward to the next update Rgd BV Black Viking is correct! Brilliant artmanship on t h e carvings! Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share #285 Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) Well, after a disastrous first attempt ending up in the scrap box, the third gun port surround is now completed and in place on the model. On to the fourth and hopefully it will go smoothly. More to follow............. Edited April 24, 2016 by modelshipwright mtaylor, Altduck, NMBROOK and 8 others 11 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted April 26, 2016 Author Share #286 Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) Thanks to everyone who dropped by. Well, after gun surround #4 found the scrap bin as it broke in two, I spent yesterday planking the side panel for the beak on the port side in preparation for mounting after the bulkhead ornamentation is completed. I carved a new surround this morning and it thankfully survived the process in one piece. Here it is mounted on the bulkhead and the set of four is now complete. More to follow............... Edited April 26, 2016 by modelshipwright realworkingsailor, marktiedens, garym and 11 others 14 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share #287 Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) The first of four crowns to be mounted above the fleur-de-lis at each of the gun ports on the beakhead bulkhead is underway. Edited May 10, 2016 by modelshipwright garym, gjdale, paulsutcliffe and 5 others 8 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 14, 2016 Author Share #288 Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) Life got in the way of my ship modelling over the past week or so. The first crown is mounted on the bulkhead. Three more to go. More to follow........... Edited May 14, 2016 by modelshipwright WBlakeny, realworkingsailor, mtaylor and 7 others 9 1 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 14, 2016 Author Share #289 Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) The four crowns are now mounted. Now to consider the additional two ports on either side of the bulkhead and their relationship with the catheads and carved figures supporting them. More to follow............. Edited May 14, 2016 by modelshipwright garym, mtaylor, russ and 9 others 12 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 15, 2016 Share #290 Posted May 15, 2016 Just beautiful work, Bill. Between you and Janos, the carving bar is set really high. Which is a good thing to aspire to. janos 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share #291 Posted May 15, 2016 Thanks for dropping by Mark and for your kind comments for Janos and myself. Bill mtaylor 1 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share #292 Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) While contemplating the arrangement and spacing of the catheads and whether or not to add two more ports to the bulkhead I put my attention to carving a head for one of the spaces below the fleur-de-lies. The rough out of the carving. More of the detail exposed. Completed and ready for mounting. More to follow................ Edited May 15, 2016 by modelshipwright CaptainSteve, gjdale, russ and 4 others 7 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share #293 Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) The bulkhead with two of the four animal heads mounted below the cannon ports. More to follow.......... Bill Edited May 15, 2016 by modelshipwright WBlakeny, gjdale, NMBROOK and 9 others 12 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share #294 Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) The remaining two cat head carvings are now in place below the gun ports and it is time to move on to the ports at either side of the bulkhead along with the catheads and supporting sculptures. As a result of a recent discussion with some other modellers, I have chosen to believe that the additional two ports shown at port and starboard location on the bulkhead in the Van de Velde sketch were possibly observation ports as there is a lot of anchor rigging directly in front of the ports from the catheads and it would seem that gunfire from a canon in these ports would not be possible. I intend to construct the catheads and surround these two ports with decorative carvings. I have marked the centre of the observation port openings in pencil. More to follow........... Edited May 17, 2016 by modelshipwright gjdale, janos, realworkingsailor and 7 others 10 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbshan Posted May 17, 2016 Share #295 Posted May 17, 2016 It is possible the two observation ports were intended to have guns, at least to be able to, since the tactic when the ship was new was to come in, make a big turn and get out, firing guns from both broadsides and all quarters as the ship turned. When the ship was actually built, it may have become obvious that the anchors and rigging got in the way. Do they have similar carvings and surrounds as the ports you have just done? If so, they may originally have had the capability to mount guns. mtaylor 1 Quote Joel Sanborn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9953-lexington-by-jbshan-dlumberyard-164-from-the-seaways-practicum-by-clay-feldman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share #296 Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) It is possible the two observation ports were intended to have guns, at least to be able to, since the tactic when the ship was new was to come in, make a big turn and get out, firing guns from both broadsides and all quarters as the ship turned. When the ship was actually built, it may have become obvious that the anchors and rigging got in the way. Do they have similar carvings and surrounds as the ports you have just done? If so, they may originally have had the capability to mount guns. Thanks for your comments J. I will include three contemporary reference photos which show this area. First, the Van de Velde sketch which clearly shows the port in question below the cathead. You will note that the ornamentation surrounding the port is not the same as the other ports due to the space taken by the cathead mounting and the Satyr carving below it. Next is the Payne engraving which does not show this extra port. And finally, I have included the painting from the Museum of Fine Arts Boston showing the starboard view of this area which is in keeping with the Payne engraving. There lies the issue. The answer is not clear. The Payne engraving shows rigging lines in place from the cathead while the other two do not include the rigging. Regards, Bill Edited May 18, 2016 by modelshipwright janos, mtaylor and garym 3 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share #297 Posted May 18, 2016 For some reason, I saw the start of your vessel on this site and it got lost in the crowd. Now, I am following your build on the ships of scale site and loving it. I too post on both sites. I am glad that you posted this on the ships of scale site so I could again appreciate your vessel. I could have improved my version if I had not lost your build. The pictures you have that I did not find would have answered a lot of the questions I had as I working on my model. Thanks for taking the time and caring enough to post on both sites. Gary Thanks for looking at my log Gary. When I want to follow a build log on either site I subscribe to the thread and receive notices whenever there is new content. Very convenient and I don't lose track of the thread. Regards, Bill mtaylor 1 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share #298 Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) The cathead construction is underway with the slots being cut for the sheaves to fit in. More to follow......... Edited May 18, 2016 by modelshipwright mtaylor, garym and CaptainSteve 3 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 18, 2016 Share #299 Posted May 18, 2016 Interesting conundrum, Bill. Two out of three sources don't show this port. The VdV and Boston images look more accurately rendered than the Payne.... The more forward-pointing catheads of that era look as if they would be almost immediately above such a port, if it existed. My inclination would be to omit it. However, its's your model, your call! Beautiful work again, Bill. It's nice to see the head of your model finally being populated! mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelshipwright Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share #300 Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) Interesting conundrum, Bill. Two out of three sources don't show this port. The VdV and Boston images look more accurately rendered than the Payne.... The more forward-pointing catheads of that era look as if they would be almost immediately above such a port, if it existed. My inclination would be to omit it. However, its's your model, your call! Beautiful work again, Bill. It's nice to see the head of your model finally being populated! Thanks D. It should be noted that the perspective of the VdV sketch is somewhat suspect as the cathead comes towards you from an angled or curved bulkhead while the port seems to face forward. I now have spaces at each side of the bulkhead to support the placement of a port or I could just place some ornamentation there without the port. Decisions decisions! Regards, Bill Edited May 18, 2016 by modelshipwright mtaylor 1 Quote Mediocrity will never do. You are capable of something better.” ― Gordon B. Hinckley Current build: Sovereign of the Seas 1637 My Book: Carving Ornamentation for Ship Models Website: Http://carvingbook.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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