reklein Posted May 25, 2017 Share #1 Posted May 25, 2017 Started this yesterday, ready for blocking I think. Please disregard the photo 8203 . I dumb thumbed it. Nirvana, Elijah, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share #2 Posted May 26, 2017 Completed the blocking. Once blocking was done the slight curve to the BF was corrected. One problem was ,I kept breaking off the stantions. Part of this trouble was due to the excessively deep laser scoring of reference lines. Only one layer of ply was untouched. Anyways I hardened all the stations with CA and reattached On to the bow fillers and fairing.OOPS! forgot a filler block. These build logs are handy for spotting mistakes. David Rice, Cathead, Jack12477 and 4 others 7 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #3 Posted May 26, 2017 Pulling up a chair to follow along. That Co-Op Creamery looks like a nice HO scale building kit Nirvana and reklein 2 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted May 27, 2017 Share #4 Posted May 27, 2017 I'm in. Can't follow too many Syren builds! Steve Nirvana, jablackwell and MEDDO 3 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heronguy Posted May 27, 2017 Share #5 Posted May 27, 2017 Let me join the party. My Syren is calling me too! Bill, I hope you have lots of with this build! Nirvana, MEDDO and jablackwell 3 Quote Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted May 27, 2017 Share #6 Posted May 27, 2017 Will absolutely follow along. I love the Syren and I can't wait to eventually begin my build. Nirvana and jablackwell 2 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted May 27, 2017 Share #7 Posted May 27, 2017 Go get 'em tiger! jablackwell and Nirvana 2 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted May 27, 2017 Share #8 Posted May 27, 2017 Bill, I thought you mentioned you didn't have time to start building the Syren until second week of June...... Ha at least I found your log and as you can see I have started mine. I am glad you didn't have the same issue with warping and twist in the BF. So, now we are waiting for our President of PSSM to get going with his Syren as well. Tigersteve, reklein and Jack12477 3 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share #9 Posted May 27, 2017 I somehow got inspired to start, and once I did I can't stop. We're traveling the first half of June so won't be much then. I'll start the gunnel timbering today and see where we go from there what with yard work and getting the trailer ready to travel. So far no building board, I like to build "in the air" until I start deck work and rigging Etc. David Rice 1 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rice Posted May 27, 2017 Share #10 Posted May 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, reklein said: I somehow got inspired to start, and once I did I can't stop. We're traveling the first half of June so won't be much then. I'll start the gunnel timbering today and see where we go from there what with yard work and getting the trailer ready to travel. So far no building board, I like to build "in the air" until I start deck work and rigging Etc. Your fast. I'll be in the Idaho Owyhee Mountains the same time. After the big fire a few years ago, and wet winter, my friends are reporting a spectacular wildflower display building. They are also reporting a big crop of Game Birds. Nirvana and Jack12477 2 Quote Starting the Model Shipways U.S. Brig Syren Working on the Caldercraft HMS Snake Completed Scratch Built of Russian Armed Merchant Ship Neva 1801-1805 Scratch Commercial Fishing Vessels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted May 28, 2017 OK on the first pic, what have I done wrong? The template doesn't fit my model at all. So I guess it'll have to be a guide line. Second the below decks are planked. I used the minwax stain and pencil caulking. Works very nice. I found a nice big graphite pencil in my stash of artist supplies to make the job easy. I like to stain and paint late in the day so the project will be ready to resume in the morning. JohnB40 and Cathead 2 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted May 28, 2017 Share #12 Posted May 28, 2017 Bill, you are one frame off from the bow, move the strip one frame forward and it will be better. Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted May 28, 2017 Share #13 Posted May 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Nirvana said: Bill, you are one frame off from the bow, move the strip one frame forward and it will be better. Thats what I thought but then the stern looks like it is pretty well aligned. Doesn't it? Hard to tell with the camera angles. By the time I start my Syren I hope there are 20-30 of these blogs all working through the problems before I get there Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted May 28, 2017 Share #14 Posted May 28, 2017 Bill take a look at this picture and you are good. Cathead, David Rice and MEDDO 3 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted May 28, 2017 I rechecked the patterns and both side patterns match the top view patterns and the plan sheet. The bulkhead former does not match the plans or template. Not to worry though. Check your bulkhead former against you template. My plans may have been miscopied. Just have to be a guideline. Even the very first former is off from former #24. Gotta get the grass mowed will post again this eve. HIPEXEC and MEDDO 2 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted May 28, 2017 Share #16 Posted May 28, 2017 Bill, my templates are off as well but when comparing to sheet 2, framing plan the BF is perfect. If you have a printer with scanning feature use sheet 2 to make a copy for the pattern. I am to do a trial and if it works I will post it for you. MEDDO 1 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share #17 Posted June 15, 2017 OK , I think I have the gunnel framing finished. Instead of religiously trying to follow templates ,I referred to the text where he says to have the gunports evenly spaced and the sweep ports centered between them. Seemed to work out quite right. Visually it'll be hard to tell until the planking is on. I had a hard time keeping the stantions on and straight even with hardening the wood with CA. But I figure that all of them will be covered by planking so I made everything fit and made sure the gunports were square. Next is the stern framing which looks like it'll be fun. Nice to be back in the shop. Nirvana, JohnB40, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rice Posted June 16, 2017 Share #18 Posted June 16, 2017 Looks good. I am currently just south of you. Exploring the high country of Hells Canyon between Council and Riggins. What's with the rain? Jack12477 1 Quote Starting the Model Shipways U.S. Brig Syren Working on the Caldercraft HMS Snake Completed Scratch Built of Russian Armed Merchant Ship Neva 1801-1805 Scratch Commercial Fishing Vessels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share #19 Posted June 16, 2017 Supposed to be nice on Sat. again David. Be sure to take in Whitebird days on Sat. You have to play horse poop bingo.. You but a piece of tapea and put your name on it and stick it on the street in Whitebird. If a horse poops on it during the parade you win half the money collected. The other half goes to the local school functions. Nirvana and Jack12477 2 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rice Posted June 16, 2017 Share #20 Posted June 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, reklein said: Supposed to be nice on Sat. again David. Be sure to take in Whitebird days on Sat. You have to play horse poop bingo.. You but a piece of tapea and put your name on it and stick it on the street in Whitebird. If a horse poops on it during the parade you win half the money collected. The other half goes to the local school functions. Spotted some nice Elk, Mule Deer, and my first ever Blond/Cinnumin Black Bear. Flying back to Paradise on Sunday. Then back to work on my Syren. reklein, Jack12477 and Nirvana 3 Quote Starting the Model Shipways U.S. Brig Syren Working on the Caldercraft HMS Snake Completed Scratch Built of Russian Armed Merchant Ship Neva 1801-1805 Scratch Commercial Fishing Vessels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share #21 Posted June 20, 2017 OK here are some poor photos of my stern framing. Chuck was right, very fragile. I'm just about ready to start a little planking.Lots and lots of small pieces of wood.Am using an exacto razor saw and miter box for most. For the gunnel blocks there are some 40 identical pieces for the gunport uprights those I cut on the scroll saw. JohnB40, Cathead, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Rice Posted June 20, 2017 Share #22 Posted June 20, 2017 Wow, you are moving right along. I wonder if a person could use pieces of card stock on both sides of the stern to protect it from mishaps? reklein, Nirvana and Jack12477 3 Quote Starting the Model Shipways U.S. Brig Syren Working on the Caldercraft HMS Snake Completed Scratch Built of Russian Armed Merchant Ship Neva 1801-1805 Scratch Commercial Fishing Vessels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted June 20, 2017 Share #23 Posted June 20, 2017 Be careful working on that stern...I know from hard experience. It is very fragile. Your project looks great! Jack12477, Nirvana and reklein 3 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share #24 Posted June 20, 2017 I'm pretty sure the stern will stiffen up as you start to plank. There is also a diagonal that goes under the outside layer of planking to bolster the stern. Nirvana and Jack12477 2 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heronguy Posted June 20, 2017 Share #25 Posted June 20, 2017 I have planned a slightly different approach. Hearing how fragile the stern shapers seem to be, and how ham-handed I can be, and since I have a pair of bulkhead formers and bulkheads (replacement for the plywood that originally was crumbling, I decided to make some replacement stern shapers from hardwood. It was also a good exercise making odd-shaped bits. I printed the section of the templates for the stern shapers and glued them onto hardwood. Some cherry and some Jatoba. I think they turned out pretty well! And they are really strong. (I wouldn't have done this if it were something that was going to need al lot of sanding!) I made the C shaper 2twcie as hick to avoid having to glue 2 together. I haven't used them yet so I don't really know if this is a "solution" or a new set of problems! davyboy, Nirvana, JohnB40 and 3 others 6 Quote Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigersteve Posted June 20, 2017 Share #26 Posted June 20, 2017 That looks really well done. Steve Heronguy 1 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share #27 Posted June 21, 2017 I would have recommended basswood as the outboard shapers need quite a bit of cutting back. Look ahead in the book to see how you get that nice rounded stern. Also be careful in your vertical alignment so you'll get that nice outward bulge that I missed. David Rice 1 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heronguy Posted June 21, 2017 Share #28 Posted June 21, 2017 Good things to know before I commit. He replacement parts in from model expo are basswood. I imagine the plywood ones in the 1st set I received would also be difficult to shape - though not as difficult as the hardwood. In any event, Bill, I will continue watching how the stern develops on your build. Best of luck! HIPEXEC, Nirvana and David Rice 3 Quote Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share #29 Posted June 22, 2017 Heres my modern high tech solar and wind powered plank bender. Capable of six at a time. Planking has begun on the Syren. Mostly just building in the air one plank at a time. Using CA and kicker. David Rice, Tigersteve, Heronguy and 5 others 8 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share #30 Posted June 23, 2017 finished 7 planks up from the wale on Stbd side. Nirvana, Jack12477, Cathead and 8 others 11 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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