amateur Posted September 7, 2018 #91 Posted September 7, 2018 Blokzijl is a ni ce, but very small town, and the wieden are a beautifulll area (lots of water and reed). The ship you get when you rent a punter in Blokzijl is this one: a relatively small inland sailing ship. in Giethoorn they use the same type, but without mast (as these need to fit under the bridges that connect the houses to the main street. Also with much lower boards, as they don't sail in open water, but are propelled using a long stick,pushed aginst the bottom of the canal. as you see, lots of tourists overthere, mostly japanese and american. Not nice, too crowded, too commercial...... jan cog, Piet, John Allen and 1 other 4 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 7, 2018 Author #92 Posted September 7, 2018 So I wonder if National Geographic made a mistake which is rare as they check their facts all the time. The boat in my picture sure looks very different compared to yours. 😂 The picture of that ship you put in your previous post is more like it. Long ship, living quarters, large cargo area and large sails. I am tempted to write National Geographic travel magazine and point to there mistake. Just think, someone reads this article, goes on vacation to Blokzijl with a large family and wants to rent a punter. The rental place shows him the little boat instead of the boat from the article........ The Boyer. Been working on the walnut wales and the cherry planks in between the wales. Also created the 2 curved pieces (don't know what they are called) that go on the stern. The wales are attached to it on the sides. Where 2 planks meet I use a method I've seen on a lot of other Dutch ships. I did this with the Utrecht as well. It looks good and I assume in real life it locks into place. . Marcus cog, Piet, amateur and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
G.L. Posted September 8, 2018 #93 Posted September 8, 2018 On 9/5/2018 at 6:32 PM, flying_dutchman2 said: #G. L. Thanks for mentioning this. I would be interested in the month and year of the article. The picture I have from the article has a large punter with 2 sails. The main sale is huge. Marcus Hello Marcus, I went to the library this morning and searched for the article. It was published in the 'Modelbouwer' 5 of 2017. Like Jan is mentioning, a punter (in this case a Giethoornse punter) is a small open vessel without a deck or a supper structure. It can be sailed. I add a picture of the model which is described in the article. If you wish I can scan the article and mail it to you as a PDF file (I don't know if Dutch is a problem for you). G.L. mtaylor and Piet 2 Quote G.L. Current projects: Oostends schipje (Ostend shrimper) - scale 1:20 Clipper d'Argenteuil - POF - scale 1/15 - SMALL Completed projects: Norwegian Whale Boat - POF - scale 1/10 - SMALL Anatomy of a boat by G.L. - scale 1/10 - POF - SMALL Day gaff sailing boat with center board - FINISHED - SMALL - scale 1/10 Cross section fishing smack - FINISHED -scale 1:20HMS Triton cross section - FINISHED - Scale 1:24
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 8, 2018 Author #94 Posted September 8, 2018 Hi G. L., Thanks for taking the time to go to the library and take a picture of the punter. I like the model with the farmer and his cows. That is so Dutch. Dutch is my first language so that is no problem. I am interested in the article and would appreciate if if you scanned it and emailed it to me. I'll pm you with my email. Marcus Piet and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 11, 2018 Author #95 Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) When I bend a plank to shape I use a row of clamps. It becomes a 'clamp forest'. The three wales on both sides are installed with the planking in between. According to the picture in the book the blank between the lower wale and the middle wale is painted green and between the middle and the top wale is painted red I goofed in the stern. My curved strip is too long. So the little area there, is extra. Will either add another walnut plank making a small 4th wale or a cherry plank and paint it red. All and all I am pretty happy with the results. There are some small gaps between the planking. Not sure what to do. In the past I used to jam slivers of the same wood in it as filler is never the same color. Suggestions are welcome. Also created the rudder and tiller and the leeboards. Marcus Edited September 11, 2018 by flying_dutchman2 Spelling. Piet, G.L., Landlubber Mike and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
GrantGoodale Posted September 11, 2018 #96 Posted September 11, 2018 One thing to do is not use a sanding drum on my Dremel and sand other pieces of the same stock but collecting the sawdust in a small dish. Mix in some white glue and now you have the exact match for your wood. PVA glues do not sand that well so it would be good to find some other type of water soluble glue. HTH mtaylor 1 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 12, 2018 Author #97 Posted September 12, 2018 HTH, I have used that method as well but never for filling tiny gaps between planking. On the Utrecht I used it to fill the gap between the deck and the frames. Made a thick paste and applied it. Also on my windmill built I used it to fill large gaps. Thanks for the suggestion. Marcus Piet, mtaylor and Omega1234 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 24, 2018 Author #98 Posted September 24, 2018 Been doing some house projects such as resurfacing the driveway, resealing the concrete patio and just finished degreasing half of the garage. Tomorrow I will reseal it with a concrete sealer. After that I will do the other half. Did do 2 cherry planks every day last week so the boat is coming along. Cutting your own planks is an education. I thought I had it down but after I measured the thickness of every plank I noticed 1/2 are off by a mm. So once the hull is planked there will be a lot of sanding. Better too thick than too thin. Marcus Omega1234, Piet, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 27, 2018 Author #99 Posted September 27, 2018 I have completed the planking up to the wales. Now comes the difficult area. I plan to use two pieces of 0.5mm thick planks glued on top of each other, which makes the thickness of all the other planks I used. I will do this as there is some extreme bending. My planking of the Boyer is different to the model in the book. The model in the book follows the curve of the wales all the way to the keel. It does straighten out a bit. That stern of the model has straight planking as well. So, it follows the curve of the whale and towards the stern it bends 90 degrees and ends up straight when it hits the rudder post. (hope this made sense). I followed the planking as a combination of the Utrecht and from a book of the Valkenisse, by Rob Napier. The Dutch planked there ships differently compared to the rest of the seafaring world and I am doing this in my models as well. Marcus Piet, Elijah, Omega1234 and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 1, 2018 Author #100 Posted October 1, 2018 Completed the second layer of planking and filled in the cracks with a mixture of cherry sawdust and white glue. Once dry, the hull will be sanded. Marcus amateur, G.L., Elijah and 6 others 9 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Mark Pearse Posted October 4, 2018 #101 Posted October 4, 2018 Well done Marcus, they are remarkable craft. Mark mtaylor and Elijah 2 Quote completed 1:12 28' Ranger type yacht, scratch build - COMPLETED 1:12 20' 1930 open sailing boat, half model, scratch built - COMPLETED 1:12 24' Ranger type yacht, scratch build
cog Posted October 4, 2018 #102 Posted October 4, 2018 You missed a spot on the starboard side ... looks quite smooth from this side of the internet. The stern must have been hard to shape ... Piet, mtaylor and Elijah 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 4, 2018 Author #103 Posted October 4, 2018 16 hours ago, Mark Pearse said: Well done Marcus, they are remarkable craft. Mark Mark, Yes they are and a challenge to build especially when there is very little information about them. Couple of pictures in the 17th century merchant ship book and a painting. Marcus mtaylor and Elijah 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 4, 2018 Author #104 Posted October 4, 2018 14 hours ago, cog said: You missed a spot on the starboard side ... looks quite smooth from this side of the internet. The stern must have been hard to shape ... Carl, Sanding is not yet completed, but thanks for letting me know. The stern was difficult to shape. The bluff bow, I have experience with (yachts, tjalk, boeier and botter). Marcus Piet, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 11, 2018 Author #105 Posted October 11, 2018 Sanding the hull is pretty much completed except for a small area on the bow. Started the inboard planking with 2-ply cherry. It will follow the curve of the wales. Some of it will dissappear below the deck as that has a much relaxer curve. Barely anything on the Boyer is straight. The Custum cabinet maker in the town over is retiring so I was given many planks of maple, cherry and walnut. Four sheets of veneer 8' by 1' - 2-ply of 2 cherry and 2 maple. It is 0.8mm thick. So nice planking. Also picked up a combo sander. 10" disk and 3' long flat sander which can be tilted. Could have used that for the mill couple of months ago instead of the small one I have. Marcus Omega1234, Piet and G.L. 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 15, 2018 Author #106 Posted October 15, 2018 Inboard planking is completed. Added 2mm by 2mm stock, 3 pieces side by side which equals 6mm in width as the top of the railing. Once dry, sand and paint it dark brown or black and glue them in place. Marcus Piet, Omega1234, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
amateur Posted November 2, 2018 #107 Posted November 2, 2018 Did you see the models build by Ab Hoving in the gallery? He did a number of these ships in cardboard using plastic adhesive (like Doris) Jan Piet and mtaylor 2 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 2, 2018 Author #108 Posted November 2, 2018 I completed the deck and created it a very 'unconventional' way. I made a false deck from 2-ply maple and sanded it into shape. Took maple stock and used my table saw to cut long planks of 1mm thick by 360mm long by 5mm wide. The planks for the deck are 120mm (4-3/4") long strips. Took the false deck out of the hull, laid it on the table and planked it taking into account where the frames were. Still need to sand the deck and with it being 1mm thick I can sand away. The sides are to be sanded to slightly past the false deck so when it is placed in the boat it will bulge a bit giving it a slight curve I can do the above method as the deck is in 2 parts. The larger part can slide in. I also cut the top railing to size. Marcus Bob Legge, GrantGoodale, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 2, 2018 Author #109 Posted November 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, amateur said: Did you see the models build by Ab Hoving in the gallery? He did a number of these ships in cardboard using plastic adhesive (like Doris) Jan No I did not, I'll take a look. I know he did a Fluit which was in the NRG magazine a while back. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 2, 2018 Author #110 Posted November 2, 2018 Dry fit deck. Dry fit deck with cabin Marcus G.L., Omega1234, Piet and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 5, 2018 Author #111 Posted November 5, 2018 Caulking the deck was done with marking the edges of the planks with a number H pencil. Installed all the planks and did a bit of sanding. Drilled the holes for the imitation dowels. The used a soft lead pencil in each hole, twirled it around a bit, vacuumed the lead dust off and pressed wood filler in the holes. Let it dry and sanded the deck. First coat of paint in the plank that is above the first wale (Cadmium dark red) and Chromium oxide green above the second wale. Started on inserting black steenless steel pins in the holes that are in the wales and where 2 planks are fitted together. The above methods are from the book and I like it. Marcus Landlubber Mike, mtaylor, GrantGoodale and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 6, 2018 Author #112 Posted November 6, 2018 Created the hawse holes and painted them Mars black. Second coat of paint is done and a few more pins in the wales and then that is done as well. I like the looks of it Marcus Jack12477, Landlubber Mike, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Landlubber Mike Posted November 6, 2018 #113 Posted November 6, 2018 Coming along very nicely Marcus. I like the colors you are using. Can I ask what brand of paints? mtaylor 1 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 6, 2018 Author #114 Posted November 6, 2018 41 minutes ago, Landlubber Mike said: Coming along very nicely Marcus. I like the colors you are using. Can I ask what brand of paints? Thank you. Most of the paints are from Hobby Lobby. There signature brand is called Master's Touch acrylics. Master's Touch - Chrome oxide green Liquitex Basics - Cadmium red deep hue Golden - Mars black (had some left over). The scratch built yacht Utrecht is painted with both Master's Touch and Liquitex basics paints. These are thick enough to get thick layers, can be diluted with a bit of water and affordable. Master's Touch 4 oz. = $3.99 and 8 oz $6.99 Liquitex Basics are a dollar more for the 4 oz and the 8 oz. Both available at Hobby Lobby. Marcus Piet, Landlubber Mike, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
noel_colledge Posted November 6, 2018 #115 Posted November 6, 2018 Not sure if it is any use to you at all and even less sure of how to, and even if I am allowed to mention or post and upload. I was lucky enough recently to pick up a number of old nautical research journals from flea bay which I am steadily reading through. There is an article in vol 14 nos 3-4 (1967) about the building of a 1/4" scale Boeier by Harry V Dunn Jr. More than happy to copy and send PM or upload if the site allows. mtaylor and Piet 2 Quote Finished builds are 1/35 Endeavour's Longboat by Artesania Latina 1/36 scratch built Philadelphia Gunboat from the Smithsonian Plans Current build is Scratch build Boudroit's Monograph for La Jacinthe at 1/36
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 6, 2018 Author #116 Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, noel_colledge said: More than happy to copy and send PM or upload if the site allows. Noel, I pm'd you about this Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 9, 2018 Author #117 Posted November 9, 2018 Glued the main deck into place and installed the top railing after first painting it Mars black. Deck items are few, but I may fill it up with cargo and add some figures. The most difficult part is to install the mizzen mast. It is just glued on a flat piece of wood. Right below is the tiller and right below of that is the deck Strange design. It will be a challenge. Marcus Landlubber Mike, Omega1234, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 15, 2018 Author #118 Posted November 15, 2018 Started bending to shape the gudgeons and the pinntels. Used CA and glued the gudgeons in place. Put a 0.66 drill bit in the dremel drill press and proceeded to drill holes into the brass gudgeons. After that, I took brass nails, cut them in half and nailed them through the gudgeons into the stem. Marcus Who came up with the word 'gudgeons'??? G.L., Omega1234, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
cog Posted November 16, 2018 #119 Posted November 16, 2018 12 hours ago, flying_dutchman2 said: Who came up with the word 'gudgeons'??? You in this build log ... I found this in the digital librairy: Turned out real good the gudgeons, did you put a brass nail in the oposite side too, or will you make a rivet from the nail? mtaylor and Piet 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 16, 2018 Author #120 Posted November 16, 2018 11 hours ago, cog said: You in this build log ... I found this in the digital librairy: Turned out real good the gudgeons, did you put a brass nail in the oposite side too, or will you make a rivet from the nail? Thank you and the info on the digital library. Yes, both sides have nails. The holes on one side are different in location as the opposite side. If you use a ruler you can see that they are off by a mm. Marcus michael mott, mtaylor, cog and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
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