NAZGÛL Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share #721 Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Thanks Sherry! Jan, I think I read Fred Hocker and his colleagues will make correct plans later on. It should be very true to the original and also not idealized. /Matti Edited January 25, 2014 by NAZGÛL Salty Sea Dog 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 25, 2014 Share #722 Posted January 25, 2014 Excellent work mate!! you will have to update your signature pic now .For a moment I thought you garden table was under the snow looking at one of the pics.I timed my outdoor photography right,monsoons have returned here Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share #723 Posted January 25, 2014 Cheers mate, yeah we also had lots of rain this winter, so I'm relieved we got snow instead. Jan here's the pic of the plan. Quite different from the real ship: /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanV Posted January 25, 2014 Share #724 Posted January 25, 2014 Thanks Matti. I will follow the actual situation on the original with 6 figures NAZGÛL 1 Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share #725 Posted January 25, 2014 No problem buddy. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share #726 Posted January 27, 2014 Small update. Vasas sculptures where not all emperors and glory, two of them were jokes aiming to make fun of Gustav Adolfs main enemy King Sigismund of Poland. Below the two catheads polish noblemen croushes under tables. These were best seen from sitting on the heads, so it's made for the crewmens amusement. The BB don't have plastic sculptures for this, actually their solition is to use pieces of wood instead. I decided to dare the gods of shipmodelmaking and carved simplified versions of them instead. The original shape is pretty strange and from the outside you can barely see what it is supposed to be, without color anyway. I did end up with some problems here as there are many angles meeting up there and anyone doing the BB kit should try and plan for this stage early. When it comes to sculptures, these are the toughest to fit on the model in my opinion. Here are reference pictures of the polish noblemen, as you see the shape is quite special: And here are mine: /Matti marktiedens, muzzleloader, realworkingsailor and 9 others 12 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clipper Posted January 27, 2014 Share #727 Posted January 27, 2014 Well done my friend, those carvings are 100% better than the printed plywood versions supplied with the kit Tony NAZGÛL and WackoWolf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 27, 2014 Share #728 Posted January 27, 2014 Excellent work Matti Through your log mate,I feel like I am being taken through a tour of all the details I have never really noticed in the past on the ship Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share #729 Posted January 27, 2014 Cheers fellas! Tony, I did notice printed gentlemen on plywood squares in the old spareparts I got my hands on earlier. There are no print on the ones in my kit. Since the kit has nice figures otherwise I think its a good idea to make your own versions of these guys. Ah, I see Steve. Like below the heads? lol. Cheers Nigel, I think the odd details like these sculptures or the blue purple thingie are the most interesting ones. /Matti NMBROOK, WackoWolf, clipper and 1 other 4 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 27, 2014 Share #730 Posted January 27, 2014 I couldn't agree more Matti,she is certainly a very interesting and quirky ship,especially when it comes to the decor.The designers must have had a very vivid imagination Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share #731 Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Yeah, many think that the rich sculptural themes where created by Gustav Adolfs teacher and friend Johan Skytte, at least that he is one of the persons behind them. /Matti Edited January 27, 2014 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanV Posted January 27, 2014 Share #732 Posted January 27, 2014 very nice detail Matti, was this sculpture part of the Billings kit? NAZGÛL 1 Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share #733 Posted January 27, 2014 Thanks Jan! No, they are scratched mate. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted January 27, 2014 Share #734 Posted January 27, 2014 Matti, Those cathead braces that you made are awesome. Nice work. Also the historical context is interesting. I may have to pull mine out now and do a better job (:-) Great labor intensive update.!! Cheers, Michael WackoWolf and NAZGÛL 2 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted January 27, 2014 Share #735 Posted January 27, 2014 Hi Matti, You've done yourself proud mate, those carvings are excellent. This really is one fine build. Be Good mobbsie WackoWolf and NAZGÛL 2 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share #736 Posted January 27, 2014 Thank you very much Michael and mobbsie! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollander-jan Posted January 27, 2014 Share #737 Posted January 27, 2014 Hello Matti, just had a look at what your building. Looks verry good and great photografs. I will be following the build and sure it wil be a spendid ship to see. Jan NAZGÛL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share #738 Posted January 28, 2014 Thanks Jan, I'm very happy you like it! Cheers /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share #739 Posted January 28, 2014 Hey Nigel, I started to plan for the cannons. First I need to decide what setup I want, if I want them out and ready to fire or not. Either way I need cannons for the deck and like you the originals are really plain and the shape is not correct. The ones you suggested are much better. Here are the real Vasa cannons, and one pic of the newmade replica: I'll try and get the right measurement. I'm not sure the ones in the kit have the right lenght. /Matti Hi Matti Out of necessity,i am replacing all the cannons on my Sovereign build.I am using Amati decorative cannons.These can be obtained either with or without a machined walnut carriage assembly.They come in various lengths but the lengths listed are actually different from the true length.I bought a sample of each size to determine what I required.I didn't want plain cannons as that wasn't was fitted on the original,and I feel Wasa is the same.I include a picture so you get an idea (I thought there was one on my build log,but after checking,there isn't).If you like the look of them,I will give you the part numbers and exact lengths. Kind Regards Nigel riverboat, WackoWolf and Salty Sea Dog 3 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 28, 2014 Share #740 Posted January 28, 2014 Hi Mate,yes I have seen the pics on the museums site.The only model cannon maker that would produce anything exactly the same is Alex Banarov.His artillery is amazing,however looking at his site he hasn't developed any cannons for Wasa .I think much depends on how much time you want to devote to them.You could spend time producing one master for each size and cast them in resin.The easiest way of doing this would be to start with a basic aftermarket cannon and then add the decorative parts yourself.The problem I can foresee having seen Clayton's work is that many of the cannons have unusual proportions in that they are very long for their diameter.The cannons on Sovereign were the other way round all be Drakes,short and fat.So I decided to compromise which was the Amati product.If you want some info on the Amati cannons,just ask mate. Kind Regards Nigel WackoWolf and NAZGÛL 2 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share #741 Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Cheers mate! Yeah I'm very interested in the Amati ones. The biggest ones in the kit is 32 mm and it looks about right when looking at reference. Problem is she had many different versions of cannons. How tall are the ones in the picture you posted earlier? And do they look about right from the front, looking at the barrel? /Matti Edited January 28, 2014 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 28, 2014 Share #742 Posted January 28, 2014 Hi Matti,unfortunately I can't lay my hands on the shortest one.I only ordered one of these as was unsure how many I required. However The RHS one pt no.4159/50 is listed as 50mm long but is in fact 44mm.The muzzle has an OD of 6mm with a 3.5mm bore The middle one pt no.4159/40 is listed as 40mm long but is in fact 35mm.The muzzle is 3.5mm OD with a bore of 2.5mm. The smallest one is 4159/30 listed as 30mm but from what I can remember was in fact 27mm long. All the pt no's above include full walnut carriages but they are available seperately. They also do one 20mm long but I should imagine this is possibly a little short for your requirements. Take into account the kit cannons are for the upper deck,the cannons get larger as you work your way down Kind Regards Nigel mtaylor and WackoWolf 2 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share #743 Posted January 28, 2014 Ah, sorry, I ment the largest cannon on the upper deck. The ones for the gunports are slightly wider in diameter, but they are just short ones ment to fit the fake gunports. I've started the tricky part to map the differeny cannons used on Vasa. The ones on upper deck is a mixed bag of what they could find as they didn't manage to make all guns in time. Thanks for the help, it's good to know the real lenghts! /Matti WackoWolf, CaptainSteve, riverboat and 1 other 4 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karleop Posted January 29, 2014 Share #744 Posted January 29, 2014 Hi Matti: After two years deciding if I would continue the VASA kit that a friend gave to me because he couldn’t do it, and the work done was wrong and must be undo, finally I decided to begin with it and I think it’s getting pretty well. Although the instructions are very poor, the pictures of the VASA museum and especially your posts in MSW forum, that I followed since the beginning, have been invaluable. Great job you're doing. From your pictures on the forum I see you didn’t get already to the deck pulleys (?). Anyway, I would appreciate your opinion about this. According to the Manual blue prints and photos there are 3: apparently 2 equals (between mizzenmast and main mast) and another near the foremast, all of them with the same pulleys (F375, 6mm) so that should be 6 and the kit have only 4. By other part the kit contains 12 pcs of 5 mm (F565) and checking the Manual and Drawings I see that only 8 are used. Can be that the one near the foremast are intended to use this 5 mm pulleys? Regards from the Gulf of California (Mexico), Karl canoe21 and NAZGÛL 2 Quote Finished Models (Gallery): Pandora (Constructo), HMS Endeavour (AL), San FranciscoII (AL), Fishing boat (scratch), Vasa (Billing Boats) Construction logs: Vasa (Billing Boats) Pride of Baltimore II (M. Shipways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share #745 Posted January 29, 2014 Hi Karleop, I haven't started on those yet so I'm afraid I can't be of any help. Not yet anyway. Looking forward to follow your build and hope you will start a log. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 30, 2014 Share #746 Posted January 30, 2014 Karl, By all means start a build log. I went and looked at mine and I would suggest using the smaller pulleys on the smaller of the bitts. If you use the bigger ones on the small bitts you won't have any strength left to the wood as the opening will be too large. NMBROOK, clipper, NAZGÛL and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share #747 Posted January 30, 2014 Thanks for the suggestion Mark. Ill also keep that in mind. Mark, how did you do regarding the cannons? DId you use the ones in the kit or replace them? Lawrence, I wish that was my deck, but I ment that I will start maping the cannons on the 1:10, and I used a pic of that model to show the difference between the cannons on the upper deck. Sorry for the confusion and I'll try to be more clear. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karleop Posted January 31, 2014 Share #748 Posted January 31, 2014 Hi Matti and Mark: Thanks for your suggestion Mark, Now I must to considered how to distribute the pulleys in the bitts because the number of pieces. By the way, I see your Wasa model in the gallery and looks very nice. Matti, anyway will be interesting to see what you will do when you get to this point. Knowing your interest in having the most accurate model probably you will modified the bitts because in the museum pictures they appear with four (the 3 singles ones) and two (the 2 doubles) pulleys per bitt instead of two and one in the model Thanks both of you for your suggestion to begin a new log. Muchos saludos!! NAZGÛL and WackoWolf 2 Quote Finished Models (Gallery): Pandora (Constructo), HMS Endeavour (AL), San FranciscoII (AL), Fishing boat (scratch), Vasa (Billing Boats) Construction logs: Vasa (Billing Boats) Pride of Baltimore II (M. Shipways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted January 31, 2014 Share #749 Posted January 31, 2014 Heyas Karl!. So you finally decided to post here. I'm so glad. So you finally decided to tackle that Vasa. Good. There are some really and I mean REALLY good build logs of the Vasa here, and the discussions are an infinite source of knowledge. Nice to see you here! Plans to come to Monterrey soon? Greetings Ulises NAZGÛL 1 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted January 31, 2014 Share #750 Posted January 31, 2014 Nice video about Vasa model builder, made by Vasa museum: NAZGÛL, mtaylor, Nirvana and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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