robdurant Posted November 15, 2018 #31 Posted November 15, 2018 Aggie's looking great, Ian. Hope you don't mind if I follow along. Neat solution with the guns. Rob Quote Current build(s): Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler "Erycina" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) Paused on the lofting floor: HMS Bristol Portland class 50-Gun Ship (Scratch build, 1:64) Paused builds: Barque "Stefano" (MarisStella, 1:63) / Trawler "Nordkap" (Billings Boats, 1:50) / HMS Triton 28 gun frigate cross section (1:64) / F138, HMS Rapid Type 15 Fast Anti-Submarine Frigate (based on above Deans Marine hull, semi-scratch, 1:96) / HMS Mercury (1779) (Shipyard Models, Paper, 1:96) Previous builds: ἈΘΗΝΑ (Athena) (6th Century B.C.) Greek Bireme (Dusek, 1:72) / Zulu "Lady Isabella" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) / HMS Ethalion (1797) from HMS Diana (Caldercraft, 1:64) / HM Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft, 1:64) / Completed partially built Royal Yacht Caroline (Panart, 1:47) / HM Schooner Pickle (Caldercraft, 1:64) / M32, HMS Cottesmore MCMV (Sirmar / Fleetscale, Semi-scratch, 1:48) / D98, HMS York, Type 42 Destroyer (Dragon with White Ensign Photoetch, 1:700) / K166, HMCS Snowberry Flower Class Corvette (Revell, 1:72) / R97, HMS Grenville Fleet Destroyer (Deans Marine, 1:96)
Vicnelson Posted November 16, 2018 Author #32 Posted November 16, 2018 Rob thanks for kind comments - please follow along. Quote
Mirabell61 Posted November 16, 2018 #33 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) hi Ian, thats a beautiful build and a beautiful picture illustration too. Very well done !! Love those sights to the landscape surroundings, your comments and the seasons as they come and go, even wild life in the garden..... Wish you all the best with the further rigging Nils Edited November 16, 2018 by Mirabell61 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
als2019 Posted November 23, 2018 #34 Posted November 23, 2018 Hi Vic, I'm still following, still impressed with your build. Looking fwd to reports of your visit to HMS Victory. I'm still tempted to tackle that build. but have to get past my latest 'Bounty' first. Quote
Louie da fly Posted November 24, 2018 #36 Posted November 24, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 6:47 AM, Vicnelson said: I'm off to Portsmouth in early December to visit HMS Victory. Planning to take my 'good' camera to take a few snaps (if allowed) of bits and pieces to help with my Agamemnon build. If anyone has any requests while I'm there I'll do my best to take a photo and post it. When we visited her in 2009 and were shown around below decks the guide asked not to take photos. It didn't stop one tour member with a huge expensive camera taking photos of everything in sight . . . So officially it's frowned upon, but perhaps if you wrote to them first and explained what you wanted and why, you might get a sympathetic hearing. Also photos taken from "outside" (presumably what you mostly want) might be more acceptable. Steven Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Vicnelson Posted November 26, 2018 Author #37 Posted November 26, 2018 Steven Thanks for heads up. I'll check with them before the visit. Ian Quote
Vicnelson Posted November 26, 2018 Author #38 Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) Finally the 18 pounders are finished; took me a lot longer than planned. Mainly due to having to widen the gun tackle anchor points as the blocks kept meeting before fully tensioned. You can see the original anchor points, now painted over. Perhaps smaller hooks and blocks next time. The rope coil factory at work... And top deck glued in place and setting with a few improvised weights. I've tied off some sheets and tacks early to avoid the tricky attachment to the gun deck cleats through the boat deck. Getting there.... Edited November 26, 2018 by Vicnelson GrandpaPhil, mort stoll, kier and 4 others 7 Quote
Vicnelson Posted December 1, 2018 Author #39 Posted December 1, 2018 Going well - top deck in. ..then disaster snapped my working light...arghh! All stop until replacement arrives...... egkb, channell and Beef Wellington 3 Quote
Vicnelson Posted December 3, 2018 Author #40 Posted December 3, 2018 Hurrah - back in action. BLACK VIKING, ccoyle, mort stoll and 1 other 4 Quote
Vicnelson Posted January 9, 2019 Author #41 Posted January 9, 2019 Quietly working away. Poop deck installed and top deck completed but I'm going to change the 'safety' rails around the top deck stairwells and use Sandecott's design instead. They look too flimsy to me. Also I've stolen my wife's spare hairdryer (not shown) to keep the finished part of the model clean after sanding /fitting new parts. I hope she doesn't find out until I'm finished with it. GrandpaPhil, BenD, Tigersteve and 6 others 9 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted January 10, 2019 #42 Posted January 10, 2019 Looking good Ian, you're really motoring now! Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
Vicnelson Posted February 26, 2019 Author #43 Posted February 26, 2019 Finally after a year's work the hull is finished. Ship's boats next and then onto the masts! I'm not planning to fix the figurehead in place until the bowsprit is in. petervisser, mort stoll, kier and 9 others 12 Quote
Vicnelson Posted May 25, 2019 Author #44 Posted May 25, 2019 I've been away from the forum for a while now. Lots on with life getting in the way of modelling! Now back working on Aggie. That's the boats finished and have started on masts. Boats not attached yet, will do once bulk of rigging completed. chris watton, mort stoll, egkb and 3 others 6 Quote
Henke Posted May 26, 2019 #45 Posted May 26, 2019 Pleased to see you are back, Vic. Your nice build log has inspired me to take on Agamemnon although my skills are not near yours. The progress you have done in a year is fantastic. i will probably not be at rigging until 2025 🙂. I follow your build log with great interest. Regards Henrik Quote "The secret of getting ahead is getting started" - Mark Twain
Vicnelson Posted May 26, 2019 Author #46 Posted May 26, 2019 Hi Henrik Thanks for your very kind comments. Good luck with your Agamemnon; it's really a great kit to work with. As for skills I'm in awe of many of the other builders on this forum; I just keep plodding along. It's amazing how a lick of paint can cover up the occasional Oops! Thanks for following the build log. Ian (aka Vic) Quote
Vicnelson Posted August 13, 2019 Author #47 Posted August 13, 2019 Significant moment. Aggie has been transferred to the rigging out table and onto a 'lazy susan'. In reality a little work bench I have that is slightly higher than my normal worktop and a revolving board I stole from our kitchen. Lower masts are installed and I've started on the standing rigging. Captain Poison, Edwardkenway, GrandpaPhil and 5 others 8 Quote
Vicnelson Posted August 20, 2019 Author #48 Posted August 20, 2019 Working away on the foremast. However, not too happy with bow/arc on forestay preventer - any ideas how to fix? JpR62, chris watton, Henke and 5 others 8 Quote
Henke Posted August 21, 2019 #49 Posted August 21, 2019 Hi Ian, This looks really good. Could you please post a close-up picture of the fixing of the crowsfeet the fore preventer stay? In Allan Sandercott's build log http://www.sandercott.ca/modelships/agamemnon/agamemnon_build_page7.php there is a picture of the crowsfeet attachment to the preventer stay. Is it possible to create a little bit more tension in the preventer stay by applying a bit more pulling force from the upper end of the preventer stay? The "arc/bow" is created too little force taken by the preventer stay above where the crowsfeet are attached too the preventer stay compared to what is taken through the crowsfeet. If you can achieve this the tensile force elongation in the upper part of the preventer stay above the the crowsfeet attachment will take off force from the crowsfeet. This was difficult to explain. I will try make an illustration. I will come back on this. I have to go to work now ☹️. Regards Henrik Quote "The secret of getting ahead is getting started" - Mark Twain
Henke Posted August 21, 2019 #50 Posted August 21, 2019 I think the bow/arc is caused by too much tension in the crowsfeet in relation to the tension in forestay preventer attaching to the fore mast. Maybe it is difficult release tension in crowsfeet but when the main top mast stay is in place it will pull the foremast backwards. What if you pull the foremast back below the trestle tree? Does the bow/arc improve? We want a nice tension in the crowsfeet without any sagging but the angle/bend of the forestay preventer should be small compared to the angle between crowsfeet and forestay preventer. If we look at this as a mechanic problem there are three forces which act on the point where the crowsfeet connect to the forestay preventer. Fa is the force in the forestay preventer towards the bowsprit, Fb the force in the upper part of the forestay preventer stay connecting to the foremast and Fc which is the force in the crowsfeet. What we want is an angle alpha much smaller than the angle beta. The only forces which act in the y-direction are Fb and Fc. Applying Newton's first law one can prove that Fc/Fb=sin (alpha)/sin (beta) I would try to increase Fb (tension in the forestay preventer attaching to the foremast). I hope I have not been too long-winded. The NRG motto is "Advancing Ship Modeling Through Research" 🙂. Thanks Ian for posting. This will help me when I eventually reach rigging of my Agamemnon. Regards Henrik Quote "The secret of getting ahead is getting started" - Mark Twain
Beef Wellington Posted August 21, 2019 #51 Posted August 21, 2019 Ian, from my experience, getting sufficient tension in rope at this scale is pretty tough as it will put a lot (likely too much) strain on the mounting points - at small scales the relative force of the thread is much more than at full scale . I suggest the following, before attaching the crowsfeet, soak them in dilute PVA while under tension, that way when dry they will retain their taught profile without actually requiring much in the way of tension from the fore stay preventer. You should then be able re-attach avoiding the bow that you see . You could also use the dilute PVA on the standing rigging to introduce a more lifelike 'sag' but that's down to personal taste. Henke 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
Vicnelson Posted August 25, 2019 Author #52 Posted August 25, 2019 Loaded up these photos earlier in week but didn't seem to take! All re-tensioned and PVA applied... many thanks. Much better result. Tigersteve, egkb, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote
Vicnelson Posted October 4, 2019 Author #53 Posted October 4, 2019 Pottering away on lower mast rigging....going slower than expected due to number of trips away to meet family etc. petervisser, JamesT1, Edwardkenway and 7 others 10 Quote
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