Louie da fly Posted November 8, 2020 #271 Posted November 8, 2020 Very nice work, Marcus. flying_dutchman2 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Baker Posted November 8, 2020 #272 Posted November 8, 2020 The more I read about the ship type "fluit" the more respect I get for the people who build them, both in the past and in the present. What a difficult shape to build Congrats with this model Marcus Louie da fly and flying_dutchman2 2 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
flying_dutchman2 Posted November 14, 2020 Author #273 Posted November 14, 2020 Thanks for all the likes and comments. Small update. Painted all the windows yellow ochre. Inserted the single and double blocks in upper area of the hull. The area where the single blocks are located will be painted 'An Dyk' green. I don't know the name of this but installed a small rectangular piece of wood with a hole for rope in between the upper wales. Marcus GrandpaPhil, RdK, cog and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted December 4, 2020 Author #274 Posted December 4, 2020 Thanks for all the likes and wonderful comments. Building the bowsprite. I find this part on of the most demanding exercise of building a scratch ship model. I always double or triple the pieces of wood that make up the bowsprite. I always break one or two. I have glued some of the paper templates to the wood. I will make them out of walnut and cherry. Marcus RdK, Baker, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted December 10, 2020 Author #275 Posted December 10, 2020 Thanks for all the likes and comments. Cut out and rough sanded all the cheeks from walnut and some extra pieces from cherry and basswood. I use the basswood and cherry pieces as practice. Once these pieces fit I will take and compare them to the walnut cheeks, fine sanding where needed and glue them together. I know this is a lot of work but it is my way of getting it right It has been warm these last two days so all the cutting and rough sanding was done outside. Marcus G.L., Archi, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 4, 2021 Author #276 Posted January 4, 2021 Thanks for all the likes and comments. After all the cheeks were rough sanded, I started to dry fit the bottom cheeks. When everything fit I glued each side in place. The next day I sanded the bottom cheeks and dry fitted the second layer of the cheeks, glued in place and the following day sanded that and did the same for the 3rd, 4th,and fifth cheek layer. This process has taken me 3 weeks. Also my first attempt a lion from Sculpey, looks more like a monster. I see that it needs work. With Christmas did not work much on the Zeehaen. I spent several nice days in December outsie with my newly acquired bandsaw from WEN. Most of the wood I got from my woodworkers club has been sawn in 3, 5, 7 an 10mm planks. Next will be the grating that is inside the cheeks. Marcus mtaylor, RdK, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Louie da fly Posted January 5, 2021 #277 Posted January 5, 2021 She's looking really good, Marcus. Having followed your build, I've decided that no matter how beautiful a fluit may be, I really don't think I want to take one on. Just TOO difficult getting the shape right. I take my hat off to you for your persistence - and your courage in ripping stuff off and starting again till you get it right. Steven mtaylor and flying_dutchman2 1 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 6, 2021 Author #278 Posted January 6, 2021 Thanks for all the likes and Steven, thanks for the compliment. Speak of ripping stuff off, after installing all the cheeks I noticed I had forgotten the anchor rope holes. So without removing the bowsprite and the cheeks I removed the little deck, drilled 4 holes with great difficulty, reinstalled everything and need to let dry overnight so I can sand and shape the area. Marcus G.L., GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Louie da fly Posted January 6, 2021 #279 Posted January 6, 2021 You're a legend, mate! flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 1 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 8, 2021 Author #280 Posted January 8, 2021 After cutting off excess wood on the little deck and sanding the area, I installed the knees and lastly the grating floor. Marcus G.L., GrandpaPhil, YankeeD and 5 others 8 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Landlubber Mike Posted January 8, 2021 #281 Posted January 8, 2021 Looking great! Very complicated to scratch build that - nice job! flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 1 1 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
Meriadoc Brandybuck Posted January 9, 2021 #282 Posted January 9, 2021 Recently came across this and I'm loving what you're achieving here! I'd like to build a fluyt someday (perhaps after some practice with one of the Kolderstok kits). Can't wait to see more of how this lovely lady takes her shape. The beakhead and head timbers are coming together quite nicely! flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 1 1 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 9, 2021 Author #283 Posted January 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Meriadoc Brandybuck said: Recently came across this and I'm loving what you're achieving here! I'd like to build a fluyt someday (perhaps after some practice with one of the Kolderstok kits). Can't wait to see more of how this lovely lady takes her shape. The beakhead and head timbers are coming together quite nicely! Thank you so much for the compliment. Kolderstok is in the process of creating a Fluit. It is the same one as I am building here. Marcus Meriadoc Brandybuck and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Jean-Pierre Posted January 10, 2021 #284 Posted January 10, 2021 Marcus, It is visible that your skills are improving fast, and I also think that your new equipment gives you an extra boost. Congratulations. By the way, I wonder how the Kolderstok model will be like. What scale will it be? Probably smaller than your model. Anyway, it will probably be a better model than the 2 existing flute models (Segal's Baleinera Olandesa and Euromodel of Como's Derfflinger) but then again these models cry for improvement, which of course is part of the fun. I think it is time for me to restart my own model, the now named Poolsterre! I noticed that it is actually a little more advanced than the latest posted pics. Tot ziens, hoop ik. mtaylor, flying_dutchman2 and Landlubber Mike 3 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 11, 2021 Author #285 Posted January 11, 2021 Jean-Pierre, Here is the link. Big discussion on the reason why the Fluit was built the way she was built. As so many sources say that her narrow deck was so a Fluit payed less toll. Totally Wrong. https://www.modelbouwforum.nl/threads/17e-eeuwse-fluyt-kolderstok.274136/ Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Jean-Pierre Posted January 12, 2021 #286 Posted January 12, 2021 Thanks for the link, Marcus. I read that there were 2 build logs on Modelbouwforum but could not spot them. Too bad! The discussion why their deck was so small is not conclusive. In my opinion, and I am sure you will have come to a similar conclusion, there must have been a very obvious reason to build such an intricate hull shape. The original merchant ships would, I think, been made as simple as possible to reduce costs. Another possible reason may have been stability at sea, or quite simply, ...to have the chain plates preserved from contact with the quay (kaai). Happy building. Note: I thought the kit by Kolderstok was going to be the Zeehaen, and that Mr. Hoving was making the drafts. But the draft on the forum page shows a ship without a beak, which the Zeehaen has! mtaylor and flying_dutchman2 1 1 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 19, 2021 Author #287 Posted January 19, 2021 Jean-Pierre, I will check which Fluit, Kolderstok will make a kit from. Stability, probably. Big round hips for lots of cargo. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
cog Posted January 19, 2021 #288 Posted January 19, 2021 JP I was thinking amongst the same line, i.e. stability. Getting a wide hull, has two advantages over a v-shaped one: the centre of gravity is moved further down, it can carry more cargo, and it is far harder to make the ship tilt with a comaparative wide lower section. I don't think that protecting the chainplates would be a major reason to build the hull in such a way. mtaylor 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 21, 2021 Author #289 Posted January 21, 2021 I also read in an article about the architecture of the ship that the high walls of the hull made it more difficult to illegally board the ship. The crew was much better protected. Marcus cog 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 22, 2021 Author #290 Posted January 22, 2021 Worked on the rudder and created 6 gudgeons and pintels from brass bars which were 1/64" thick and 3/32" wide. The top 3 were sanded lightly and painted with matt black oil paint. The bottom 3 and the bottom part of the hull will be painted dirty white. Started working on the different decks. Lots of measuring. Yesterday it was in the upper 40's so I put the bandsaw outside and cut 3 inch cedar planks down to an inch thick each. Made 2 birdhouses. They will probably be occupied by the many wren's I have. Marcus G.L., cog, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 27, 2021 Author #291 Posted January 27, 2021 Thanks for all the likes and comments. I was reading the book from Mondfeld and on the pages of the "Head" he talkes about the "seats of ease", the latrines on a ship. He says that modelers rarely add this item. There is a modeler on MSW that built the Victory and he has added them on the head. I checked the plans of the Zeehaen again and wondered if Cor Emke had added this to the head. I did notice a circle on each side of the head and wondered if that was it. So I researched examples on other ships and it is rare that you find anything about it. I did find an article about Queens Ann Revenge wreck and divers had located a porta potty of that ship. I decided to create 2 seats of ease and installed them on the head. Marcus mtaylor, GrandpaPhil, Meriadoc Brandybuck and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
Meriadoc Brandybuck Posted January 27, 2021 #292 Posted January 27, 2021 Looks appropriate. flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 1 1 Quote
mtaylor Posted January 27, 2021 #293 Posted January 27, 2021 Marcus, It does look like those are the "seats of ease" in drawing. Your solution looks good. flying_dutchman2, RdK and cog 2 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Baker Posted January 28, 2021 #294 Posted January 28, 2021 16 hours ago, flying_dutchman2 said: I did notice a circle on each side of the head and wondered if that was it. Maybe this was an early form of seats of ease (seats of "not so" ease 😉) mtaylor, RdK and flying_dutchman2 3 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
Meriadoc Brandybuck Posted February 2, 2021 #295 Posted February 2, 2021 Don't you need holes for the gammoning, or will it fit through your grating there? mtaylor 1 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted February 10, 2021 Author #296 Posted February 10, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 7:16 AM, Meriadoc Brandybuck said: Don't you need holes for the gammoning, or will it fit through your grating there? There is one oval hole for that, you just can't see it. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted February 10, 2021 Author #297 Posted February 10, 2021 Thanks for all the likes and comments. Added a layer of sanding sealer to the outside of the hull. The advantage for me is that when I paint any area of the hull and accidentally get paint on an area which is not to be painted, it wipes off easily without leaving anything behind. The blue thing is a silicone ice cube tray and it is where I keep the paint I use in. Painted the upper area of the hull and the little windows on the stern. Colors used: Yellow Ochre, Chrome Oxide Green and Cadmium Red Deep Hue. I ran out of maple for the deck planks so instead I am using Baltic Birch which is also nice and light in color, 1/32" (0.79mm) thick. Cut strips of 200mm L, by 6mm W and darkened one edge of it. I know it is not the conventional planking method but it works for me and the end result is about the same. Next I will start making the different deck items. Marcus G.L., Baker, Roger Pellett and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
RdK Posted February 12, 2021 #298 Posted February 12, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 9:59 PM, flying_dutchman2 said: Also my first attempt a lion from Sculpey, looks more like a monster. I see that it needs work. I wonder what is easier, sculpturing it from model clay or carving it out of wood? I plan to use sculpturing model clay for my Neptune build, but am ver afraid to produce "monsters"... Looking forward to seeing your next attempt! And if you could also let us know how you did it? Rgds, Radek flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 1 1 Quote
Louie da fly Posted February 14, 2021 #299 Posted February 14, 2021 RdK - I just had a look at your Neptune log. That's a LOT of carvings! Whether you use sculpey or carved wood, don't expect your first effort to be satisfactory. But keep it - to remind yourself how far you've come. Given the large number of carvings, I'd think sculpey would be preferable because it's easier to work. Carving wood is very labour-intensive (don't ask me how I know - just look at my dromon build log). The precision of finish with sculpey isn't as good, at least initially, but in my view the big advantage is that you can "rough out" the shape of the item much more quickly than with carving, and with experience you'll get better and better at it. And when it's dried, you can come back to it and tidy up the detail with a scalpel and sanding. You will produce monsters to start with, but unless you're very good with carving tools you'd do the same with wood anyhow. So my recommendation would be to try sculpey and see whether you're happy with it - and don't let a few setbacks put you off. Steven Meriadoc Brandybuck, mtaylor and flying_dutchman2 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
flying_dutchman2 Posted February 15, 2021 Author #300 Posted February 15, 2021 Steven, Thanks for the comment and I agree with you on the Sculpey subject. I'm just not very good with carving figures. I attempted this with basswood in my Statenjacht Utrecht built and most of the carvings look more like 2D than 3D. What I like about building just merchant ships is that there is a minimal amount of ornamentations. The Zeehaen has a few here and there. On a Dutch site, modelbouwforum.nl there is a advanced builder who built "het wapen van Hamburg", he has posted a tutorial on how to do faces in Sculpey. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
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