Ab Hoving Posted January 8, 2020 Share #121 Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) Excellent Marcus, you are on the right track now! Next be aware that your real planks should curve upwards to the stern to get the sheer you want. Always keep an eye on the lines.... Edited January 8, 2020 by Ab Hoving tarbrush, mtaylor and FriedClams 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share #122 Posted January 8, 2020 20 hours ago, Louie da fly said: Very impressive, Marcus. I'm following this design evolution with great interest. I'm not sure I have the courage to pull apart and rebuild to the degree you're doing it. Steven Steven, Either I do a drastic re-do or start all over again. If I left it the way it was the area would be too much of an angle instead of straight up. I have learned a lot from the drastic re-do as I want to build another Fluit and it will be much easier knowing what I should look out for. Marcus GrandpaPhil and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share #123 Posted January 8, 2020 15 hours ago, Ab Hoving said: Excellent Marcus, you are on the right track now! Next be aware that your real planks should curve upwards to the stern to get the sheer you want. Always keep an eye on the lines.... Ab, Thank you for the encouragement and as always, thank you for your guidance in building this ship. Marcus mtaylor and tarbrush 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Pierre Posted January 9, 2020 Share #124 Posted January 9, 2020 Fantastic recovery action! You are on the right track now. But don't rush it... mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share #125 Posted January 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Jean-Pierre said: Fantastic recovery action! You are on the right track now. But don't rush it... Jean-Pierre, Thank you, and yes, the recovery process is working out. I am doing this very slow with lots of dry runs. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share #126 Posted January 9, 2020 After measuring and remeasuring, doing some more dry runs and staring at it, I laid out the frame pieces needed to built up the area. Stared at it some more and dry fitted one more time, I glued the frame parts one by one with Tightbond III glue (over kill). Clamped the frames making sure they fitted exactly where they are supposed to be. The planks are dry fitted so I know how the contours of the frames are and that it all fits. I am satisfied with how it all looks. The hips of the ship are round. It is definitely different compared to what I did in the first place. I will do the other side tomorrow. Marcus G.L., Jack12477, bruce d and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share #127 Posted January 10, 2020 The frame pieces are straight and it glued up nicely. Some areas on the frames need to be lightly sanded. Did the same process for the opposite side. The metal pieces go through the planking and frame pieces. The 90 degree angle keeps the frame pieces from moving down into the hull. Marcus bruce d, G.L., GrandpaPhil and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted January 11, 2020 Share #128 Posted January 11, 2020 Oh, very clever! Steven mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted January 11, 2020 Share #129 Posted January 11, 2020 Marcus, Why do your four forward frames curve inwards at the top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share #130 Posted January 11, 2020 14 hours ago, Ab Hoving said: Marcus, Why do your four forward frames curve inwards at the top? Ab, That area will be removed as it is higher than the top of the railing of the taffrail template. I can always add more to the top if I have to. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share #131 Posted January 16, 2020 Started planking the area. I cut out a small area where the walnut plank will be installed and curved lightly upward and follow the shear I am slowly planking, making sure that it its a tight fit. Marcus bruce d, Baker, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Pierre Posted January 17, 2020 Share #132 Posted January 17, 2020 Looks much better than your previous attempt. By the way, you may be interested by some pics of my own build of a flute (on this forum: see Dutch Whaler by Jean-Pierre: I tried to add the link, but the program keeps changing the address into an image of said build log) You might be interested by the way I made the short bends at the stern. Anyway, I strongly suggest that you also glue the battens to each other, which hugely reinforces the first planking. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share #133 Posted January 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Jean-Pierre said: Looks much better than your previous attempt. By the way, you may be interested by some pics of my own build of a flute (on this forum: see Dutch Whaler by Jean-Pierre: I tried to add the link, but the program keeps changing the address into an image of said build log) You might be interested by the way I made the short bends at the stern. Anyway, I strongly suggest that you also glue the battens to each other, which hugely reinforces the first planking. Thank you for the complement. Yes, I checked your build and I am impressed with how you build her. It is not an easy ship to built. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share #134 Posted January 17, 2020 Slowly planking up and after the hips the planks go straight up. Again, she looks much better and the planks come together in a point behind the taffrail. Top view Marcus mtaylor, Elijah, Baker and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 17, 2020 Share #135 Posted January 17, 2020 You nailed it! So much better than the first attempt. Jan mtaylor and Baker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share #136 Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, amateur said: You nailed it! So much better than the first attempt. Jan Thanks 😀, Jan and I got good advice from the 'man' who has built several of them. Marcus GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, Omega1234 and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted January 18, 2020 Share #137 Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) A wonderful job, Marcus! I can't wait to see her after second planking. She's going to be very beautiful. As an Australian, I find this build fascinating. My first history book when I was in primary school in Western Australia was called "Australia since 1606" and I heard all about the Dirk Hartog and de Vlamingh silver plates and I've since seen the latter one in the shipwreck Museum in Fremantle, along with the relics of the Batavia, Zuytdorp and Vergulde Draeck. And of course Rottnest Island and the Swan River where I grew up were named by Vlamingh. Steven Edited January 18, 2020 by Louie da fly mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 18, 2020 Share #138 Posted January 18, 2020 15 hours ago, Jean-Pierre said: Looks much better than your previous attempt. By the way, you may be interested by some pics of my own build of a flute (on this forum: see Dutch Whaler by Jean-Pierre: I tried to add the link, but the program keeps changing the address into an image of said build log) You might be interested by the way I made the short bends at the stern. Anyway, I strongly suggest that you also glue the battens to each other, which hugely reinforces the first planking. The image is the link, Jean-Pierre. If you want it be just a link, down near the bottom of the box is black that will say something like "this is rich text, to post as text click here". Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted January 18, 2020 Share #139 Posted January 18, 2020 Congratulations Markus. This time it will work. The 'man' 🙂 Baker and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.L. Posted January 18, 2020 Share #140 Posted January 18, 2020 Marcus, I see you tree nailed the planks. Is that already the upper layer of planks? mtaylor 1 Quote G.L. Current projects: Oostends schipje (Ostend shrimper) - scale 1:20 Clipper d'Argenteuil - POF - scale 1/15 - SMALL Completed projects: Norwegian Whale Boat - POF - scale 1/10 - SMALL Anatomy of a boat by G.L. - scale 1/10 - POF - SMALL Day gaff sailing boat with center board - FINISHED - SMALL - scale 1/10 Cross section fishing smack - FINISHED -scale 1:20HMS Triton cross section - FINISHED - Scale 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share #141 Posted January 18, 2020 14 hours ago, Louie da fly said: A wonderful job, Marcus! I can't wait to see her after second planking. She's going to be very beautiful. As an Australian, I find this build fascinating. My first history book when I was in primary school in Western Australia was called "Australia since 1606" and I heard all about the Dirk Hartog and de Vlamingh silver plates and I've since seen the latter one in the shipwreck Museum in Fremantle, along with the relics of the Batavia, Zuytdorp and Vergulde Draeck. And of course Rottnest Island and the Swan River where I grew up were named by Vlamingh. Steven Steven, Thanks for the compliment. Over the course of this build I've been reading a lot about the Dutch Ship wrecks on the coast of Australia and the museum in Fremantle pops up constantly (just need to visit it all....... one of these days... ). Museums in Australia have a wealth of information about the Dutch. Furthermore, many PhD dissertations in marine archeology are written about Dutch Ship wrecks in and around Australia and most of these papers are free. Because you like this build, you need to check out Jean-Pierre's beautiful build. In the search area, type Dutch whaler. It is a good looking model. Everything is nice and round. No straight lines. The second planking will be cherry (which will darken over time), and walnut for the wales. But first I need to install the decks and figure out where the masts will be placed. Marcus mtaylor and Omega1234 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share #142 Posted January 18, 2020 12 hours ago, Ab Hoving said: Congratulations Markus. This time it will work. The 'man' 🙂 Thanks Ab. She looks so much better and the lines flow much nicer. As I wrote in Stevens reply, I will start on the decks now and install some of the inside the hull planking, that is the area on the main deck and the rest of the upper decks. Marcus mtaylor 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share #143 Posted January 18, 2020 11 hours ago, G.L. said: Marcus, I see you tree nailed the planks. Is that already the upper layer of planks? G. L., Upper layer of planks? Do you mean the second layer of planking or the first layer of planking but up towards the taffrail mould? My tree nais are toothpicks cut in half with a razor blade. Marcus G.L. 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.L. Posted January 19, 2020 Share #144 Posted January 19, 2020 16 hours ago, flying_dutchman2 said: G. L., Upper layer of planks? Do you mean the second layer of planking or the first layer of planking but up towards the taffrail mould? My tree nais are toothpicks cut in half with a razor blade. Marcus I mean the final layer. The layerthat will remain visible. mtaylor 1 Quote G.L. Current projects: Oostends schipje (Ostend shrimper) - scale 1:20 Clipper d'Argenteuil - POF - scale 1/15 - SMALL Completed projects: Norwegian Whale Boat - POF - scale 1/10 - SMALL Anatomy of a boat by G.L. - scale 1/10 - POF - SMALL Day gaff sailing boat with center board - FINISHED - SMALL - scale 1/10 Cross section fishing smack - FINISHED -scale 1:20HMS Triton cross section - FINISHED - Scale 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share #145 Posted January 19, 2020 8 hours ago, G.L. said: I mean the final layer. The layerthat will remain visible. Final layer not on yet. I plan to do the decks and the railings first because I will be moving the model a lot just to get the decks in the correct position. I don't want to dent the 2nd layer planking. Marcus mtaylor and G.L. 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share #146 Posted January 20, 2020 This jig measures the height and checks if both sides are level. Both sides have to be even. Besides measuring the height of both sides, I also draw the waterline on the hull and with pushpins attach planks to the edge of the waterline. From the plans I measure the distance from the waterline to the top of the railing. Then I transfer that figure to the ship. Lets me know how much wood I need to remove or add. Marcus bruce d, mtaylor, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share #147 Posted January 27, 2020 Figuring the location of the decks. Starting at the waterline I measure between decks on the plan and transfer that number to the same location on the outside of the hull. Once all locations are marked with a pencil, I drill a tiny hole in the hull. I do the same for the other side of the hull. Stick a stainless steel rod through all the holes which give me an idea of where the decks will be. (From my Woodworkers club, a steel worker gave me stainless steel rods from sizes 0.3mm to 2mm) I just cut them in smaller lengths. Made deck templates from cherry veneer and put them where the permanent decks will be. The rods are temporary. Notches will be made where the tiny holes are located and a deck beam will be installed there. Then a new deck will be installed. On a different note. From the 10th to the 24th of February I will be in New Delhi, India. The first week is sight seeing and in the second week there will be a 3 day wedding. My niece is getting married in a traditional Indian wedding. I am the only paternal uncle and I have a crucial role to play. I will be giving the bride away. My wife and I have all the necessary clothing to wear for the occasion. Indian weddings must be one of the costliest occasions compared to other types of weddings. Feed 300 and counting guests for 3 days. Our clothes are in the frugal range of $$ but the wedding dress can go from simple to having gold strings sewed into them. My guess is that my niece's dress will not be cheap. Anyway, it is going to be an interesting affair. Marcus GrandpaPhil, G.L., Omega1234 and 7 others 10 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share #148 Posted February 2, 2020 Before I do another 'radical re-do', I have the following question for the modelers who have built a Fluit. When I am facing the ship with the taffrail/stern in front of me, on the left side from frame 50 to the taffrail the upper planking goes straight up. Facing the taffrail/stern again, on the right side. From frame 50 to frame 20 the top planking is at an angle and from frame 20 to the taffrail the planking goes straight up. Question: Do I need to do a drastic removal from the area on the right side from frame 50 to 20 and reinstall new frames, so when I plank that area the planks will go straight up? I am tempted to do this as it is easy to execute and doesn't take up a lot of time. On the pictures uploaded here, you can't really tell the angled planks to the straight up planks. On several pictures in the Merchant book it looks that way, not angled but straight up. Thanks for the suggestions in advance, Marcus Landlubber Mike, GrandpaPhil, Omega1234 and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ab Hoving Posted February 2, 2020 Share #149 Posted February 2, 2020 Seems to me that at least you should try to get both sides equal. The truth is in the draught... Baker, Ondras71, Landlubber Mike and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share #150 Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ab Hoving said: Seems to me that at least you should try to get both sides equal. The truth is in the draught... Thanks for the suggestion. I will do the radical re-do and get the planking going straight up. I think it would look much better that way. Marcus mtaylor, Elijah and Baker 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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