Osmosis Posted February 20, 2020 Share #61 Posted February 20, 2020 What method are you using for bending those beautiful ribs? Quote Art Smith Current Build: E.M. White Guide Canoe - Canoe Model Kits, San Francisco Cross Section - Artesania Latina Completed: Peterboro Canoe - Midwest , Hobbyzone Organizers and Building Jigs, Guns of History Naval Smoothbore, 1st Build: Midwest Sakonnet Daysailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share #62 Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Osmosis said: What method are you using for bending those beautiful ribs? What has worked for me so far: 1) Boil tea kettle of water 2) pour water into travel coffee mug with the wood lengths standing up but weighted down with clip (so it doesn't float) 3) set timer kitchen timer for 5 minutes 4) wait mostly five minutes or longer, remove from water and slowly manipulate a slight curvature 5) place curvature into canoe and make sure the wood strip is in contact with the bottom and sides of canoe correctly 6) clamp with clothespin (any other clamp was leaving a dent in the wood) 7) let dry thoroughly (approx. 30-45 minutes to be safe - my woodstove keeps that room roughly 80F) 8) remove clamps and glue ribs and fingers to boat 9) repeat, repeat, repeat ( I was doing about 5 at a time) BobG, JeffT, Osmosis and 3 others 6 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted February 20, 2020 Share #63 Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Osmosis said: What method are you using for bending those beautiful ribs? One of the things I finding out about building model boats is that there are many good ways to do things. Modelers seem to find their favorite means of doing something through trial and error. Dave has found, at least on this particular model, that soaking the wood frames and clamping them until it dries works well for him in bending the frames. Many modelers use soaking and clamping successfully to bend wood. I used an Amati plank bending tool to bend the frames on my Indian Girl Canoe. It's one of those tools that looks like a soldering iron with a big, piece of curved metal on the end. I would take a frame and moisten it with a dab of water with my fingers and then gently began to apply heat with the tool while a frame was laying in the curved section of the wood block that comes with the plank bending tool. I would continue to dab it frequently with a little water and rubbing the heating element over the frame while checking the fit of the curve frequently in the canoe. I used medium viscosity CA to glue the frame into place once the fit was close to the correct contour. You need to take care not to scorch the wood. Keeping the heating element moving over a slightly moist surface pretty much prevented any scorching for me. My preferred way to bend wood, however, is Chuck's method of using a hair dryer for dry heat while twisting and bending the wood. This method worked well for me on the Medway Longboat. However, the canoe frames were too small with sharp bends for me to be able to hold them and bend them using dry heat. I preferred the using the plank bending tool method. Bob JeffT, Duanelaker, Osmosis and 2 others 5 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted February 20, 2020 Share #64 Posted February 20, 2020 4 hours ago, BobG said: My preferred way to bend wood, however, is Chuck's method of using a hair dryer for dry heat while twisting and bending the wood. I forgot to add that I also use Chuck's method of using a small iron like a travel iron to bend wood too. If the bend has a curve with and a twist in it, I like to use the hair dryer method. If it's a more straight forward bend, I like to use the travel iron method which also requires wetting the wood slightly with your fingers before heating it up with the iron. Sometimes I use both methods on a single piece of wood that I'm bending. Whatever it takes to get the job done! Bob EricWilliamMarshall, DonInAZ, JeffT and 1 other 4 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share #65 Posted February 23, 2020 A few more ribs...only a few more left. Zarkon, BobG, Moab and 6 others 9 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted February 23, 2020 Share #66 Posted February 23, 2020 Nice Dave! These canoes are so cool! Bob Duanelaker 1 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share #67 Posted February 24, 2020 Finally done with all the ribs...yay! The thwarts are a little more fun 😂 all three are different sizes. I find it amusing a few weeks ago I said i would be complete by the end of the week...there’s more to these little canoes then one might think. BobG, Haliburton, GrandpaPhil and 7 others 10 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun_Pirogue Posted February 24, 2020 Share #68 Posted February 24, 2020 Wow those are a lot of ribs and planks on that little canoe. Looks really good though. Makes me excited to try something like this in the future. Nice work! Osmosis and Duanelaker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted February 24, 2020 Share #69 Posted February 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Duanelaker said: I find it amusing a few weeks ago I said i would be complete by the end of the week...there’s more to these little canoes then one might think. Ain't that the truth! Bob Duanelaker and Osmosis 2 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osmosis Posted February 24, 2020 Share #70 Posted February 24, 2020 Looking good. You should be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel by now. Duanelaker 1 Quote Art Smith Current Build: E.M. White Guide Canoe - Canoe Model Kits, San Francisco Cross Section - Artesania Latina Completed: Peterboro Canoe - Midwest , Hobbyzone Organizers and Building Jigs, Guns of History Naval Smoothbore, 1st Build: Midwest Sakonnet Daysailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted February 24, 2020 Share #71 Posted February 24, 2020 Did some canoeing on Ontario river with friends in Deep River, but completely missed out on the museum in Peterborough on my way down to Toronto. Did it exist already in 2007 ?. The classical book on canoes is btw: ADNEY, E.T.; CHAPPELLE, H.I. (1964): The Bark Canoes and Skin Boats of North America.- XV+240 p., Washington, DC, U.S.A. (Smithsonian Institution Press; reprint 2007 by Skyhorse Publishing Co., New York). And a superbly illustrated book about Adney's canoe models: JENNINGS, J. (2004): Bark Canoes. The Art and Obsession of Tappan Adney.- 152 p., Richmond Hill, Ont. (Firefly Books). Duanelaker and EricWilliamMarshall 2 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted February 24, 2020 Share #72 Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) Great Job so far. Now the fun begins, as you can go in any direction. There a lot of traditional design elements to play with on these Peterboroughs. Wefalck, The museum may have been there but maybe not in its new building. It was a really fantastic museum though, highly recommend. Edited February 24, 2020 by Justin P. BobG and Duanelaker 2 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor1234567890 Posted February 25, 2020 Share #73 Posted February 25, 2020 I have moulds for a full sized version of that boat. I also build a different canoe (Redbird) in 1:1 scale, my biggest building accomplishment to date. Looks pretty sweet with all those little ribs in there. Cheers, Daniel Duanelaker and EricWilliamMarshall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share #74 Posted February 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Sailor1234567890 said: I have moulds for a full sized version of that boat. I also build a different canoe (Redbird) in 1:1 scale, my biggest building accomplishment to date. Looks pretty sweet with all those little ribs in there. Cheers, Daniel Thanks Daniel! Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share #75 Posted February 25, 2020 Finished the last thwart. I had to do it twice since I made it wrong the first time...practice practice. I found holding the sand paper against different round edges on my granite countertops helped with the perfect contour. I also used my wood stove handle to bend my soaked wood pieces that will sit against the “deck” of the canoe...I’m hoping it dries in the piece so I can manipulate easier when I figure out how to install the deck. DonInAZ, GrandpaPhil, yvesvidal and 4 others 7 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share #76 Posted February 26, 2020 A little more progress...and I must say when I first finished the hull I was a little disgusted with the roughness, however she’s really growing on me..lol I added the decks...which I screwed up but was able to hide with the trim that covered the seam. I then worked on the coamings which I had bent the night before. They fit quite nicely. I then installed the floor boards, which were tricky...I started with wood glue but ended up doing CA. I was curious what the best way to apply a small amount of CA is. I like PVA best but I acknowledge that all glues have their space in modeling. I was squirting some out on a plastic cup, I would use a toothpick to apply, but I’m not thrilled with it. Montaigne, Osmosis, BobG and 3 others 6 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted February 26, 2020 Share #77 Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) She going to be a beautiful canoe by the time you're finished, Dave. 34 minutes ago, Duanelaker said: I was curious what the best way to apply a small amount of CA is. I like PVA best but I acknowledge that all glues have their space in modeling. I was squirting some out on a plastic cup, I would use a toothpick to apply, but I’m not thrilled with it. I have applied CA is several ways but mostly with a toothpick the I sliced on an angle to get a really fine point, and I have used a CA glue applicator made specifically for applying CA which looks like it has the eye of a sewing needle that has been cut in half so there is a small, metal, U-shaped end that holds a tiny bit of glue. I also have often used the point of a sharp #11 Xacto knife to apply a very tiny amount of CA into really narrow places like a small gap between two planks. I simply wipe up any excess glue quickly with a small piece of a rag or even my finger on occasion. If you use your finger...wipe fast! Bob Edited February 26, 2020 by BobG Osmosis and Duanelaker 2 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share #78 Posted February 27, 2020 I was able to get one side of the stem and false keel...I think I got that right. first I wet it, used the wood stove handle to manipulate the bend. I then compared it to the plans, wet it again, held it with my finger where it needed to be alittle more curved and worked it over the handle again. I test fit it and it looked good so I glued it with CA. I then trimmed it and sanded it to shape...not bad! Maybe I’ll get the other one on tomorrow...I need to retire so I have more time on my ships lol only 15 years till I can collect a pension 😑 CapnMac82, GrandpaPhil, Montaigne and 6 others 9 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moab Posted February 27, 2020 Share #79 Posted February 27, 2020 I’ve had this kit stored away but now.......I may need to give it a go...Moab Duanelaker and BobG 2 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted February 27, 2020 Share #80 Posted February 27, 2020 31 minutes ago, Duanelaker said: I was able to get one side of the stem and false keel...I think I got that right. first I wet it, used the wood stove handle to manipulate the bend. I then compared it to the plans, wet it again, held it with my finger where it needed to be alittle more curved and worked it over the handle again. Well done, Dave! Bob Duanelaker 1 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moab Posted February 27, 2020 Share #81 Posted February 27, 2020 A real beauty...Moab Duanelaker and BobG 2 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted February 27, 2020 Share #82 Posted February 27, 2020 Looking great. I’m enjoying this build, makes me want to pull my documents out from when I built it and give it a go as a small scratch build. Duanelaker 1 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvesvidal Posted February 27, 2020 Share #83 Posted February 27, 2020 12 hours ago, Justin P. said: Looking great. I’m enjoying this build, makes me want to pull my documents out from when I built it and give it a go as a small scratch build. There is a lot of satisfaction at building a small boat. We always strive for the large and complicated vessel and lose our momentum in the process, most of the time. A small boat is easier built and can be very rewarding as proven by Duane's models. Yves Justin P., dcicero, Duanelaker and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #84 Posted February 29, 2020 I got to finishing the stem and keel. All that’s really left is the finish. I’m not sure what to do honestly with the finish. I have tung oil, and poly. There is alittle CA so not sure what the impact will be. EricWilliamMarshall, yvesvidal, oneslim and 8 others 11 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #85 Posted February 29, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 10:33 AM, yvesvidal said: There is a lot of satisfaction at building a small boat. Yves I will admit I have done these smaller boats for a few reasons... 1) I had never done a wood model before 2) planking intimidates me 3) don’t want to waste a 300$ model 4) my attention span isn’t so good We will see what the future holds. i do think that the support MSW brings to each log is helpful in making me want to finish each project, especially when things aren’t going as planned. - Dave yvesvidal, BobG, EricWilliamMarshall and 1 other 4 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #86 Posted February 29, 2020 Thanks everyone for the kind words and motivation 😊 DonInAZ and Moab 2 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunnehi (Don) Posted February 29, 2020 Share #87 Posted February 29, 2020 Beautiful job, I’m really enjoying following your build! Duanelaker and BobG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted February 29, 2020 Share #88 Posted February 29, 2020 Super well done, Dave. Try a little satin Wipe-on-Poly on some scrap and see how you like it. My experience with Tung Oil in woodworking was that it took forever to cure but, then again, I'm no expert in finishing wood! Bob DonInAZ and Duanelaker 2 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted February 29, 2020 Share #89 Posted February 29, 2020 I personally would go with the satin poly. Duanelaker 1 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share #90 Posted March 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Justin P. said: I personally would go with the satin poly. Clear satin poly? Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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