ErnieL Posted April 30, 2020 #1 Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) Hey folks, I'm a longtime model builder, first plastic aircraft kits as a kid, then caught the building and flying scale model R/C aircraft bug back in the 70s as a bigger kid, then, as an empty nester, got back into the scale plastic display model aircraft hobby. So I've been building some sort of model my entire life. I presently act as Administrator on two FB large scale aircraft pages, moderate another FB model Aircraft page, and also help Moderate Large Scale Modeller's web forum. So my online life is pretty full. Which means I'll be around a fair bit, soaking up info and learning from others. At the urging of one of the Admins here, I took a step into the Dark Side, and at the urging of this 'gentleman' (cough cough) bought my first wood ship model, the new Vanguard Models HMS Speedy. I'm pretty sure there's not many people, ship lover or not, who doesn't admire the incomperable Cochrane, and I hope to turn out a fair to middlin' result from this beautiful kit. I certainly lack some of the woodworking skills needed, and it'll be a learning curve no doubt, but I expect this kit will be a decent first ship for a guy who get's told he's a fairly decent enough model builder. So please bear with my idiot questions. One day, I, too will be building that trim 44 or 74, but right now, Speedy looks mighty tempting. Now I'm off to research a lathe... Ernie Edited April 30, 2020 by ErnieL mtaylor, ccoyle, Dean77 and 5 others 8 Quote On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon
Jim Lad Posted April 30, 2020 #2 Posted April 30, 2020 Hello Ernie, and a warm welcome to the forum from 'Down Under'. John mtaylor, JeffT and ErnieL 3 Quote
druxey Posted May 1, 2020 #3 Posted May 1, 2020 Welcome! We'll watch for your progress. There's lots of help here on MSW if you need it. JeffT, mtaylor and ErnieL 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
ccoyle Posted May 1, 2020 #4 Posted May 1, 2020 Welcome, Ernie. I think I may have visited the large scale modeling site a time or twos some years back. If memory serves, "large scale" was defined as 1/32 or larger, and 1/33 scale card planes were acceptable thanks to our European compatriots fondness for metric scales. Cheers! JeffT and mtaylor 2 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, TBD
JeffT Posted May 1, 2020 #5 Posted May 1, 2020 mtaylor 1 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard
ErnieL Posted May 1, 2020 Author #6 Posted May 1, 2020 35 minutes ago, ccoyle said: Welcome, Ernie. I think I may have visited the large scale modeling site a time or twos some years back. If memory serves, "large scale" was defined as 1/32 or larger, and 1/33 scale card planes were acceptable thanks to our European compatriots fondness for metric scales. Cheers! Absolutely. We do armor and aircraft. I’m not treadhead, but I do like things with wings. The goal here is to learn new skills, but mostly hone ones I already have in a new direction, and have a blast doing it. It should be a good time. What’s y’all’s opinion on Speedy as a first kit? The build threads I’ve seen look pretty trouble free... mtaylor 1 Quote On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon
ccoyle Posted May 1, 2020 #7 Posted May 1, 2020 Chris Watton is a cutting edge designer with a long track record of great kits. Speedy will be challenging, but doable for a motivated builder. ErnieL, VTHokiEE and mtaylor 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, TBD
ErnieL Posted May 1, 2020 Author #8 Posted May 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, ccoyle said: Chris Watton is a cutting edge designer with a long track record of great kits. Speedy will be challenging, but doable for a motivated builder. Good deal. I’m nothing if not dogged. I’ve been looking for a decent tabletop lathe or mill for quite some time. I think this gives me some real reason to take the plunge.. mtaylor 1 Quote On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon
Chuck Seiler Posted May 1, 2020 #9 Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, ErnieL said: Now I'm off to research a lathe... Start with clamps. You can never have too many clamps. ...and magnifiers. ErnieL and mtaylor 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
mtaylor Posted May 1, 2020 #10 Posted May 1, 2020 Welcome to MSW, Ernie. You're going to research just a lathe? ErnieL 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
ErnieL Posted May 1, 2020 Author #11 Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Chuck Seiler said: Start with clamps. You can never have too many clamps. ...and magnifiers. I have plenty of those. Drawers upon drawers of them. Will need pins and a proper pin pusher. I don’t trust myself... I’ve been a lurker here for far longer than I care to admit.. I’ve been working on sub assemblies for a 1/16 scale Fokker Super Universal, and it has a cantilever wooden plywood sheathed wing, so I have many of the tools I need. A small metalworking lathe is one I keep talking myself out of, but maybe this will eventually sway me. One thing I’ve seen here is that you folks are true master craftsmen. Aircraft use a few skills, but ships seem to have many more to master. I’ve yet to find a copper clad aircraft, although some Golden Age designs used engine turned aluminum panels. I’m in awe, actually. mtaylor 1 Quote On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon
ErnieL Posted May 1, 2020 Author #12 Posted May 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, mtaylor said: Welcome to MSW, Ernie. You're going to research just a lathe? Hehe. I’m trying to talk myself into it. Funny, I think I just talked myself OUT of it for now. Again mtaylor 1 Quote On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon
markjay Posted May 1, 2020 #13 Posted May 1, 2020 mtaylor and ErnieL 2 Quote Mark Phoenix, AZ Current builds; Previous builds, in rough order of execution; Shipjack, Peterbrough Canoe, Flying Fish, Half Moon, Britannia racing sloop, Whale boat, Bluenose, Picket boat, Viking longboat, Atlantic, Fair American, Mary Taylor, half hull Enterprise, Hacchoro, HMS Fly, Khufu Solar Boat. On the shelf; Royal Barge, Jefferson Davis.
Moab Posted May 1, 2020 #14 Posted May 1, 2020 Welcome to a wonderful forum...Moab mtaylor and ErnieL 2 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways
mtaylor Posted May 1, 2020 #15 Posted May 1, 2020 35 minutes ago, ErnieL said: Hehe. I’m trying to talk myself into it. Funny, I think I just talked myself OUT of it for now. Again Don't worry. Once you're hooked and into scratch building there's lots of power tools besides a lathe. Like small table saw, scroll saw, mill, and possibly a band saw and a laser cutter. We're all toolholics here. Don't ask how I know this. GrandpaPhil, Jonny 007 and ErnieL 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
GrandpaPhil Posted May 1, 2020 #16 Posted May 1, 2020 Welcome! mtaylor and ErnieL 2 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
ErnieL Posted May 2, 2020 Author #17 Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) So I’ve been pouring over Speedy’s instruction manual, and the first 2/3 of the build look very straightforward to me. Wood formers, strip planking, rabbets, and PE copper. What’s not to love. But I get lost when it jumps to the running gear. Deadeyes, channels, bits, schmidts, blocks, clocks, runners, gunners, flannels, wash, spin, rinse, and grille. I hope I get the hang of it by the time I arrive there.... 🥴 Edited May 2, 2020 by ErnieL mtaylor 1 Quote On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon
Louie da fly Posted May 2, 2020 #18 Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) On 5/1/2020 at 1:09 PM, ErnieL said: I’ve yet to find a copper clad aircraft Welcome, Ernie! Copper's all very well, but if you go to the early 16th century Dark Side, you can use lead sheathing! As far as rigging goes, you will pick it up as you go. And if you can't figure something out, just ask one of the friendly Forum members - someone's bound to know. (Oh and deadeyes are so-called because they vaguely resemble a skull - the French call them sheep heads). Have a good look at previous Speedy build logs - you'll probably find many of your questions/problems in your own build have already been encountered and solved by one of our members. Steven Edited May 2, 2020 by Louie da fly mtaylor and ErnieL 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
James H Posted May 2, 2020 #19 Posted May 2, 2020 Well Ernie, imagine seeing you here! Sorry I didn't reply earlier. I've been planking a prototype! mtaylor and ErnieL 2 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
ErnieL Posted May 2, 2020 Author #20 Posted May 2, 2020 6 hours ago, James H said: Well Ernie, imagine seeing you here! Sorry I didn't reply earlier. I've been planking a prototype! Haha, well at least you’re getting bench time. It’s Saturday morning here, and my lively bride just walked in with a Honey Do list as long as my arm. Oh JOY! mtaylor 1 Quote On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon
allanyed Posted May 3, 2020 #21 Posted May 3, 2020 Welcome aboard Ernie. Very nice intro to who you are, and appreciated. Sounds like you may be able to help a few folks here with a sideline in airplane habits. Know that you will have a lot of help available to you on your ship project. Allan ErnieL and mtaylor 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
ErnieL Posted May 9, 2020 Author #22 Posted May 9, 2020 On 5/2/2020 at 2:38 AM, Louie da fly said: Welcome, Ernie! Copper's all very well, but if you go to the early 16th century Dark Side, you can use lead sheathing! As far as rigging goes, you will pick it up as you go. And if you can't figure something out, just ask one of the friendly Forum members - someone's bound to know. (Oh and deadeyes are so-called because they vaguely resemble a skull - the French call them sheep heads). Have a good look at previous Speedy build logs - you'll probably find many of your questions/problems in your own build have already been encountered and solved by one of our members. Steven What about depleted uranium? Louie da fly 1 Quote On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon
mtaylor Posted May 9, 2020 #23 Posted May 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ErnieL said: What about depleted uranium? If you can machine that stuff, you are the man! Louie da fly and ErnieL 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
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