Cutty Sark by Nenad

[keelhauled]

Great work!!  I'm with you on two steps forward one back.  To correct a mistake or not?  Such questions drive me crazy.  But I wouldn't have it any other way.  The research is part of the fun.

 

Keep up the great build.  Also thanks for the photos of the day out.  The view from the tower is amazing.  Also the photos of the bad weather sailing are great!

 

Marc

[NenadM]

Marc

 

our friend Bob (Rfolsom) said briliant words : ... if you can live with it ...

 

Probably answer is somewhere in this words

 

"Just" to find where is frontier behind you can live with THIS and after you can not live with THIS

Edited January 11, 2014 by Nenad M

[Sailor1234567890]

Looks like you've got a bit more work ahead of you once again. You did it before and you'll do it again. I have every confidence in you. She'll be awesome once completed. You call her "majesty" for a reason.

[rfolsom]

Nenad;  I'm not seeing anything wrong with the shape of your stern, unless it's being too fat.  Just Dremel out the lower areas shown, and you'll be fine...

 

Correction: STEM

Edited January 12, 2014 by rfolsom

[rfolsom]

Nenad;  Do you have access to eBay or Amazon?  Model Shipways is a great company for parts, as well.  1/4" Self-adhesive copper tape works great for the hull coppering...

[mtaylor]

Marc is right... we do two steps forward and one back.  Such is the life of a scratch builder.

[Lou van Wijhe]

Marc is right... we do two steps forward and one back.  Such is the life of a scratch builder.

 

And the ones that do not want to step back (like me) never advance...

 

Lou

[NenadM]

Bob

 

In meantime, I found some ways to manage this access, but ... female part of my family can not restrain theirself when see something they think as cheap. On the other side, it is not my way to hide my eventally account from them, so ...

 

Marriage and familly diplomacy, and something or someone must be collateral damage of that ... Heh  ...  spice of our lifes

 

And "spice must flow" ( Quote from Dune, Herbert)

Edited January 12, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Bowsprit is removed, and it will be quite a work latter to mount new

 

Stem is corrected according to C-plans. Two  thinned layers of mahogany veneer added to stem to reach "strong" 4 mm. 

 

I think successfully

 

Light glueing of C-plan part

 

 

Look of new  stem after swamp-works. Not finished jet, but correct lines are there

 

 

And new stronger look of 4 mm stem from front. I realised that I am guilty for last 3-3,5 mm I had on stem (carelessly sanding in previous works). Another thing has to be thinked about earlier which I did not

 

I decided not to correct thickness of keel downside, it is/will be not visible 

 

 

OK, let`s go forward

 

Precise puttying in places of assembly of planks when it is needed, and very light sanding ( with sandpaper 280 and 400) begin and follow. Then stern finale .... then preliminary painting to the line of coopering. Determination of that line is something for what I must dive deeper in MSW

Edited March 26, 2014 by Nenad M

[keelhauled]

Looks great!  The stem has good shape

 

And as you said the Spice must Flow!  I use that at work all of the time!

[NenadM]

And the best

 

In posts #441 and #449 I discussed about some lines on stem I noticed, and not see in other models, which are not clear what them represent on C-plans

 

I think I succeed to got them when with way of planking second layer and with mahogany strip on stem

 

Here are Lou`s pictures and some from Internet. Line is marked with thick red arrow

 

 

And here is my attempt

 

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2014 by Nenad M

[rfolsom]

Looks Very Good;  On my other build, it seems like everyone is in a race;  This is a hobby, not a job, right?  The Dune reference brought back old memories......

[NenadM]

Worms again

 

Edited March 26, 2014 by Nenad M

[Sailor1234567890]

Seems the piece you're asking about is the stem it's self. Or I'm completely misunderstanding what you're asking/looking at.

What is the worm in this thread for?  I'm sure you'll tie it in to something interesting.

[NenadM]

Daniel

I dont know name of that piece. Maybe it is not a individually named piece. I was just looking for : how it looks like and what to do to look like real CS

 

Bob

 

I agree that this hobby is not a race. But, people as people ... you can race if you want with everything in life (Who will be faster to brush his teeth, who will quickly tie his shoe laces). Let them run as they want and enjoy in hurry 

Worm ?

This is trick question

Today fine and precise sanding, little corrections on bow and stern, and relatively successful attempt of water line. Reading another log on MSW (Keelhauled) I decide not to paint under waterline and coopering layer because I am not sure how it will be "glued" over acrylic paint (when I finally find something useful for coopering and make decision about type of glue)

 

BTW, without bowsprit, She looks like a man without teeth and corrected stem without proud bowsprit under looks like snub ... She cried: "What have you done to me ?!?!?!"

 

"OK" I said, "makeup follow in further stages" and She must be patient for a while, although She frowns and grumbles

Edited January 14, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Yesterday in Serbia was the Orthodox New Year as an informal traditional holiday, celebrated as the start of the New Year by the Julian calendar. In the 20th and 21st centuries, the Old New Year falls on January 14 in the Gregorian calendar. The most common is called Serbian New Year (relics of nationalism). Serbian Orthodox Church continues to celebrate their feasts and holidays according to the Julian calendar. It is located primarily in Serbia (including Kosovo), Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro.

 

Fireworks are prepared by the Serbian Orthodox Church and fired from the Church Cathedral of Saint Sava, where people also gather.

 

Petards, petards, petards and as usually many idiots with fire guns shooting in sky … like a battlefield in place I live. Being atheist, I do not celebrate this forced holiday, and hate shooting and explosions all around. What is the fun in shooting? All that bullets must fall down somewhere. Primitive and wild, lasts half night. And today is regular working day    

[NenadM]

Advice needed from experienced members

 

In this stage, there is a lot of thinking about sequence of next moves, considering, for instance, that

• during coopering model must be turned upside down
• during rough words on main deck little sensitive parts may be damaged

Also I am a little bit afraid to forget something and to find myself in swamp again

So, I make some draft of next moves, and I really need your thinking about order of steps

 

1.      Final light sanding and puttying bow and stern, cleaning whole ship from dust and trash ( I am here right now )

2.      Preliminary protective painting outside bulwarks and upper part of hull ( Black paint from waterline to rails and between rails, white on square rail and teak on rounded rails )

3.      Cleaning inside bulwark with white panels from putty ( It is dirty now )

4.      Preliminary protective painting white panel bulwark in teak colour ( Removeing old paint, sanding with 400 sandpaper and repaint them )

5.      Correcting space under forecastle  (poop) deck ( There is chaos now, and lot of things must be put inside )

6.      Correcting space under aft-deck ( There are some mistakes I must correct )

7.      Inside white Bulwarks – makeing inside waterposts ( That will be fun )

8.      Preliminary protective painting inside bulwark ( Maybe final painting, after all this steps I am afraid that there will be no way to precise paint after )

9.      Waterway – makeing and preliminary painting in grey colour ( I am still thinking how to make it, but it is very visible part )

10. Stanchions ( Bob, I am thinking about your work all the time )

11. Replanking main deck ( Must be done to raise a little under line of waterway, and to cover consequences of mistakes I made earlier )

12. Rudder – makeing, coopering, soldiering and mounting ( In this stage, model can be turned upside down without damage )

13. Coopering ( Finishing coopering, there are in my opinion no other works which demand turning model again. Only one question – what to do – how to keep model form damaging cooper plates. I am thinking about hard )

14. Pinrails/deadeyes holders, makeing, mounting and preliminary protective painting (  )

15. Makeing (or bying) and mounting deadeyes with their stanchions (  )

16. Light small details on outside bulwark and upper part of hull (windows, etc) ( I am just researching this point in all plans I have and in all pictures I have, and ... there is so much of them ... it will be separate post )

17. Ornaments on bow and stern, makeing, mounting ( ... big big big challenge )

18.   Climbing on deck works   

Edited January 15, 2014 by Nenad M

[Sailor1234567890]

Could you place it on it's permanent stand after coppering so you don't damage her copper once it's done? I envision two turned posts between the keel and some sort of board. You'll want it big enough to support the model but also big enough to accept the glass case. No reason why it couldn't be smaller for now and replaced with a full sized one once you're done rigging her and ready to put her in a glass case.

[popeye the sailor]

yepper!  work your way to the keel first........get all that done,  even the rudder.   if you don't have a stand for it at this time,  a holder lined with felt {or something soft},  will work best,  for the time being

[NenadM]

Start of prelimarry painting. Rails are not painted yet

 

Hand-painted with help of magnifier, 2 hours until my eyes dropped down to workbench

 

Appearance is growing up !

 

Endless sanding and puttying and enormous polishing of hull is definitely worth it

 

In pictures this is not seen (low resolution and weak camera) , but I got exactly what I was looking for: Strip with water-ports look enough smooth and straight as it is done from metal plates, in hull under square white rail you can see strips of planks on  quite similar way as on the CS.

 

Real masters sure can do this much better, but I am very proud to myself   where I was and how it is going now

 

Edited March 26, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

In post #573 ad. 16. I mentioned something about researching small parts on outside bulwark

 

I have done my little research in all plans and photos I collected, with idea to be a reminder for me not to forget something

 

When I put results on paper, it seems that can be also useful for all other members from CS fleet, as intend to overload model with details. Considering that I am probably not understanding particular positions, or made some mistakes with names, this material, by my opinion is only for further investigation on internet and as reminder when details come in line

 

Of course, most useful were Lou`s set of pictures ( thanks again Lou), C-plans and internet

 

Document is originally made in MSWord, but that type can not be attached, so here is *.pdf version reduced to size under 2MB

 

small elements and parts.pdf

 

Important notice - At august 20th 2014. I discovered that attached file is damaged. I tried to make new, but, original document is in MSWord, 5MB large, and reducing to 2MB make pictures unclear. I noticed over 20 downloads, I suppose, with great disappointment because nothing can open.

So, if anybody is still interested in this, I ll be glad to send original MSWORD file to designed private mail with no size restrictions 

Edited August 21, 2014 by Nenad M

[Lou van Wijhe]

Nenad,

 

This is a valuable piece of research!

 

Lou

[NenadM]

Thank you, Lou, I think it still need additional work

[Sailor1234567890]

I wonder if you could put it in the research section on specific ships? Then we can all contribute to it. Maybe someone in Greenwich who happens to visit the ship can take a picture of an item that's missing or not shown. We could this way expand the collective knowledge of her as people find out more stuff. Of note, you have "scupper" in there but show pictures of an eyebolt at one point. The C plans have scuppers indicated though. Just something I noticed. Scuppers are holes for drainage (smaller than the 6 big square freeing ports each side).

[NenadM]

Go forward in painting

 

Coloured, Her Majesty now seems so much longer no matter I removed bowsprit. She looks quite large ... and workshop desk looks quite small for further works. I must cook up something about this question

 

 

Edited March 26, 2014 by Nenad M

[Sailor1234567890]

What a beautiful hull shape she has.

[Bugra]

Hey Nenad! 

 

Check it out the link below. Lou has something for you, again  

 

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/5178-cutty-sark-constructional-details/

 

Cheers, Bugra.

[Sailor1234567890]

Nenad,

Could you take some closeups of the bow of your model? I'm curious how you did it. Thanks,

Daniel

[NenadM]

Thx Burga and Lou

 

Daniel

 

Just now, my cellphone ( best camera in house) is empthy, and you must wait for a little.

 

In meantime, as you have enough patient, notice that all "steps" of building are somewhere in deepnes of this log. I coud never suppose that this log will have 39 pages and almost 25.000 visits, and understand that is sometimes booring to digg and dive deep inside to find some referent picture. And maybe some detail important to someone other I was not considering as important and don`t take picture ( or I was shame of big mistake ...)

 

Anyway, it seems that almost all of Her today look and feel could thanks to coincidence and accident, spicy with my sense and some artistic talent and relatively skilled hands. Many mistakes I have made, and my model is everything but accurate to the scale. When I woke up one day in my today commitment, I was allready moving far far away without any chance to correct this earlier massive mistakes on any way but to start over from beggining. And deccission (wrong ?) was made, and I moved forward

 

If you will follow this log, you will see what I mean. First, when I start to work on waterports on inside bulwarks. Second, when I start to correct space on main deck under fore and under aft deck. 

 

Tommorow I shall put some close-ups, but do not understand exactly what are you looking for. I can describe if you wish more detailed every step runnung of bow than I have done in this topic, but, personaly I do not think that what I have done is right and proper way of building model. Absolutely everything you can see now is exclusively and purelly a mater of luck, and all sense I have in makeing it how it has to look. Mistakes leave me nothing in hands exept sense, strong will, and some artistic approach 

 

Thank you for your interest

Edited January 17, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Nenad,

Could you take some closeups of the bow of your model? I'm curious how you did it. Thanks,

Daniel

 

Daniel

 

Here are close-ups. If you need explanation, just post here or by PM, as you wish

 

 

Edited March 26, 2014 by Nenad M