Cutty Sark by NenadM

[NenadM]

David, it was exact scene in our home last evening

This evening, next 30 plates are on place, and a "battle for stern" is about to begin (first I must surround "enemy" with plates army from the another side of hull, and then attack from the bush ...   

Edited June 25, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

"Enemy" in stern area is surrounded from both sides. Enemy can not get away from battlefield. I can see enemy is regrouping his forces in bow area

 

 

[dgbot]

Your coppering is coming along fine. 

David B

[NenadM]

Thx, David, it goes and looks much better than I expected. Almost realistic, photos can not show this. I hope that I shall not follow my usual way to screw up

[popeye the sailor]

hee....hee........just as long as you don't let them flank you!      looking good so far Nenad.........hard enough just keeping the line straight.

[NenadM]

     XXI century and sixth day without water in pipes in my street and another two in neighborhood . They are not able to fix failure from Thursday to another Thursday ... I can not believe ... Last two days not a single worker in the street near hole they dug  ... That situation disrupt complete home life, and I didn't work on Her ... go for water ... go to friends and relatives to shower ... go for water ... take laundry to wash ... go for water ... take laundry from wash ... go for water ... go for water ... go for water ... go for water ... go for water ... go for water ... go for water ... go for water ... Fix with Hothead chain on his bike and get dirty to the arms ... how to get clean without water ? ... grass cutting and sweat as a pig ... water thing again ... go for water ... go for water ... go for water ... go for water ... go for water ... 

 

Where is crying smiley ?

Edited June 28, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

hee....hee........just as long as you don't let them flank you!      looking good so far Nenad.........hard enough just keeping the line straight.

 

Denis, I learned that this is not easy how it, maybe, seems on first sight. I learned that from first plate I put on place. So sensitive to curvatures of hull. Unbelievable. And lines of plates are so important for whole final look of hull. Them help watchers to understand what is that metal mass on hull ( they sure can not see rivets, not to speak about rivets lines, overlap and fit of plates etc etc

 

BTW, I do not let them this ... but my eyes don't allow me to work more than two hours continuously. Until I was born, I am shortsighted, with years my diopter reduces, so I can live, drive and work etc etc almost without glasses. But, with years also come weak eyesight for very small things, and I still refuse to have two pair of glasses ... So, work with/without magnifier, and after two hours, max three hours,  I can not work any more if I do not want "clean mess business" for tomorrow ... no, I am not stubborn ... 

Edited June 28, 2014 by Nenad M

[mtaylor]

 <---  That's the closest thing we have to a crying smiley.

 

or... save this one --->    and use add you would a picture. 

 

I feel your pain on this.  We had a broken water line to the house and then dig the hole to find the leak, fix the pipe, re-fill the hole with dirt.  Took a only a couple of days but when there's no water, you really miss it.

[popeye the sailor]

you've gone from massive rain to a drought!........I know all too well what your going through.

 

I lived on a small farm when I was growing up. our water supply was from a well, and every August it would dry up. we'd have to truck the water from the river in 55 gal drums, for our use as well as the livestock. we would have supper early......after that was bath.....all of us down at the river....all eight of us {not including parents}. it was kinda cool, because it was the only time we'd see our mother swimming in the river with us ;D tried to get her to go off the rope we had in the overhanging tree......no dice

 

I hope things turn around for you soon!

[NenadM]

Again wrestling with a wild rose which grew 5m high that want to enter under neighbors roof ... nice but killing flower. I do nor need any tatoo, my skin is ploted by scratches. Admiral likes roses ( 15 diferent sorts in yard) and some of them are extremly prickly. AlsoShe likes extremly prickly Yucca, ( on two places, 10 pieces) which grow wild and spread himself to the yard with speed of light. Quess who cut this beast ?

 

 

I have done my today homework, and went to Her to continue makeing Her dress

 

First three lines on both sides reached stern

 

 

 

On one side, these three lines reached to bow, on another, just preparation for plates

 

 

 

We are still without water ... communal emergency services do not work over weekend  (!?!"?!?!?!).

 

What a country. We do not need sanctions, bombing, floods, tornados, earthquake  or simmilar  ... we are self-sufficient to terminate ourselfs nice and easy ... just wait to see ...

Edited June 29, 2014 by Nenad M

[rfolsom]

Great work on coppering, Nenad.  It's a long, slow process, but in my experience, one process I kept up with and enjoyed..

 

~Bob

[rfolsom]

...and sorry about the water problems;  My Admiral would start the executions about now...

[NenadM]

Slow to hell, Bob. I tested different methods of making plates, intending to do this faster, but there is no way to fast process ( with my hands) and to keep adequate riveting. It must be done slowly with adequate force to "ponce wheel", in straight line, and it takes a time. Also fitting plates on their place takes some time. 

 

But, there is different look and feel when you take your nose close ( macro photos) and when you look from distance. Just amazing

 

BTW, still no water ( sixth day in line)

Edited June 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[dgbot]

Nice look Nenad, I can sympathize on the flooding.  We get it around here every so often.

David B

[NenadM]

Water finally comes, and it seems everything is backing in normal.

I made some calculation : there will be about 3500-4000 individual plates 4x10 mm. Over 30 "rivets" on each ... more than 100.000 rivets ... game of large numbers ...

Aproxsimately 2 min per plate to draw, cut, rivet, place and glue, in best conditions

8.000 minutes = 130 working hours, approximately two working hours per day = 60-70 working days = more than 3 months (I do not work every day)

What I calculate wrong? This is impossible

Edited July 1, 2014 by Nenad M

[rfolsom]

Happy to see you have your water back; 

 

It took me about 3 months to finish coppering, at about 2-4 hours per day.  Unlike now, where I will leave the build for a week or two at a time, I sat down and did the coppering faithfully, every day.  It didn't require alot of thinking, and was very relaxing.  I used self-adhesive copper tape, where you peeled the backing off and stuck the tile on after cutting and riveting.  So, after a night of affixing 150-200 plates, the Admiral would pick up 150-200 paper backings left on the floor the next morning;  She never complained, and I never asked her to pick up after me;  I think our Admirals are proud of our hobbies!  (but sometimes slightly jealous... )

[NenadM]

... after a night of affixing 150-200 plates, the Admiral would pick up 150-200 paper backings left on the floor the next morning ...

 

Just for refreshing your memories, Bob

 

 

I am happy that Admiral do not enter to my kingdom often, and that cleaning of garage/heat-room is my job, so I can arrange layer upon layer until next floor if I want ( if screaming do not come early ...  )

[NenadM]

First attack of left and right three keel lines of plates to the bow is over. Lines are there, rivets are there, everything seems to go really fine to me

 

 

And now, according to the coopering schemes I have look at, next is attack of 3-5 lines on both sides simultaneously along with waterline from stern to bow, or reverse, (I must look at  again)

 

Ah ... waterline

 

I am not sure how I get old waterline before painting black, but I am sure that on this time I didn't have C-plans converted to my scale, and I decided to check upon C-plans 

 

And, of course, new waterline must be drown ... 

 

First - I adjust kitchen table ( 120 x 80 cm) to be 100% horizontal, then make a jig from Chinese magnifier/soldering helper and felt pen 0,1 mm. Then turn Her upside down, and make keel 100% horizontal

 

 

it works very well, and here is new drawn waterline  

 

 

 

Next round in my  "Third Hull war" is waiting to start  

Edited July 1, 2014 by Nenad M

[HIPEXEC]

Nice work with your coppering. It looks very dificult.

[NenadM]

Thx for your comment, Rich. 

 

Not so hard, rather ... too more uniform moves on long long long line.

 

But, I am kind of fool who find something interesting even in digging hole in ground ... so ... keel lines to bow ... keel lines to stern ... waterlines to bow ... central section ... overlap on places of contact ... 

 

But it goes very well in result, and I am satisfied ( for now ...)

 

Also, I use this stage of building as a good time to listen some music I did not listen earlier in life from different reasons ( dont liked it, no time, no interest, prejudice, not discovered, can not find ...)  Do you know that complete soundtrack from Lord Of The Rings movies can be listened as classical music ? Combined with Giuseppe Verdi ("Aida" and "The Messa da Requiem") and Gheorghe Zamfir`s pan flute - all in shuffle mode is really something special. Also, considering that on this job brain is only a half time busy, you can in peace think about many necessary and unnecessary things ...   

 

Bar Association declared the strike of 4000 attorneys in Belgrade (which is sort of great shame for the country and politicians , in whole word attorneys are significant part of justice system) so there is a lot of time ... no one come to courts, trials are postponed, ... I wrote about this problems earlier in log, but now they com to the peak, because state administration, on very arrogant manner, few days ago rises our taxes 100-300% retroactively from January without any economic reason except to fill budget ... On the other side, State administration do absolute nothing to improve judicial system (but on the contrary, all moves are nonproductive and destroy it ), to reduce abnormal budget expenditures for wages to unnecessarily employed people - members of the ruling political parties employed last 10-15 years in budget institutions (assessment is that it is 150-200,000 such a people, and considering that Serbia have less than 8.000.000 citizens, only 1.200.000 of them employed, more than a 3/4 of them in budget institutions, more than 1.500.000 pensioners, add there children, pupils and students, and more than 1.000.000 unemployed, you can see whole terrific picture, with no chance to get in normal soon)

 

Sometimes I feel as Alice in Wonderland, and Her Majesty is very good sedative ( or hole for the ostrich head, as you like ...) 

 

 

But, get back to something more cheerful ...

Edited July 2, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Go, Nenad, go !!!

 

 

 

BTW, today negotiations between Bar association and Government, partially succeed, and we start work tomorrow

Edited July 2, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Yesterday I have got advice from championship modeler that plates must run in direction from keel and stern to waterline and bow.

 

Question: Is this so significant in my case, if

 

1) I do not overlap plates

 

2) I think I can make adequate look as on scheme and as on real ship on another ( my started) way

 

3) I do not make museum quality model and have no ambition for competitions and championships

Edited July 3, 2014 by Nenad M

[rfolsom]

Nenad;  Here is a paragraph from p.124 of Campbell's China Tea Clippers:

 

 

"Although the ideal system of laying the plates was to have the exposed edges of the butts facing aft, and those of the seams on the lower edge, this arrangement helping to keep a loose plate reasonably flat by gravity and water flow, it was only achieved on very small craft where probably a single gang of workmen would work progressively in one direction, as a modelmaker would plate a model.  However with a large ship in drydock or on  the slip this would take too long,and several gangs would be working together, some from amidships towards the bow or stern and some from the waterline downwards or keel upwards.  This would mean that the exposed edge of the seams and buttw would vary in their relative positions on different parts of the hull, which can sometimes be seen on contemporary photographs."

 

Hope this puts your mind at ease!

 

~Bob

[NenadM]

Bob is right, book is right, my champ friend Roland is right, I opened my ears wide.
listen, and here is result



When lines of plates started to curve, there was no question about how to go forward

Edited July 3, 2014 by Nenad M

[rfolsom]

Wow!  You're making really great progress....  Looks great!

[NenadM]

Thx Bob. Still too much to go with those little ants. Still more than a couple of critical parts to resolve curvatures of lines, still varnishing after all ... 

 

WHEN I`LL  WORK SOMETHING OF WOOD !!!!

[michael mott]

Great to see the progress on the plates Nenad.

 

michael

[usedtosail]

Beautiful plating so far. You are making great progress.

[NenadM]

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you all for supporting in this looooooong job

[Bindy]

Hi Nenad,

Your plating really is going great!  When you first described how many plates, and how much work I expected you to take so much longer although it probably feels like it is already.

 

Thank you also for your posts about your country and what is happening.  As sad as it reads, it really is so interesting and makes it all so real for us on the other side of the planet.  I have to admit that I enjoy opening your log every time I visit Model Ship World.

 

But I had to laugh as when you wrote ...

 

But, I am kind of fool who find something interesting even in digging hole in ground ...

 

I remember annoying my father so much when I was young that he gave me the job of "go out the back and dig HALF a hole".  It kept me busy for hours and every time I got him to inspect it he told me it was no good as it was a complete hole and I had to start again.  Maybe he was really training me to do coppering?