Cutty Sark by NenadM

[mtaylor]

Nenad,

 

The billboads protect the hull when the anchor is raised and stowed. 

[NenadM]

Thank you Mark, it is fast answer, I was thinking so, but was not sure about


Hmmmm...

Watching photos, I think I have to thin billboard ... looks so much massive ...

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[keelhauled]

Hi Nenad,

 

Spent quite a bit of my Friday night catching up on your build.  Thanks for sharing!!!  So many impressive accomplishments. 

 

By the way, Your billboard looks good.  You might be right about the thickness, but I wouldn't take too much off. The ones that I've seen on actual ships are typically a sheet of steel over wood.  I was just on a tall ship this week for a 3 hour visit.  They were replacing the wood cap above the billboard because the anchor had chewed up the cap from being stowed at sea.  The billboard was dented up pretty good.  typically the flukes come in contact with  the billboards.  I got to talk with a crewman about catting and stowing the anchor.  I've been thinking of showing the Cutty as she is pulling the anchor inboard.

 

Take care

Marc

[Sailor1234567890]

Nenad,

Could you post a pic of her majesty in all her glory so far?

[NenadM]

Nenad,

Could you post a pic of her majesty in all her glory so far?

 

 

Thank you for your interest, sailor12...

 

And here She is

 

 

 

From distance with weak camera, She seems to look as decent model

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Second billboard was made, both billboards thined and shaped, and now it is a quite different story







Them are equial, at same position and symetrical, and I am happy. Even She asked "what did you put on me?"

I answered "wait and see" and left Her confused in shipyard in her dark and closed shelf

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

... I've been thinking of showing the Cutty as she is pulling the anchor inboard.

 

Hey Marc ! That is one of question I have to deal with ... but first I have to investigate and learn about whole anchor usage and mechanism ... it seems there is a lot of something I (for now) have no idea what is it for ... but there is no need to rush. It is said: There can not be sunrise before morning. And morning is much clever than evening

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Hothead come home over weekend, and no work on CS. He has modelling on his study ... houses, not ships ... maybe when he grow old ... of course, he can not live without full set of X-acto scalpel you can not find in Serbia, laser cutting, fastest mobile internet I can find for him, and ... a new laptop with strong graphic card to run newest version of Arhicad, 3dStudiomax, Autocad etc etc etc ... he had to be born somewhere on east in palace of some oil magnate ... or in happy garage where software is born ... Hey, boy, cool a bit, I am not millionaire ... slow down ...

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[keelhauled]

Nenad,

 

I found the whole anchoring process fascinating and spent a lot of time researching and speaking to people about it.  Especially how the anchor is let out  or dropped while the chain is wrapped around the windlass. After discussions with a captain that used a similar windlass on his boat, I went home and made a mock up to prove the operation to my self.  It worked exactly as he explained.

 

I try to spend time on a sailing tall ship every vacation I can, even if it's just for a short cruise.  I always learn so much watching sailors actually working a tall ship.  I used to have questions about the Cutty and her anchor stowed inboard.  For example in old  photos of the Cutty with the anchor stowed inboard, I always wondered how the anchor stock ended up under the deck rail with the chain still attached.  I was on a tall-ship cruise and was telling a sailor about the question.  He took me forward and showed me that the rail on his tall ship is removable.  They lift the rail out of the sockets to bring the anchor in-board and then put the rail back after the anchor is secured.  Simple solution.  I then found a photo of the Cutty being towed and the rail had been removed just as the sailor had explained. 

 

At sea, the anchors would be stowed inboard and the chains unshackled and stored in the chain locker.  I'm not doing this because I think it would look unfinished.  So I think that I'm going to have one anchor catted with the fluke secured and the other anchor in the process of being taken inboard with the fish tackle and anchor davit raising the anchor onto focsle.

 

 

Happy to pass on any of the knowledge I have in this area. 

 

Marc

[NenadM]

Wow, Marc. Amazing story for us who live far away from sea

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[Redbeard]

Nenad, Just wanted you to know how much i'm enjoying your build. 

 

Marc, Just goes to show you there is more than one way to skin a cat... or stow an anchor

 

John

Edited October 27, 2014 by Redbeard

[NenadM]

Hello John, welcome to main deck. I am very glad and thankful you like my mess fight with mistakes.

I like it too (more or less.... sometimes more, sometimes less )

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[popeye the sailor]

she looks great Nenad...........no mistakes that I can see    you've done a great job!

[NenadM]

Thank you Denis, you are so kind. Yes, mistakes are there, and I just decide to ignore them, because them are impossible to correct. I think if I wanna describe every one of them in single post, that will take next 10 pages of log. I just have no nerve to start over after year and a half

Never mind, we are going forward

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[coffeebeans]

Gday Nenad, She's looking great!

I must get one of those dentist picks for my tool colection,

Also does that type of copper you have used get a patina at all or are you going for her current Greenwich state shes in now?

 

Luca

[NenadM]

Gday Nenad, She's looking great!

I must get one of those dentist picks for my tool colection,

Also does that type of copper you have used get a patina at all or are you going for her current Greenwich stat e shes in now?

 

Luca

 

He-loo, Luca

 

Patina question ... hmmm ...I don't know jet ... waiting to reach mast stage, and then to look at Her carefully and see what she need (artistic approach)

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

After "having fun" with some kid's issues, going to Novi Sad to bring some stuff to Hothead, went home

Attorney strike continues (50th day), and today our minister on national TV news at 20:00 h local time said that all attorneys are connected to organized criminal .... all 10.000 Serbian attorneys ... I stay frozen and speechless ... and angry to the heaven. Just can not believe what he said ?!?!?

Such a attitude was not presented public never in history, even from Stalin, Hitler, Saddam ....

If you do not believe, please read Serbian news in English...

Pissed off went to my drug to try to calm down ... to try to make some progress on Her Majesty

This is next ( I do not know name and purpose of this)



In my scale, veeery very very small



Several attempts ... it is not necessary to mention that four times this little parts disappear somewhere under work bench ... and it was more easy to make new instead to try to find piece 1x2 mm on floor ...



And after painting ...



Not bad

After spending 3 hours in making and losing this beats , said to me, that is enough for today. Going upstairs to the dark reality ...

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[Sven]

Maybe it is a spigot for the flagstaff as it is midships of the stern?

 

Matt

Edited October 29, 2014 by Sven

[NenadM]

Hello Matt

That was my first idea, but angle and position toward rounded rails is not right. And it seem to be so thin for flag purpose.

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Or very small flag ?

And maybe even mistake !

 

Please zoom photo and look carefully above on top rail: it is cut (to make place for flag mast ????)

 

 

Addendum 1

 

 

Something like that DO NOT EXIST on Lou's photos !!!!

 

 

Addendum 2

And there are two more ( on each side)

 

 

Also with a little "cut" on rail !!!

 

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[keelhauled]

Hi Nenad,

 

Concerning the mystery fitting on the stern.

 

To me it does look like a fitting for a flag, however, I couldn't find any photos old or new with a flag in that position.

 

I have a book that has a photo of the cutty in dry dock in 1872 with her jury-rigged rudder.  It doens't look like she has that fitting.  However, it wasn't the greatest photo.  Maybe someone else has a better version it is: Greenwich Maritime Museum Negative 7795.

 

I did find it being in place before the restoration.  The full photo shows that ship below the waterline with the old dry dock.

 

You do have an eye for detail!  I never noticed it before, it wasn't on the photos that I took when I was there in 1990 and 2003.

 

I'll keep looking

Marc

Edited October 30, 2014 by keelhauled

[NenadM]

Yes, I bother you, but .... what is this ?????

 

Edited October 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Today plan

 

 

on both sides

[mtaylor]

There are three of those brackets that I can see in Marc's photo.  Could these have been used for a canvas sunshade?

 

Nenad,

 

I think those are eyebolts or rings and bolts for the rudder chains.  Here's a link to a discussion on these:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8014-emergency-steering-chains/

[NenadM]

There are three of those brackets that I can see in Marc's photo. Could these have been used for a canvas sunshade?

 

Nenad,

 

I think those are eyebolts or rings and bolts for the rudder chains. Here's a link to a discussion on these: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8014-emergency-steering-chains/

 

Thank you Mark, I just visited linked page. Very useful information and good lesson for nautical dummy as I am

 

In mean time I found one drawing and one photo ...

 

Considering that in day of sails, life often was in danger, it is quite sure that naval architects just could not have in mind all possible situations which can happen far in ocean, and there sure were a lot of improvisations, without strict rules, the truth is probably somewhere there, between or around

 

 

Edited October 31, 2014 by Nenad M

[mtaylor]

Well.. those are for the emergency steering chains then....  Are those maybe pipes... waste pipes or scuppers of some type?  I have no idea.

[NenadM]

To give some more mess ...

In this picture "pipes" or ... are not presented



But, on other , here are, and look as pipes ?

Edited October 31, 2014 by Nenad M

[keelhauled]

I think Mark is correct that the rings are for emergency steering.  That is also what the ring on the rudder is for.

 

Found a photo using the three brackets to hold lights

 

 

 

Marc

Edited October 31, 2014 by keelhauled

[NenadM]

One mystery resolved - light holders.

 

I think that this lights are not standard sail ship fittings, and their purpose is only for light effects in dry dock, stern ornament to be seen in night. So, I think that those lights have not to be implemented on ship model

 

But, brackets - I will make them ( my over detailing plan )

 

Other mystery - emergency steering or pipes - still not resolved

Edited October 31, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Brackets done

 

 

 

And "pipes" also

 

 

Q