HMS Bounty by LyleK1 - Artesania Latina - 1:48 scale

[LyleK1]

17 hours ago, Tim Moore said:

Great work on those anchors Lyle, love the rusty patina, and the cannon are terrific.

Thanks Tim!

Off for a few days but looking forward to wrapping up the deck work and moving into the rigging.

Probably a bit of a slow go as summer will be busy on the big boat!

How’s your latest build coming, I need to stop by for a look!

[Dave_E]

I take it the big boat is the one in your profile photo? We just sold our 36’ Trawler as she was 45 years old and in constant need of keeping up. Just wasn’t to be in retirement. 
 

Your anchors are getting a hard study right now, that’s one of my next steps. Beautiful! 👍😀

[LyleK1]

2 hours ago, Dave_E said:

I take it the big boat is the one in your profile photo? We just sold our 36’ Trawler as she was 45 years old and in constant need of keeping up. Just wasn’t to be in retirement. 
 

Your anchors are getting a hard study right now, that’s one of my next steps. Beautiful! 👍😀

Yes… the boat in my profile is my home away from home.

A Sea Ray 420 AC… she’s been updated over the last two years getting ready for my retirement!

Now it’s time to go!!

[Joe100]

This thread gets better and better

[Tim Moore]

5 hours ago, LyleK1 said:

Thanks Tim!

Off for a few days but looking forward to wrapping up the deck work and moving into the rigging.

Probably a bit of a slow go as summer will be busy on the big boat!

How’s your latest build coming, I need to stop by for a look!

Hi Lyle - Yes you are definitely wise in prioritizing time out on the water, especially when things warm up. I’m actually out on Vancouver Island myself now and the weather’s fantastic. The Mikasa+Pontos is a crazy endeavour with all the photo etch but it’s coming together. Not sure when I will get back to it as there is a lot of construction on my plate when I return. 

[LyleK1]

On 4/5/2022 at 8:08 PM, Tim Moore said:

Hi Lyle - Yes you are definitely wise in prioritizing time out on the water, especially when things warm up. I’m actually out on Vancouver Island myself now and the weather’s fantastic. The Mikasa+Pontos is a crazy endeavour with all the photo etch but it’s coming together. Not sure when I will get back to it as there is a lot of construction on my plate when I return. 

Hope the weather was better up there than down in the Puget Sound!

We were in southern Cal visiting family... much warmer!

Like you, I have many projects and trips planned for the next several months. Life on the Bounty will be sporadic during the summer.

[LyleK1]

Work has begun on the deck boats.

The Launch and Cutter are included in the kit for assembly.

I've started on the Launch first. false keel and frames:

Very straight forward assembly, no major problems:

The decks were "etched" using a No. 2 pencil and then treated with polyurethane:

And, the decks in place:

So far, pretty easy stuff... before moving forward, I need to research the proper colors for these boats and figure out a method for aging them. As I recall, in the Mutiny on the Bounty book(s), the Cutter was lowered first into the water and Bligh's men began to board her only to find out that it was rotted!

So, I need to figure out how much of this info should show on the my version of these boats.

Be back soon!

[LyleK1]

After spending some time researching the boats on the Bounty deck, I've come to the conclusion that the boats in the kit are not accurate... shocking, I know!

I am not going to spend a lot of time changing them to be accurate as my focus has always been on the Bounty, not the little boats. I considered leaving them off since my version is more or less with the Bounty as anchor. I decided against that too. I will build the Launch (kit version) and will decide on the Cutter after it is complete.

I did find a color scheme that appears to be relatively accurate and I will use it for the "Launch". Still debating on the Cutter...

More to come soon.

[allanyed]

For future, if you wish, I can PM you or anyone interested in the below plans for the 23 foot launch in high res PDF at whatever scale you want.  It is based on RMG plans and info based on contemporary sources.   

Allan

 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2022 by allanyed

[Trond]

On 4/16/2022 at 12:52 AM, allanyed said:

For future, if you wish, I can PM you or anyone interested in the below plans for the 23 foot launch in high res PDF at whatever scale you want.  It is based on RMG plans and info based on contemporary sources.   

Allan

 

 

 

Is this the correct boat that would be on Bounty. If so I would appreciate if you could send over for 1:50 scale drawings and in mm if you had that.

Trond

[allanyed]

Trond,

PMing you now.

Allan

[LyleK1]

Although not really historically accurate, the Launch is a fun little build.

So, I started on the frame pieces and the interior of the boat:

The instructions are minimal but the pictures are good... a fairly simple build but time consuming!

I added the keel and stern post:

Some light sanding...

Worked on the Cutter too. Still not sure if it will make the final cut, we'll see how it turns out. An interesting build, using a stacked method with a ton of sanding to shape both the outside and inside:

Before moving on to the planking (port side only, just like the Bounty), I painted the launch interior and upper areas. Still need to distress and weather it though:

More to come soon.

[Dave_E]

Geese, the launch was a ship model in itself. Nicely done!

[LyleK1]

Launch completed and ready to mount.

Before planking the port side, I did some weathering and distressing:

The planking was straight forward and since it is being painted, I did not follow my usual method. Once completed and sanded, I primed and painted the hull and distressed it with several washes to give it a used look:

The picture colors are not showing quite right. The top rail is actually gray!

Finally, the launch is sitting in the appropriate spot on the Bounty's deck.

Rigging the Launch to the deck remains before moving on the the half-pounder guns.

I'm off once again... my old employer has re-hired me... for a week, to help with a project. Made it worth my while, so off to Oakland for a week!

[LyleK1]

Back at it, after a week of work AND a week of Covid!

Lucky me!

I can't remember if I mentioned that I am not doing the Jolly boat... The Launch is it for this model.

With the Launch done, it needed to be tethered to the deck.

I decided to use a bit of a different method... many methods were used. I used the following for my model:

 

First, I served some line:

I only needed about 8 inches, total. While that was drying (I use diluted white glue to keep the wrap tight), I started on the hooks:

With the served line dry, I cut it to length and used CA glue on the ends to keep the wrap tight. The hooks are added and seized to the line:

Blocks are assembled with lines and hooks:

Hooks glued to the deck and blocks threaded and cinched down:

A couple of quick tie-down knots and rope coils and this step is done.

I have one step left to complete the deck work! I'll finish it tomorrow.

Next up is the bowsprit and the rigging will begin in earnest!

Lots of activities over the next few months. So, work on the Bounty and updates will be sporadic. 

 

 

 

Edited May 13, 2022 by LyleK1

[allanyed]

Hi Lyle,

Thanks for continuing your log.  Your last photo brings up something I have often wondered about.  Were the seizing on the blocks normally tarred as you show or not?  I always thought they were not, but cannot find any information one way or the other. If they were tarred, what was the point of doing so?

Hope one of your followers has info based on a contemporary source.

Allan

Edited June 7, 2022 by allanyed

[LyleK1]

4 hours ago, allanyed said:

Hi Lyle,

Thanks for continuing your log.  Your last photo brings up something I have often wondered about.  Were the seizing on the blocks noramlly tarred as you show or not?  I always thought they were not, but cannot find any information one way or the other. If they were tarred, what was the point of doing so?

Hope one of your followers has info based on a contemporary source.

Allan

Thanks Allan. I pledged at the start of the log that I would keep it going to the completion of the Bounty. There are not many complete logs!

As long as people are patient, I’ll get there.

Your question/comment is an interesting one. I’ve been using the dark thread for seizing without giving it a lot of thought. I guess it doesn’t make much sense for the line to be tarred but the seizing is… for visual contrast, it looks good though.

Something to keep in mind while I move into the rigging phase.

The instructions for the kit are nonexistent and I will be relying on the diagrams and books that I’ve purchased… Lee’s and Petersson in particular.

I’ll be researching each and every line before building it up and installing.

Unfortunately, there was no info on the Launch tie-downs!

Appreciate you comments, Allan. Keep them coming!

[allanyed]

3 hours ago, LyleK1 said:

The instructions for the kit are nonexistent

Looking forward to your next update Lyle.  Have you posted anything about this problem in the General Ship Model Kit Discussions forum so others are made aware?  

Allan

[LyleK1]

22 hours ago, allanyed said:

Looking forward to your next update Lyle.  Have you posted anything about this problem in the General Ship Model Kit Discussions forum so others are made aware?  

Allan

It's pretty commonly known that Artesania Latina's instructions are a bit "lacking" at times. There are good diagrams. So, with those and my reference materials, I should be ok.

[LyleK1]

With the exception of the stern lanterns and a few rope hanks (more on this later in the post), the deck work is done!

The last few steps took a little longer than I anticipated... shocking, I know!

The ship's bell was a challenging assembly. Bending the brass wire wasn't too bad but soldering the hook to the wire took some practice as I hadn't soldered in quite some time. In the end, I got it looking decent and then did some blackening to give it that aged look:

The half-pounder cannons were equally challenging as the assembly really wasn't thought out very well by the kit manufacturer (IMHO).

First, after doing some research, I could not find a single image of a cannon that was bent at about a 75 degree angle... all of them were straight, front to back. Based on that, I did not bend mine. Second, the brass wire used to hold the cannon to the bracket was so small that it would just slide out... more soldering! I soldered the wire to the brackets and blackened the entire assembly before installing them:

The bell installed:

The cannons installed:

Rope coils, hanks and served lines were a bigger problem than I thought.

As I've mentioned, I make my own rope and I use a poly material rather than cotton. Poly has a longer life and does not have that annoying "fuzz".

What I didn't know is that diluted PVA IS NOT a good adhesive to use on poly rope!

I have another thread in the masting and rigging section about this problem and got some good help from the more knowledgeable members. After reading through their comments and suggestions, I have decided to try 3 different methods to solve the problem.

1. Use clear shellac

2. Use Liquitex Matte Medium

3. Use Downy fabric softener (this for the hanks only)

Once, I have completed my experiments, I'll report back here and on the previously mentioned thread.

In the meantime, I did do a couple of loose coils for the Launch using diluted PVA (which was a struggle and began my search for another method):

The next update may be a bit as our first long boat trip starts later in the week. We'll talk again when I have more to report.

Edited May 16, 2022 by LyleK1

[Dave_E]

Have fun, be safe. That first big trip of the year was always like a mini training cruise. Look forward to your research results! 👍😀

[allanyed]

One small comment for the future.  The holes in the blocks should be reverse of what you show in a couple places.   Picture and a 1000 words, etc. below

 

[LyleK1]

5 hours ago, allanyed said:

One small comment for the future.  The holes in the blocks should be reverse of what you show in a couple places.   Picture and a 1000 words, etc. below

 

Hmmmm…. These blocks only have two holes in them.

So, should the blocks be reversed?

[Dave_E]

Your assessment of how the lines run is correct. The bad drawings that came with my current build had several shown backward with line going the wrong way. My technique for any block installation is to picture the block in my mid and remember there would be a pulley where that hole is and the line always goes in the hole and over the roller, not in the hole and rubbing out the block the wrong way. So the way you described what you see is absolutely correct.

[allanyed]

Yes they should if you want to.  The line will cover where the other holes would be so not very noticeable.   The first  sketch shows where there would be a sheave if it were a full sized block and where the line passes through the block.

 

The second sketch shows how you have some of the lines going.

 

Hope this makes sense and helps

 

Allan

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by allanyed

[Dave_E]

GREAT illustration Allan! Your diagram shows what I tried to say. 😆

Edited May 16, 2022 by Dave_E

[LyleK1]

On 5/16/2022 at 8:01 AM, allanyed said:

Yes they should if you want to.  The line will cover where the other holes would be so not very noticeable.   The first  sketch shows where there would be a sheave if it were a full sized block and where the line passes through the block.

 

The second sketch shows how you have some of the lines going.

 

Hope this makes sense and helps

 

Allan

 

Got it!

Thanks Allan!

[allanyed]

Glad to help Lyle.  We're all here to help each other as best we can.  After serious ship modeling for near 50 years I still have questions and seek advice with great responses from members here when I cannot find it on my own.  Unfortunately sometimes questioning and/or advice are not well received, especially by some kit designers when you point out an obvious error, even when it would be easy for them to correct it. 

  

Looking forward to your next installment.

 

Allan

 

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by allanyed

[LyleK1]

Just a quick update... I'm between boat trips with the big one coming in less than a month!

 

I worked on rope hanks and rope coils. If you're interested in the details of products used and the process, check out this link:

Rope hanks installed (temporarily on the belaying pin), I'll do a couple more smaller ones for the anchor tie-downs and will then mass produce a bunch for later use!

Rope coils made too:

Starting making measurements on the bowsprit and immediately found a pretty large difference between the parts listing and the drawings... a difference of 10mm in two cases. WIll ask for some help and do some checking with other plans.

More when I can!

 

[LyleK1]

Last update for a while... off on the boat soon!

 

Fitted the bowsprit and masts... alignment is good! Just need to add the details before final placement.

 

Have a great summer!