Lt. Biggles Posted February 24, 2021 Author #31 Posted February 24, 2021 I know the main thing about a build log are the progress pictures. So I’ve got the hulls off and as most ship builds go... I’ve started drilling out the port holes. So some progress at last! Old Collingwood, Canute, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted February 24, 2021 #32 Posted February 24, 2021 By the end of 1943 she had lost her 6in gun barrels but kept the barbetts, also around this time they moved her boot topping highter up as she was sitting deeper in the water due to her various injuries including only having Three props working. So say for mid 1943 dutring her Italian opps - she still had her 6in guns 8 of them, her boot topping was towards the top of her flat area above the torpedo bulge (before going upwards where it slopes) but the rest is as normal. OC. Egilman, lmagna, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Lt. Biggles Posted February 24, 2021 Author #33 Posted February 24, 2021 More great info thanks! I’ll model her for mid 1943! She had a very busy career in both world wars! Been learning a lot. Im looking forward to this build! mtaylor, popeye the sailor, lmagna and 3 others 6 Quote
Lt. Biggles Posted February 25, 2021 Author #34 Posted February 25, 2021 Been able to put abit more time into the ship instead of research so drilled out the port holes. Plan is to connect the 2 hulls which dry fit together very well and then glue the 3 deck pieces on with any other hull parts and paint the whole thing like that. Before adding the wood deck. will try adding the armour plates with layers of primer and if that doesn’t work with thin paper from a refill pad which are much thinner than printer paper. For panel lines I’m wondering if I’ll pre shade them rather than scribe them as these ones are a lot more hidden in photographs Egilman, lmagna, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted February 25, 2021 #35 Posted February 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Lt. Biggles said: Been able to put abit more time into the ship instead of research so drilled out the port holes. Plan is to connect the 2 hulls which dry fit together very well and then glue the 3 deck pieces on with any other hull parts and paint the whole thing like that. Before adding the wood deck. will try adding the armour plates with layers of primer and if that doesn’t work with thin paper from a refill pad which are much thinner than printer paper. For panel lines I’m wondering if I’ll pre shade them rather than scribe them as these ones are a lot more hidden in photographs All those port holes "yep remember them" those square pieces running down from above the torpedo bulge slope and down the flat ridge, they need sanding flat with the flat ridge but keeping on the slope as they represent drainage pipes. (the areas I have marked within the red area - the same for the whole length of the hull) OC. lmagna, Egilman, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Lt. Biggles Posted February 26, 2021 Author #36 Posted February 26, 2021 On 2/26/2021 at 6:06 AM, Old Collingwood said: All those port holes "yep remember them" those square pieces running down from above the torpedo bulge slope and down the flat ridge, they need sanding flat with the flat ridge but keeping on the slope as they represent drainage pipes. (the areas I have marked within the red area - the same for the whole length of the hull) OC. Sweet! I had a look and shall remove them. I’d not even noticed! Thanks Egilman, Landlubber Mike, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote
Lt. Biggles Posted February 26, 2021 Author #37 Posted February 26, 2021 The hull has been glued together. the internal structure really helps keep the shape right. Glued them in first and let them set then glued the stern and slowly zipped it up to try get a smooth as possible join. fitted together well with just a bit of an edge. I used Tamiya filler. The Vallejo filler is great if you can wash off any excess and get it perfect before it goes off. But I find it’s too rubbery to sand. Tamiya is perfect for sanding but it’s a lot thicker can start to work on some of the hull details next lmagna, Canute, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted February 26, 2021 #38 Posted February 26, 2021 Thats a great start with the hull - if I remember mine was quite good the way the two sides went together. When you get to put the deck pieces down I think mine had a slight gap that wasn't a real issue as the wood stick on deck covered that. OC. mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Egilman and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Old Collingwood Posted February 27, 2021 #39 Posted February 27, 2021 Oh, If your still going to have a go at doing some armour belts I would do them before putting your prop shafts on (like I didn't) it will help tp get a smoother run - nothing in the way. OC. popeye the sailor, Canute, lmagna and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Lt. Biggles Posted February 27, 2021 Author #40 Posted February 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: Oh, If your still going to have a go at doing some armour belts I would do them before putting your prop shafts on (like I didn't) it will help tp get a smoother run - nothing in the way. OC. Good to know. But I’m only going to armour plate the sides of the hull and leave underneath alone. I think it will add a nice element to the hull. mtaylor, Egilman, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted February 27, 2021 #41 Posted February 27, 2021 45 minutes ago, Lt. Biggles said: Good to know. But I’m only going to armour plate the sides of the hull and leave underneath alone. I think it will add a nice element to the hull. No problem my friend, I was abit ocdc with mine hence why I did underneath aswel, but the side will do just as good. OC. popeye the sailor, Canute, lmagna and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Lt. Biggles Posted February 28, 2021 Author #42 Posted February 28, 2021 I’m definitely not OCD but probably should have been haha. But been able to do a good amount over the weekend. Got most of the hull details on. From what I could find the stern lower port holes were covered up before mid 1943. I’ll wait till it’s painted before I add the barrels. My last build really taught me what stages to spend lots of time on and what parts don’t matter so can already tell this build will be abit faster and hopefully better than my last one... fingers crossed! popeye the sailor, mtaylor, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted March 1, 2021 #43 Posted March 1, 2021 Looking good, good move on filling in the lower ports at the stern, as they would have been a wee bit close to the sea from her extra weight, I see you are doing her with the 6in barbetts on her waist, cool if oyu have the brass barrels they will super nice. OC. mtaylor, Canute, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Lt. Biggles Posted March 1, 2021 Author #44 Posted March 1, 2021 22 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: Looking good, good move on filling in the lower ports at the stern, as they would have been a wee bit close to the sea from her extra weight, I see you are doing her with the 6in barbetts on her waist, cool if oyu have the brass barrels they will super nice. OC. Thanks, I’ll keep her as close as I can to when I’m going for, seems from what I can find her 6 inch guns were taken out and concreted in during her next refit near the end of 1943, that’s also when the boot strap was thickened. Can’t find anything on if the camo pattern changed so will just use the box camo as it is meant to be the 1943 version anyway. mtaylor, Egilman, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote
Lt. Biggles Posted March 1, 2021 Author #45 Posted March 1, 2021 Basic hull all put together. I’m making a start on the armour plates... thanks to info provided by OC and RGL! Thanks guys, huge help!! should get the effect I’m after without spending a week getting them super super perfect! Canute, Landlubber Mike, Egilman and 3 others 6 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted March 1, 2021 #46 Posted March 1, 2021 Looking really good mate - thats a neat looking pic on your monitor 😉😊 Absolute pleasure to be able to help. OC. Egilman, popeye the sailor, Canute and 2 others 4 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Lt. Biggles Posted March 2, 2021 Author #47 Posted March 2, 2021 On 3/2/2021 at 11:52 AM, Old Collingwood said: Looking really good mate - thats a neat looking pic on your monitor 😉😊 Absolute pleasure to be able to help. OC. I was quite impressed with the quality of the pic! I enlarged it and it was still in super detail! Here are the results of your drawing. Canute, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote
Lt. Biggles Posted March 2, 2021 Author #48 Posted March 2, 2021 I did a few coats with tamiya spray on primer but ran out so did a few coats with just a spare grey paint. went over it a few extra times to try get a slight unsmooth surface but dried pretty flat once the paint layers were added. I’ll get all the edges nice and sharp and it should show through as a nice subtle effect. I was quite pleased uncarina, mtaylor, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted March 3, 2021 #49 Posted March 3, 2021 "Hey - thats the ticket" looking Nice........those should look Really nice under the camo, dont forget the squared raised peice of armour reinforcement at the top of the bow underneath the Fairleads - should come down about 8-9feet from the deck and be about 5/6feet wide. OC. lmagna, Egilman, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Lt. Biggles Posted March 3, 2021 Author #50 Posted March 3, 2021 43 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: "Hey - thats the ticket" looking Nice........those should look Really nice under the camo, dont forget the squared raised peice of armour reinforcement at the top of the bow underneath the Fairleads - should come down about 8-9feet from the deck and be about 5/6feet wide. OC. Ah yes! Thanks!! I’ll add that part next! that was close... mtaylor, Canute, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote
Lt. Biggles Posted March 3, 2021 Author #51 Posted March 3, 2021 Also I’ve got so many shades of grey now that I’m not going to get more! So if the shades aren’t perfect then you will know why! But after all the washes and shading and weathering the original camo colours I use will be very different to the final colour so I’m ok with that. Canute, Old Collingwood, lmagna and 3 others 6 Quote
RGL Posted March 3, 2021 #52 Posted March 3, 2021 Nice work, looks perfect popeye the sailor, Egilman, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Greg
Lt. Biggles Posted March 3, 2021 Author #53 Posted March 3, 2021 Thanks, it’s always a bit of a gamble if you should do one more coat or should have done one less! I’ve been riding the enthusiasm train with this build so making pretty good progress each day, I’ve a feeling eventually there will be a time where it doesn’t get touched for a few days but for now I’m pretty happy! antifouling paint is on today, will grubby it up later on in the build once the hull is painted. Armour plates are visible so wasn’t a waste of tape haha! Landlubber Mike, lmagna, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote
Landlubber Mike Posted March 3, 2021 #54 Posted March 3, 2021 Looks fantastic! Can I ask, when doing this technique to mark the plate runs, do you also mark the vertical edges of the plates? lmagna, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
Lt. Biggles Posted March 3, 2021 Author #55 Posted March 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Landlubber Mike said: Looks fantastic! Can I ask, when doing this technique to mark the plate runs, do you also mark the vertical edges of the plates? Hey mate, I haven’t done anything about vertical panel lines or armour plates, might shade some in later but unsure. From pictures they are almost not visible so at this scale not sure if it would work? Some ships they are a really prominent feature but Warspite seems to hide hers quite well. what are your thoughts on it? lmagna, popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote
Landlubber Mike Posted March 3, 2021 #56 Posted March 3, 2021 Not sure. My Shimakaze hull has the horizontal plating lines already built into the hull so I don't think I need to do the tape technique. I was wondering about the horizontal plate lines though, as in whether I had to etch them into the hull. popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
Lt. Biggles Posted March 3, 2021 Author #57 Posted March 3, 2021 It’s a good question unfortunately well above my knowledge base to answer. But the armour surly isn’t just one long piece so must be joins along the whole armour strip? I’m interested to know though! Will that be your next build? 700 scale again? mtaylor, Landlubber Mike, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted March 3, 2021 #58 Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) Dont know if this might help - it looks like it shows the different decks and frame point locations - perhaps like timber runs on a wood warship - perhaps they might go to alternative frames for strength. OC. Edited March 4, 2021 by Old Collingwood popeye the sailor, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Egilman Posted March 4, 2021 #59 Posted March 4, 2021 The way the Warspite's hull was constructed, (all the Elizabeth class battleships were) was plates bolted to frames from inside, so there would be no noticeable connections on the outside of the hull, horizontal strakes were laid on the hull consisting of vertical plates butted together and bolted to the individual frames. They alternated strakes, first were laid directly on the frames and the frames were built up between succeeding strakes, subsequent strakes were laid over the existing strakes to form the hull..... Vertical seams were cut to very tight tolerances and packed when bolted to the frames..... They would be hardly noticable .... image from her 1941-42 refit in New York Subsequent improvements to the hull over the years, (like the torpedo bulges installed in her 1924 refit) were welded construction....... As you can see from the image it is hard to pick out the vertical plate joints, they are there but even 50 feet away with a high res camera, (for it's day) they are very hard to see, smaller than the ropes holding up the scaffolding.... (image courtesy of Russ Watton from 'Anatomy of the Ship #35 - The Battleship Warspite' published 1986, Naval Institute Press.... At 1/350th? why bother.... popeye the sailor, Canute, Landlubber Mike and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
Egilman Posted March 4, 2021 #60 Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) Another source of info on WWII British Navy warships.... https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/As-detailed-in-the-original-builders-plans/s/126 An excellent detail resource... they are available at many used book resellers... Edited March 4, 2021 by Egilman Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
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