glbarlow Posted February 5, 2022 Share #91 Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) You should plank the deck before adding the bulwarks. Now you’ll need to add a waterway to cover the cracks between the decks and bulwarks, my log shows one It isn’t unusual to have to sand down the top row of bulwark planking some in. A model like LN Edited February 5, 2022 by glbarlow Keith Black 1 Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share #92 Posted February 5, 2022 Funny how I thought about that… then thought about paint… bleeding onto the decking etc.. I’ll just have to do my best with exact fit or use a waterway. And that’s the way the drawings show it. 😳 Keith Black 1 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share #93 Posted February 7, 2022 Hey All - I just couldn’t help myself… had to paint something. I’ve got mixed emotions on where to go next… 2nd planking, deck planking. I am considering the second planking and then paint the exterior complete. AJohnson, Keith Black, BenD and 1 other 4 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted February 7, 2022 Share #94 Posted February 7, 2022 Hi Dave, Looks good so far. I'm also a novice at this but I think either choice is fine based on my own experience. Make sure to remember your paint ratio in case you need to do other fittings/touch ups later on in the build. On 2/5/2022 at 12:42 AM, Dave_E said: Funny how I thought about that… then thought about paint… bleeding onto the decking etc.. What I did on my Fly build was to plank the deck first, then paint the lowest bulwark plank before gluing: This way you get a good fit-up and a clean painted edge. Also, for the second planking, give some thought as to how you want to finish the hull. If you're painting the area below the waterline white, you can afford to be more messy with that section . If you want to use stain/tung oil/etc. you need to be sure not to have excess glue which will block the pores of the wood. Cheers, starlight AJohnson, cdanly, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share #95 Posted February 7, 2022 Thanks Starlight - excellent words. I am painting below the waterline, so I’m using the purple colored walnut strips down low on the hull. Learning a lot on this first build… how the wood sucks up the paint, should I seal the wood to painted first etc.. In my mind, everyone’s first build is just that, it’s their first, where they made mistakes and learn what works, what doesn’t, techniques they do or don’t like etc.. I had never thought about painting the lowest plank on the bulwarks first. That’s what’s so cool about this forum! Thank you. 👍 starlight, LyleK1, BenD and 1 other 4 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0gri Posted February 9, 2022 Share #96 Posted February 9, 2022 Hello Dave,saw your post in Jobbie's brig Supply log.Like you i chose Lady Nelson after much studying of msw and suggestions from members on a first build, but also bought HM Brig Supply at the same time couse i liked the look of her so much.I have to admit i really struggled with the planking,it took three attemps till i was satisfied but this took almost a month of daily work during lockdown.As frustrating as i found it i decided to start Supply to practice my planking.Much to my suprise the planking flew on,i enjoyed myself so much instead of going back to Lady Nelson i decided to crack on with Supply.I'm at the point of fitting the masts and to be honest am dead chuffed at how well shes turned out. The only dissapointment with the caldercraft kit were the instructions(although the Amati were not much better),i think Supply is one of there earlier kits,the instructions for Badger are far better.After reading your log(to which i have subbed)i'm sure you would have no problems as a second build.Whatever you choose as your next build i hope you enjoy it,regards Mark Keith Black and Dave_E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share #97 Posted February 9, 2022 Thank you Mark. Do you have a build log for your ships? Keith Black 1 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share #98 Posted February 12, 2022 Second planking under way… After 1/2 way through the upper section, I saw how my planks were turning into an S shape on the hull. I continued and know I’m going to have to adjust things on the lower. At least the lower half can be filled and will be painted. AJohnson, LyleK1 and Keith Black 3 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyleK1 Posted February 12, 2022 Share #99 Posted February 12, 2022 Looks good… Thst half hull project will you in the future but overall you’re doing fine! Keith Black 1 Quote Lyle "The only thing that stays the same is the constant state of change" Completed Builds: Occre HMS Terror - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2065-hms-terror-occre/ NRG Half Hull Project - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23546-half-hull-project-by-lylek1-nrg/ 1:130 1847 Harvey - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2125-1847-baltimore-clipper-harvey-1130-scale/ Scott Miller's Sea of Galilee Boat - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29007-sea-of-galilee-boat-by-se-miller-120-scale-lylek1/ In progress: Artesania Latina HMS Bounty - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26817-hms-bounty-by-lylek1-artesania-latina-148-scale/ Waiting for dry-dock space: Model Shipways - USS Constitution Master Korbel - Cannon Jolle 1801 A Scratch build -TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbysLunchBox Posted February 12, 2022 Share #100 Posted February 12, 2022 Looks like it is coming along nicely to me. I think there is a bit of an optical illusion because the bow has such sharp curves. Keith Black 1 Quote ~Kirby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted February 12, 2022 Share #101 Posted February 12, 2022 Common problem from not overlapping the next plank to the one above it and starting the taper where they naturally cross. You’ve started all the tapers for the bow too far back. Another reason for the importance of lining the hull. It gets better with practice. WalrusGuy and Keith Black 2 Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbysLunchBox Posted February 13, 2022 Share #102 Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, glbarlow said: starting the taper where they naturally cross Right there is some advice I have somehow either forgotten, didn’t understand, or completely missed before… Keith Black and WalrusGuy 2 Quote ~Kirby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share #103 Posted February 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, KirbysLunchBox said: Right there is some advice I have somehow either forgotten, didn’t understand, or completely missed before… I'm sure that after I've also built 11 wooden model ships, I'll have a complete grasp of the technique. 😀 Until then, so far having a blast, it's fun, it's relaxing. 👍 WalrusGuy and Keith Black 2 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted February 13, 2022 Share #104 Posted February 13, 2022 I’ll skip providing any further comments, enjoy your build. KirbysLunchBox 1 Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbysLunchBox Posted February 13, 2022 Share #105 Posted February 13, 2022 57 minutes ago, glbarlow said: I’ll skip providing any further comments, enjoy your build. I meant what I said in a very sincere way. I came up with a super complicated and not very effective method of trying to figure out when to start the taper. Your advice was very profound and I fully intend to try it when I start my second planking. Keith Black and Dave_E 2 Quote ~Kirby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted February 13, 2022 Share #106 Posted February 13, 2022 😊Not what I was referencing, I’m glad it helps you. Btw, it’s a poor substitute for lining the hull to really get it right but it works. KirbysLunchBox 1 Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share #107 Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, glbarlow said: I’ll skip providing any further comments, enjoy your build. Hey Glen, absolutely no malice intended in my remarks. Some folks get it faster and some folks don’t. I’ve read so many threads and seen work from the ridiculously perfect to the not so perfect (where I fall). And I stand by my remark… one can only get better as you continue in the hobby (I hope). I certainly hope my 2nd build is better than the 1st and so on. I value everyone’s comments and opinions and use their work as something to inspire me… including yours. 👍😊 LyleK1, BenD and Keith Black 3 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share #108 Posted February 18, 2022 OK, got the port side done. The lower band got sporty... yep, I have checks, stealers, fillers and whatever else we can call it. 😄 Sanding, some filler, and paint below the waterline, I think we'll end up OK. 👍 Keith Black, AJohnson, bruce d and 3 others 6 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbysLunchBox Posted February 18, 2022 Share #109 Posted February 18, 2022 Absolutely! All the planks that you will be able to see above the white look spot on to my novice eye. Keith Black and Dave_E 1 1 Quote ~Kirby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share #110 Posted February 23, 2022 Hi All, After sanding, and filling and sanding some more, I'm to the point of stopping... cause if'n I don't, I'll burn through somewhere. Counting on the paint to help with imperfections (I hope). Included pictures of the starboard side in the rough to sanded and filled. On to the main and upper wales while I'm in a plank bending frame of mind, then the decks. The transome was sporty. I am amazed how strong these things are. I was really man handling it while working on it. I'm also glad it looks better 2-3 feet away. 😆 Keith Black, CiscoH, Quimp Slattery and 9 others 12 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyleK1 Posted February 23, 2022 Share #111 Posted February 23, 2022 Well done, Dave! Looks good all sanded up! Dave_E, KirbysLunchBox and Keith Black 3 Quote Lyle "The only thing that stays the same is the constant state of change" Completed Builds: Occre HMS Terror - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2065-hms-terror-occre/ NRG Half Hull Project - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23546-half-hull-project-by-lylek1-nrg/ 1:130 1847 Harvey - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2125-1847-baltimore-clipper-harvey-1130-scale/ Scott Miller's Sea of Galilee Boat - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29007-sea-of-galilee-boat-by-se-miller-120-scale-lylek1/ In progress: Artesania Latina HMS Bounty - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26817-hms-bounty-by-lylek1-artesania-latina-148-scale/ Waiting for dry-dock space: Model Shipways - USS Constitution Master Korbel - Cannon Jolle 1801 A Scratch build -TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share #112 Posted February 25, 2022 Hi All, Good hard couple of days. First picture is the stern facia... red arrows show where I broke it while working with it, green arrows are where I had to cut to resize it to fit. Somewhere way back when assembling the frames, I got that last one a little mis-shaped and have had to adjust everything. 😐 I have filled the gaps and with paint, I think it will be fine. I've been gripping the hull pretty good and must now get the dinky, fragile parts "feel" going. Got the main wales on. But where I need ya'lls help is the stand mounts. As you can see by the picture, they are rather loose and really don't fit. These are what came in the Amati kit. How do you secure these to the keel with such a sloppy fit of the brass mounts? cdanly, Keith Black, DanielD and 2 others 5 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted February 25, 2022 Share #113 Posted February 25, 2022 Hi Dave, Might be worth checking out some of the other Lady Nelson logs to see how others tackle this problem. I suspect it will depend on if you want the model to be detachable from the mounts. Some modelers permanently fasten them. You could try padding the inside of the jaws with some felt or something to take up the gap. -starlight Keith Black and Dave_E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyleK1 Posted February 25, 2022 Share #114 Posted February 25, 2022 Sand to fit.... for the mount included in the kit. Brass mounts usually are mounted with a bolt through the keel. I f you don't have access, its problematic! Or you could fashion your own mount! Lots of choices. Keith Black and Dave_E 2 Quote Lyle "The only thing that stays the same is the constant state of change" Completed Builds: Occre HMS Terror - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2065-hms-terror-occre/ NRG Half Hull Project - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23546-half-hull-project-by-lylek1-nrg/ 1:130 1847 Harvey - https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2125-1847-baltimore-clipper-harvey-1130-scale/ Scott Miller's Sea of Galilee Boat - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29007-sea-of-galilee-boat-by-se-miller-120-scale-lylek1/ In progress: Artesania Latina HMS Bounty - https://modelshipworld.com/topic/26817-hms-bounty-by-lylek1-artesania-latina-148-scale/ Waiting for dry-dock space: Model Shipways - USS Constitution Master Korbel - Cannon Jolle 1801 A Scratch build -TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted February 26, 2022 Share #115 Posted February 26, 2022 Hi Dave, I have just gone through that process on my ‘Nisha’ and I permanently fix my models to the pedestals and bases, so I have firm foundation before adding delicate masts and small parts. Other builders keep them on detacheable cradles, think down to personal choice. LyleK1, Dave_E and Keith Black 2 1 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdanly Posted February 28, 2022 Share #116 Posted February 28, 2022 Nice plank work! I love the finish color. Dave_E and Keith Black 2 Quote Current build: Great Lakes wooden steamer Oscoda, scratch built 60" model length. For R/C Previous builds (R/C): Midwest steam tug Seguin Dumas PT-109 Robbe "Sea Wolf" submarine A few others as well Future projects: New CAP Maquettes "Le Marignan" fishing trawler for R/C 7' "J" class racing yacht for R/C and, and, and!.......... 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share #117 Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Hi All, I am using the LN as a learning curve (while hopefully building a model I’ll be proud of and will look good). I’ve decided to do the deck planking authentically, meaning to scale. I will not be trying the tree nails for this scale. I want y’all’s help with my math. If I measure the “deck length” in mm, I get 265. At 1:64 scale, that should be 55’. I read somewhere that deck planks were usually 6, 9 or 12’. Ok, so if I decide the shipyard is going to use 12’ planks that would convert to 57 mm (rounded down), correct? I just edited the post after reading that decking would/might have normally been in the 20-30’ range? Now I’m going to show my novice research skills… I have none. 😊 Edited February 28, 2022 by Dave_E Keith Black 1 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted February 28, 2022 Share #118 Posted February 28, 2022 Dave, in old photos of ship decks you can't/don't see tree nails. I think they're cool but not realistic. At 1:64 one foot = 0.1875 inches. That would make the deck length 10.4331 inches or 55.6 feet at scale. 30' = 5.625", 28' = 5.25", 26' = 4.875", 24' = 4.5", 22' = 4.125", and 20' = 3.75". Adjust plank lengths as required for the plank ends to fall center of the beams which are placed every fourth frame. The plank end pattern should fall on a different beam at least every third plank to spread the load. The problem comes when making the plank widths to scale, 6" = .09375". This is where authenticity and reality/practicality meet. Even making the planks 12" to scale (which they would never be that wide due to cupping) would only make them 0.1875". Paul Le Wol 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share #119 Posted February 28, 2022 Hi Keith, I’ll turn this into mm and layout the frames. Thank you! 👍😀 Keith Black and Quimp Slattery 2 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted February 28, 2022 Share #120 Posted February 28, 2022 Dave, if you can cut your planks widths to 0.10 inch without issue it would be well worth doing. I don't have the means to do so, I'd have to go with a wider plank out of necessity. Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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