42rocker Posted March 4, 2013 #31 Posted March 4, 2013 Sounds like you are enjoying your build. Looking good Later 42rocker Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while Current Build -- Triton Cross Section
rummy Posted March 7, 2013 Author #32 Posted March 7, 2013 A few more pictures.Bent the beams for the gun deck and installed planking for one half lower deck. Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
Pete38 Posted March 7, 2013 #33 Posted March 7, 2013 Planking looks nice. Good contrast between it and the deck beams. Are you going to treenail? Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Rustyj Posted March 7, 2013 #34 Posted March 7, 2013 Hi Larry. Your deck looks really nice. Now with that said I really hate to say it but there is not an opening on the lower deck. There should be 3 carlings between the ledges there. The opening like you have is on the upper gun deck. Sorry. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
rummy Posted March 7, 2013 Author #35 Posted March 7, 2013 Thank You for your response.Pete If I treenail it will be the phoney kind.Rusty I had to think a while if I was going to fill that area in but I decided that the blige look so empty maybe a freight elevator would help.I will also add ballist, water barrels and such.I may decide differently after the upper decks are on.It's an easy fix.You Guys are really sharpe. Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
42rocker Posted March 7, 2013 #36 Posted March 7, 2013 That's something thing that I've thought about also is adding items in the lower hold. rummy your thinking about ballast and water barrels and I have also been thinking about anchor rope and other things. Interesting to think about. Later 42rocker Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while Current Build -- Triton Cross Section
rummy Posted March 7, 2013 Author #37 Posted March 7, 2013 May I explain why i'm doing a quick build.I started the Syren last year got about half done when I came on another ship.I worked it about 6 months.Now I have decided to do a scratch build Triton.I really love this.I know I am not following the exact plans but if I don't finish This quickly and finish the other 2 builds they may wind up not being finished Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
Long9Ron Posted March 7, 2013 #38 Posted March 7, 2013 Larry It's looking really nice. How long did you soak your beams for and how long did you let them dry before using them? Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
rummy Posted March 7, 2013 Author #39 Posted March 7, 2013 Rocker there seems to be a lot that could be added.I hadn't tought of ropes. Ron,I soaked the beams about 3 hours in hot water then let them dry overnight. Thanks Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
Rustyj Posted March 7, 2013 #40 Posted March 7, 2013 Hi Larry, I glad to hear that it was intentional. Great Idea about adding additional items too. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Matrim Posted March 8, 2013 #41 Posted March 8, 2013 That looks like Holly, are you caulking? or going for a pure look.. Joss ...
rummy Posted March 9, 2013 Author #42 Posted March 9, 2013 Joss,This is my first scratch build so I would not trust myself with good wood like like holly.This is basswood painted.Yes I am going to caulk the main deck.I didn't know if the lower decks were caulked. Thanks Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
augie Posted March 9, 2013 #43 Posted March 9, 2013 Just dropping in on the dark side Larry. She is really shaping up. Say, if you're thinking of adding ballast keep in mind a layer of stones on the very bottom. They can look nice under the casks, etc. Carry on, mate Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
rummy Posted March 13, 2013 Author #44 Posted March 13, 2013 Thank You Augie for your advice.I will add the rock. A few more pictures of treenailing with toothpicks Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
Long9Ron Posted March 13, 2013 #45 Posted March 13, 2013 Looking good Larry. Nice to watch you build. It looks like you decided not to stain the toothpicks. Do you have a closeup picture of the finished outer planking using the toothpicks? I would like to see how much they stand out without the stain. Thanks Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
Pete38 Posted March 13, 2013 #46 Posted March 13, 2013 Very nice Larry, really do like your decking. Will you be stain the treenails after they are all installed? Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
rummy Posted March 13, 2013 Author #47 Posted March 13, 2013 Hello Ron and Pete,I really do not know what to do with the treenails.The first couple of pictures show the tooth picks.They just don't look right.To big I think.The other pictures show just the drilled holes.So I'll keep thinking and playing with them. I went to the Goodwill today to look for wood and I found this block of nice wood.I cannot figure out what it's purpose is or what kind of wood it is.It's heavy. Any ideas? Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
Pete38 Posted March 13, 2013 #48 Posted March 13, 2013 Don't have a clue to what type wood that is, by the pictures the grain looks fairly straight and tight. On the treenails what size bit did you use to drill the holes. At 1:48 scale about a #76 bit would be about the right size. I had tried toothpicks on a test board and I could never get them to come out right. So I switched to the draw plate and bamboo skewers. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
rummy Posted March 14, 2013 Author #49 Posted March 14, 2013 Pete I think that was my problem. I used a tapered diamond bit.I'll try again with the right bit.I don't have a draw plate, so it's toothpicks are nothing Thanks Pete Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
42rocker Posted March 14, 2013 #50 Posted March 14, 2013 rummy The only time that I have seen a board like that was one that was made for small weights for a balance scale. That said the ones on the right are a lot deeper than the ones that I've seen. Good Luck on finding out what it is for. Your cross section is coming along nicely. Later 42rocker Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while Current Build -- Triton Cross Section
mtaylor Posted March 14, 2013 #51 Posted March 14, 2013 Larry, I think 42rocker is right. It looks like it's part of a decorative balance scale sold in some "shops". Is the wood lightweight? Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
rummy Posted March 14, 2013 Author #52 Posted March 14, 2013 I know no one would say it but my treenailing was very bad, down right ugly.I have removed it. In reference to the pictures,it is a fine piece of canvas just waiting for the artist.I wish I knew one.If this does not turn out I'll remove it also.Back to work Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
Pete38 Posted March 14, 2013 #53 Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Larry, You only have to please yourself. If on this second try you like it then it will be good enough, if you want to rip it off and redo it again then do so as many times as you want. We are here to support you in your hobby. Just have fun doing it Have you condsidered drilling the treenail with a bit then using a wood filler to simulate the nails. I know this has been done on quite a few models here on the site. Chuck's praticum onthe Sultana uses this method and it turned out really nice. Just an idea Edited March 14, 2013 by Pete38 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
AnobiumPunctatum Posted March 14, 2013 #54 Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Larry, I used a tape to mark the position of the treenails. I attached two pictures to show what I mean. The second picture shows all wholes for the treenails drilled. I used 0.9mm nails. today I would do the wholes for 0.5mm treenails. Perhaps the pictures help you. Edited March 14, 2013 by AnobiumPunctatum Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
mtaylor Posted March 14, 2013 #55 Posted March 14, 2013 Larry, I thought the treenails looked pretty good. And a whole lot better than what mine looked like.... Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
rummy Posted March 14, 2013 Author #56 Posted March 14, 2013 Christian,the tape is a very good idea and yes I did use an 0.6 mm for the holes and it came out much better. Mark,Thanks for the kind words.It is impossiable for your nails to look worse than mine.How do I know,because if they did the "Ugly Police" would have hauled you off long ago I think I'm getting the hang of it.Now for the toothpicks and how to stain them. Thanks for Everyones Help Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
Rustyj Posted March 15, 2013 #57 Posted March 15, 2013 Hi larry. The second time turned out very nice! Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
AnobiumPunctatum Posted March 15, 2013 #58 Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Your wholes are now looking really nice, but you made a small mistake. You need two treenails for each plank on each frame or easier on each double frame. If you want to show some of the frames have also a look to the alignment. The right wholes are a little bit outside of the frames. If not don't worry, noone will see it later. Edited March 15, 2013 by AnobiumPunctatum Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
Long9Ron Posted March 15, 2013 #59 Posted March 15, 2013 Larry Thanks for the tea tip. I may try a batch with some milk and sugar. Christian has a point there. What is the standard for the Triton? Two treenails or one in each outer plank? I know that this was mentioned somewhere in the Victory build, but I can't remember where or if it was for the decking. Russ may know about the Triton. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
AnobiumPunctatum Posted March 15, 2013 #60 Posted March 15, 2013 It depends of the width of the planks. For the planking of the hull I found: if the planks are less 8'' width there is one treenail, if the planks have a width greater than 11'' there are 2 treenails For the deck planking I found the following: Planks less than 6'' width one treenail, all other two treenails. (Source: Wolfram zu Mondfeld, Historische Schiffsmodelle) Perhaps someone can verify this with another source. Long9Ron 1 Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
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