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She is coming along very nicely.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

Posted (edited)

Thanks, Keith and Wefalck!

 

At this point, the model looks more like a boat than ever.

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Gluing and pinning the port stanchions (and knightheads) was a much faster process than on the starboard side. Especially pinning them, I did a much better job this time of making sure the hole was sufficiently cleared before gluing in the pin.

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Adding the bulwarks took a bit more time. I started at the bow.

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I realized that the wood needed to take a bit of a curve upward in the middle of the hull to fit properly, so I dampened it and clamped overnight so it would take the proper shape.

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I then worked my way back, cleaning up excess glue as I went. Finally, I added the corner pieces of the aft rail and trimmed off the excess bulwark length.

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Next up, I need to paint the topsides and add the cap rails. Based on photos, some lanchas didn't have cap rails, but most did, plus they'll cover the brass pins in the stanchions. I wish I had copied the templates for the covering boards, that would make this much easier.

 

With hatch covers temporarily placed:

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Edited by JacquesCousteau
Posted (edited)

I’ve made some progress on the rudder. The plans show a multi-part, rather complex rudder, below, in which the rudder shaft is particularly thick at the top where the tiller is inserted.

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However, not all lanchas had rudders constructed in such a way. The rudder below, for instance, shares the thicker top of the rudder shaft, but seems to be constructed entirely from a single piece of (very heavily worn) wood.

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Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/luchinmardones/5312311416/

 

I decided to go for a single-piece rudder, created from basswood of the same thickness as the keel, but left thick at the top and narrowed slightly below. After drawing up a rudder shape and leaving it a little wide to allow for shaping, I used a fretsaw to cut it out of a basswood sheet.

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So far, so good. The same day, I also made the rudder for my new Bateau de Lanvéoc build, which has a much narrower, more vertical profile. Perhaps influenced by this, I thought that the rudder I made for the lancha looked too long. So, while shaping it, I trimmed a bit off the end.

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Although I think it looks good, there’s one problem: if you look at the photo above, or the one below, it’s very noticeable that many (although not all) lanchas tend to have rather large rudders, probably to help deal with the poor turning abilities that Vairo noted in his article. The rudder I made may now be a bit on the short side.

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Source: https://www.carlosvairo.com/galeria-puerto-montt-lanchas-chilotas

 

I can leave it as it is, but there may be a work-around. One detail that stood out to me about the Quenita (the lancha that my plans are, in theory, based on) is that, as seen below, its rudder had an extension attached to the end. Possibly the rudder was damaged and repaired, or perhaps the owner decided that its turning abilities were lacking and so tacked on an extra strip of wood to try to correct it.

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Source: http://lanchaschilotas.com/dscn7150-2/

 

This, then, might be another option. I’m a bit torn between liking the looks of the slimmer rudder, and liking the aspects of telling a story with the model by having an extended rudder.

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Edited by JacquesCousteau
Posted

 Jacques, I like the rudder with the piece added in the last photo. If you keep the rudder with the added piece will you add the metal strapping? 

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                             Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted

Thanks, @Keith Black and @Glen McGuire! Yes, I would definitely include the metal straps.

 

Speaking of metal, I'm rapidly approaching the point where I'll need to start adding some metal parts for the rudder hinges and rigging. I'm trying to decide how to proceed with them. On one hand, I already blackened the turnbuckles back during my canoa build, and the blackening process itself is not difficult and seems to give good, even results (assuming I can buy any blackening fluid here). On the other hand, the blackening process entails working with some rather toxic chemicals that are hard to get rid of, which I don't love working with. So, I was considering just painting the metal, but to do that properly I'll need to pick up some metal primer and a better gunmetal paint than I can make by mixing the craft paints I have, and I'm not sure how well it will turn out compared to blackening (especially for the anchor chain--painting a chain seems difficult).

 

Besides this, I'm pretty slow at metalworking and suspect I'll need to learn how to solder, so visible progress on this build may slow down a bit.

Posted
6 hours ago, JacquesCousteau said:

So, I was considering just painting the metal,

I have never had much success with paint - particularly on brass. No matter how well I prepare the brass the paint seems to be easily damaged or subsequently flakes off. If you do try painting and have success I would be interested to know what you did and details of the paint etc etc. Good luck.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

Previous Builds:-

 

Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/

Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702

J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029

 

Other Topics

Nautical Adventures

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846

 

 

Posted

@KeithAug I have only painted a few very small metal parts, but mostly just touch-up work or parts that were barely handled. I thought I remembered that Thukydides's Alert build made extensive use of painted brass, but upon double-checking, I see that he did a mix of painting and blackening because he wasn't wholly satisfied with the paint. Blackening may be the way to go, especially for parts like the anchor chain.

Posted

 I've had the best success painting brass by first applying a coat of poly and then painting with craft acrylic paint.

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                             Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted

Brass parts to be handled other than for assembly probably require an etching primer. My models are barely handled, so I am ok with painting directly on brass. However, I mainly spray-paint, which makes it easier.

 

Using a solvent-based varnish as primer might go a long way to facilitate brush-paining with acrylics, because bare brass has a slightly hydrophobic surface, regardless how well you clean it.

 

Other people actually use paper, cardboard or styrene for metal-bands, which is fine as long as there is no load on these parts.

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted

With brass I have found you need to:

  1. Make sure you get all the chemicals from the etching process off of it by cleaning well with acetone
  2. rough up the surface a bit to improve adhesion
  3. Use a primer (ideally sprayed)
  4. Once the painting is done seal it with some sort of varnish

If you do all of those things then it seems to turn out relatively durable. Many of the same steps need to be done to stop the blackening from coming off if you go that route. But all of that is a real pain. What I have discovered is in many cases if what you are doing is purely decorative then you can get away with using paper which is painted and sealed with varnish. So eyebolts and the like I used blackening, but any metal banding (such as on the anchors) I just used paper.

 

I also like the rudder with the piece on the end of it :).

 

Looking good.

Posted

Thanks, all, for the advice, it's very helpful! There are some metal parts that I can get away with making from paper, like the band that holds the bowsprit to the stem. Many parts of the rigging parts will have to be metal, though, as will the rudder hinges, due to the pressure they'll be under. I'm going to take a look and see if any etching or solvent-based primers are readily available, but if not, it looks like I can get blackening solution here for only a little more than it costs in the US.

Posted

Hey Jacques, I have used small pieces of copper tape and glue them on. then applied tiny drops of blacking solution just on the copper.

Current builds: 

refurbish basswood sea of  Galilee boat


Back on the shelf: 

Gretel - Mamoli

Nonsuch 30 - 1:24 - Model Shipway

 

Completed builds:

Le Martegaou- 1:80 - Billing Boats

Mini Oseberg no 302 -Billing Boats

Sea of Galilee boat

Lowell Grand Banks dory,         Norwegian sailing pram

Muscongus bay lobster smack

Peterboro Canoe- Midwest

Captain John Smith’s shallop - Pavel Nikitin

Chesapeake double kayak

Posted (edited)

A bit more progress before getting to the metalwork and rigging. First, due to wood contraction after successive washes, fairly large gaps had opened up around one of the planks in the main hatch:

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These looked excessive to me, so I used alcohol to remove the plank and replaced it with a pre-colored one. Still some tiny gaps, but much less noticeable:

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I've also started making the cap rails.

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And painting the topsides. Sources agree that the "classic" color scheme was a black hull with perhaps white wales or topsides. However, from photos it's clear that a wider range of colors came into use in the second half of the 20th Century. I particularly like the blue-green topsides shown below in a photo from 1964:

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Source: 

https://ceph-puerto-montt.blogspot.com/2009/02/album-del-recuerdo-imagenes-de-nuestra_22.html?m=1

 

My first attempt at getting the paint right was done late at night, and the color seemed close. But seen in the light of day, it looks much too intense:

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I added a bit of cream color to lighten it, and a bit of orange, which, being from the opposite side of the color wheel, should reduce the intensity a bit. The bowsprit received a coat of this. As seen below (the bowsprit is on top), the color difference is minimal. I'm not sure if this means I should add a bit more orange or what.

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(The ragged edge between colors, which looks terrible now, will be covered by pre-painted rubbing strakes.)

Edited by JacquesCousteau
Posted

I gather this would be a colour often referred to as 'duck egg blue'. Adding a wash of ochre could get you there or mixing it up for another coat. Adding orange possible makes it too dark.

 

I would assume that the owner's would put on any colour they could lay their hands on (like the famous houses in the La Boca area of Buenos Aires) and that took their fancy. Black hulls with white trims has been the fashion since the middle of the 19th century. Black and white are also among the cheapest colours you can get. It was only after WW2, when synthetic pigments made it possible to have the same price for all colours.

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted
4 hours ago, wefalck said:

Adding a wash of ochre could get you there or mixing it up for another coat. Adding orange possible makes it too dark.

Thanks, adding a bit of a light brown worked perfectly! In the photo below, the bulwarks are still in the original, while the head of the rudder is in the revised color. It's a much better match for the look I was after.

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Yes, the color schemes chosen over time undoubtedly reflected the price and availability of different paints over time. Once more colors became cheaply available, Chilotes adapted to adding a splash of color to personalize their lanchas.

Posted

 They may have also mixed paints, a half gallon of this and two gallons of that which would make tying to duplicate a nightmare. 

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                             Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted

A bit more progress. First, I've cut the cap rails approximately to size--the width is good, I just need to get the joints right and trim the aft end. From what I can tell, these would have been simple butt joints, possibly to reduce the complexity of repairing them. I've colored the underside with a black wash, the top will be white.

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I also did a bit of weathering to the topsides, drawing inspiration (but not really copying) the work that FriedClams did on his dragger build. I didn't want to go overboard on the weathering. Some lanchas were certainly quite weathered, like that shown below: 

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Source: https://www.carlosvairo.com/galeria-puerto-montt-lanchas-chilotas

 

But others were in better condition--still used, but not quite so ragged. 

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Source: https://ceph-puerto-montt.blogspot.com/2009/02/album-del-recuerdo-imagenes-de-nuestra_22.html?m=1

 

To get the look I wanted, I did a bit of light sanding here and there with a relatively rough-grit sandpaper. This left some scrapes of bare wood exposed, and in other places let the different tones of the earlier paint coats come through, creating slight variations that add to the look. I then added a dark wash to help even things out a bit and reduce the brightness of the exposed wood. I especially tried to apply the wash more heavily under the scuppers to suggest drainage stains. I may play around with a few more washes, especially after the rub rail is added.

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I plan on treating the bottom of the hull in a similar way.

Posted

I did a bit more weathering to the topsides. Tests with a thin white wash seemed promising, so I decided to go for it. Seeing it on the full hull, though, I don't know if I added a layer too many and overdid it.

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Weathering is tricky!

Posted
1 hour ago, JacquesCousteau said:

Weathering is tricky!

 Yes it is and even more so by folks like myself who are relatively new to the process. 

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                             Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted

Very nice progress, Jacques. Really like that toned down blue.
 

2 hours ago, JacquesCousteau said:

I don't know if I added a layer too many and overdid it.


I find weathering to be a process and I’m often not happy with an initial result. Try stepping away from it for a few hours, or better still overnight. Sometimes a fresh look will tell you what it needs.

 

Gary

Current Build   Pelican Eastern-Rig Dragger  

 

Completed Scratch Builds

Rangeley Guide Boat   New England Stonington Dragger   1940 Auto Repair Shop   Mack FK Shadowbox    

 

Posted (edited)

Thanks, Gary! While I'm overall happy with how my Canoa de Rancho build turned out, I think I handled the weathering a bit inconsistently there. I could give reasons for why that might be the case on a real Canoa, but for this build, I wanted to be consistent from the start. I put it away over night and came back to it with fresh eyes. I ended up deciding that the final coat of white wash had been excessive, and applying a very light wash of the blue-green shade to correct.

 

I've also painted the cap rails and the aft end of the bowsprit. A lot of lanchas have white rails, so I went with that, first applying a bit of dark wash to tint the wood, and then adding a few layers of white wash.

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On its own, it looked good, but it looked too bright on the model itself. I added another dark wash on top and think it appropriately matches the rest of the hull now, as you can see below (with only the fore rails in place, not yet glued).

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Seeing the cap rails made me rethink my plans for the rubbing strakes. I was originally going to paint these black like the lower hull, but I now think a white stripe could nicely set off the blue above. (There's photo evidence of both ways of painting rubbing strakes). In white, it would look something like the photo below (although a good bit more scuffed-up and scratched):

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Speaking of rubbing strakes, I can't add them until I attach the chainplates for the shrouds at the right angle, as the rubbing strakes will run on top of them. Based on photos, there were lanchas with chainplates outside, and lanchas with the chainplates inside. But I suspect that those with chainplates bent around the exterior had wales rather than rubbing strakes--you would hardly want to weaken a wale by running a chainplate through it, but if you were just adding a rubbing strake as a fender to protect the hull, you would want it to run outside of everything for better protection. (Garnham's cross-section drawings show that only some, not all, lanchas were built with distinct thick wales.) All of which is to say, I think it makes sense for me to run the chainplates under the rubbing strakes.

 

But to do that, I need to figure out the mast dimensions and where the shrouds will attach. I have three main sources on the mast dimensions. First, the plans. Second, dimensions taken by José A Garnham from a somewhat larger lancha (about 4.5 feet longer than what I'm modeling) and included in his diagram of said vessel. Third, a large number of photos. It's worth noting that the mast includes the mast itself, and a separate pole often used for a flag. For now I'm focusing on the mast, not the flagpole. It should also be noted that photos of lanchas in the early 20th century seem to generally depict shorter masts than on later lanchas. As I'm modeling a roughly midcentury vessel, I focused only on the more recent photos (1940s-1980s).

 

More than precise measurements, what I'm looking at is the ratio of hull length to mast height. In many other vernacular watercraft around the world, a set of proportions govern the mast size, and I wouldn't be surprised if the sane held true for Lanchas Chilotas. The actual ratio used could vary: maybe it was based on keel length, maybe on breadth, or maybe something else, and it may have measured the mast length including the portion under the deck. Given that most of these dimensions are unclear in photos, and lanchas generally had similar proportions, I decided to just calculate the ratio of mast height (from the deck upward) to hull length from stem to stern, both of which are easy enough to see in side views. If not enough infornation to figure out what proportions lancha builders actually used (which conceivably could vary between places and/or builders), it should be enough to provide me with a ratio that will result in a mast that looks the right size.

 

Interestingly, the plans and Garnham diagram give pretty different ratios in comparison to the photos. The plans depict the mast height above deck (discounting the flagpole) as exactly equal to the hull length. Garnham's diagram, meanwhile, shows a mast 96% of the length of the hull. These are not all that different from each other, but counting pixels on photos consistently shows proportionally longer masts, ranging from 105% of the hull length, up to 129% of hull length. The average from photos gave a mast 116% of the hull length (still discounting the flagpole).

 

It's possible that hull length measures aren't that precise, as the camera usually wasn't directly to the side of the lancha so there's a slight angle, but 1) in the worst cases I added a few pixels to the hull length to compensate, and 2) in one case where I had two photos of the same lancha, one from directly to the side and one from a slight angle similar to that present in some of the other photos, I took both ratios and found a difference of just 1%, suggesting that the other measures wouldn't be off by that much.

 

Overall, it seems that the plans give too short of a mast, although it's within the observed range of mast heights if Garnham's measurements are taken into account. Yet Garnham's measurements are a definite outlier, about 10% shorter than even the shortest masts found through photographic evidence, and 20% shorter than the average proportions from the photos. It's not that I think Garnham is wrong, but the vessel measured doesn't seem to be wholly typical. (To be fair, I suspect that his book, which I can't access, gives more complete information on masting than I've been able to scrounge up with the few diagrams of his still available on his website.) So, I think it will make sense to make a rather longer mast for my build. I think I'll stick to the short end of the observed spectrum, as it will make the model easier to display and store, but somewhere around 112%-116% of hull length seems reasonable.

 

Next, I'll need to figure out exactly where the shrouds will be on the mast, which will require working out the standing rigging.

Edited by JacquesCousteau
Posted (edited)

 

10 hours ago, Paul Le Wol said:

Hi Jacques, the color combination looks great.

Thanks, Paul!

 

I'm still figuring out the rigging, but in the meantime, I wanted to start considering some options for deck fittings and rigging metalwork. First, there were a number of cleats arranged on the lancha's deck. The plans show them as around 7 mm long at this scale, while the dimensions Graham gives would be about 10 mm at this scale. A while ago, I bought a number of cleats from now-defunct Crafty Sailor for this and other builds, so I finally took out the 7.5mm and 9mm cleats to see how they look. Size-wise, I felt the 9mm cleat looked appropriate (figure to scale). However, as you can see in the image below, the cleats are quite dark and really stand out against the deck, while most photos show cleats pretty much the same color as the deck. (Not to mention that they're a slightly different shape, although it wouldn't be noticeable with a turn of line belayed around them). 

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Source: https://www.carlosvairo.com/galeria-puerto-montt-lanchas-chilotas

 

So, I'll need to decide between trying to lighten the pre-made cleats with a mix of sanding and washes, and just making my own. In any case, I need to make the rather large double-cleats that were placed on deck in strategic locations (see the rigging photo, below), so for consistency's sake just making everything may be better.

 

As for the rigging metalwork, I  already have some turnbuckles that I blackened a long while ago. What I don't have is a way to connect them to the rest of the rigging. I experimented with using copper wire to make a shackle, drawing on the design used by @Paul Le Wol for his Glad Tidings build although without yet making a jig or soldering anything. This was a bit finnicky, and the final design would need to be tightened up a bit, not to mention blackened or painted and to hathe excess wire cut off, but I was surprised by how it turned out. (Not as good as Paul's, but better than I expected without any soldering or jig.)

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While this was a fun experiment, and Paul's method seems like it works great, it's not certain that Chilotes would have actually had shackles on their turnbuckles. The photo below, for instance, seems to just show wire looped directly to the turnbuckle or attached with large iron hooks, although the bottom edge where they connect to the chainplate isn't very clear. (The photo also shows the blocky double-cleat I mentioned earlier).

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Source: https://www.carlosvairo.com/galeria-puerto-montt-lanchas-chilotas

 

Finally, the chainplates. Way back when, having found plain brass strip to be a little tricky to work with, I bought some simple Billings "chainplates" as I figured their seemingly thinner metal may be easier to handle. I also figured that, if I didn't like the look of the blocky end, I could just trim it off.

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By now, I'm not sure if super glue alone will really stand up well to the shear force from the rigging, but I may be able to drill my own smaller holes to secure the chainplate. Meanwhile, to test creating a simple loop at the top, I folded the tip back on itself. I found it very easy to bend and, when I went to anneal it, the annealed part turned silver. I'm not sure if this is a normal reaction to annealing, or if it means these are not actually brass.

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You could make yourself a little jig for making the shackles: just to pins in a piece of wood around which you wind the wire for the shackels. Make sure that you pinch the eyes in a way the connection between them is right in the middle, i.e. are symmetrical to the loop of the shackle.

 

Another method that works for really small shackles is to flatten the wire at both ends a bit with a punch or flat pliers, then drill the holes for the bolt and finally file the ends round. 

 

These guys most probably did not have much access to sophisticated hardware, but then as they found turnbuckles, they may have also found shackles. The turnbuckles, however, do not seem to the marine version.

 

 

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I like the thought of using the long iron hooks to connect to the turnbuckles because are interesting, different and accurate. The rig in the center seems to have one of those wire cable clamps just above the turnbuckle. Lots of interesting stuff on these boats 

Best Regards……..Paul 


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12 hours ago, JacquesCousteau said:

I'm not sure if this is a normal reaction to annealing, or if it means these are not actually brass.

In my experience annealed brass looks like brass. The silvering is a bit unusual. As for the shackles I find that I can get reasonably consistent shackles if I always start with a straight piece of wire cut to the finished length. The ends are bent round the tip of quite fine round nosed pliers, making sure the ring is centred on the straight section. (Most round nosed pliers tend to have jaws which are too big). The straight with hoops at both ends is then bent to create the U shape. 

The build is coming along quite nicely.

Keith

 

Current Build:-

Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24

 

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Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36

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Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931

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J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration.

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Thanks, all, for the likes and helpful comments!

 

Progress has slowed a good bit recently. First it was because I was trying to work out how to make the shrouds, and especially how to make them accurately, but as I worked on that, I decided that I may as well figure out all the rigging details now. Although the lancha is a very simple vessel, relatively speaking, it's nonetheless much more complicated than anything I've built before, and there was a lot for me to learn. John Leather's The Gaff Rig Handbook was helpful in working things out, although the lancha differs differs in a lot of regards from what he shows. As I’ll show below, there are a few points where the plans diverge from common practice or are outright inaccurate according to photo evidence, although they’re generally correct and I would have had a much harder time figuring things out without them.

 

Apologies for the giant post and for repeating in it a few photos and points discussed earlier! I wanted to get everything in a single post (well, actually, two posts) that would be useful not just to explain things, but also for me to go back to and re-read as necessary.

 

Masting and Rigging, Part 1: Masts and Shrouds

 

Overview

In general, the lancha chilota used a pretty standard gaff rig. Standing rigging was limited to a forestay running from the masthead to the tip of the bowsprit, a bobstay to counteract the upward pull on the bowsprit, and a number of shrouds to the side of the mast (I should note that at least some of which might actually be backstays—I’m not totally clear on the distinction in cases when the lines are running more to the side of the mast than aft of it, and some small vessels have what look like shrouds to me but they’re called backstays). Running rigging consisted of the jib halyard and sheets—there does not seem to have been a downhaul on the jib tack—for the jib, and for the gaff, a throat and peak halyard, topping lifts, the main sheet, and, in some but not all lanchas, vangs on the gaff. While the gaff has jaws to hold it around the mast, the boom is attached with a gooseneck. The plan sheet's rigging diagram is shown below; some specific parts will be shown in more detail as necessary.

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The Mast

As mentioned in an earlier post, I determined from photos that the mast given in the plans is a bit shorter, proportionally, than was typical. There are a few other interesting points, too. As the plans correctly show, lancha masts were usually square in cross-section at the deck. They then become round around where the boom is attached (via a gooseneck). The mast stays round throughout the area where the mainsail is attached, then switches back to a square cross-section for the mast head. There are also a pair of small crosstrees located at about this point, which are not shown on the plans. Finally, there’s a small flagpole attached to the front of the masthead and extending upward (and not simply pointing out of the top of the masthead, as shown on the plans).

 

While there was a fair bit of variation in the photographed mast height to hull length proportions that I checked earlier, checking for the location of the gaff and especially the crosstrees by the same procedure revealed much greater consistency. In a sample of six photos with the gaff set, the gaff intersected the mast 69.4-75.7% of the way up the mast, with an average of 72.7% up it. The crosstrees were all located very consistently between 84.3-87.8% of the way up the mast, averaging 85.4%. The dimensions given by Garnham’s diagram (which doesn’t include the gaff) is very close to this, at 83.7%. Finally, photos showed the boom located roughly knee- or thigh-high above the deck.

 

Masthead and Shrouds

As mentioned above, the plans (and many photos) show three shrouds per side, two attached low on the masthead and one near the top. Eyebolts are used to attach all shrouds on the plans (as well as the blocks for the throat and peak halyards and the topping lift). They also show the forestay attached to an eyebolt, with the block for the jib halyard attached to the same point.

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Eyebolts may not have actually been used, though. They may have appeared in more recent lanchas: the masthead of the Quenita, shown below in closeup from the front, clearly has eyebolts as part of a metal band around the mast for one pair of the lower shrouds and for the upper shrouds. But, one pair of shrouds is looped around the mast itself at the crosstrees. It’s hard to tell how the forestay is attached, but it’s not an eyebolt—it looks to possibly be looped around or through the masthead (and around the flagpole). (It’s also not clear how the flagpole is attached to the masthead, as there are no visible bands; it may have just been nailed or screwed into the masthead, as it would have borne very little strain).

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Source: https://lanchaschilotas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/9863788-R2-E004.jpg

 

Older photos seem to show all shrouds looped around the mast without eyebolts, with the lower two pairs supported at the crosstrees, as seen below. It’s not clear to me what sort of ledge in the mast supports the upper pair of shrouds.

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Source: https://www.memoriasdelsigloxx.cl/601/w3-article-1805.html

 

The lancha on the left of this photo seems to have a second, smaller crosstree at the top of the masthead, but upon closer inspection, it looks to be more of a spreader, with the shroud coming off of the end.

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Source: https://www.bibliotecanacionaldigital.gob.cl/bnd/629/w3-article-164339.html

 

It’s also worth noting that, while the plans and many photos show three pairs of shrouds, some photos show two per side or even just one per side. The photo below from 1960, for instance, shows just a single shroud on each side. Incidentally, the chainplate in this case runs inboard of the rub rail, rather than around it.

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Source: https://www.bibliotecanacionaldigital.gob.cl/bnd/629/w3-article-613546.html

 

While the lancha in this photo, from 1959, has two per side (as does the lancha in the top right):

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Source: https://www.bibliotecanacionaldigital.gob.cl/bnd/629/w3-article-164247.html

 

This raises the question of how the shrouds were attached to the hull. I’ve discussed this a bit in earlier posts, but here I’d like to be a bit more systematic to clearly identify different possibilities. According to Edwards, based on research done at midcentury, “Most lanchas now have standing rigging of steel wire, which has all but replaced the rope used formerly. The rigging is set up with rope lanyards rove through rigging eyes and chain plates. Manufactured fittings such as turnbuckles and rigging shackles are rare. Many of the metal fittings are fashioned from miscellaneous scraps of iron which are bent crudely and adapted to use as marine hardware. Often, lengths of wire or iron chain are made up in rather ragtag assemblies to repair broken shrouds and stays.” (p.34, from Clinton R. Edwards, “The Lancha Velera of Chiloé,” The American Neptune Vol. 26 No. 1 [1966]: 33-36). The image above is notable in that there are no turnbuckles anywhere. Instead, it looks to me like there are loops in the ends of the shrouds and the chainplates—at least some of which look to be made of thin metal rods rather than a flat “plate”—with some sort of lanyard, whether rope or wire, joining the loops.

 

Similarly, this image of a lancha with a single shroud per side seems to show more of a flat chainplate with a hole in the top, but a similar lanyard arrangement to connect to the shrouds. (Incidentally, it also shows what looks like a bracket around the end of the bowsprit at top right, although I suppose it could be a rope lashing, and a chain bobstay. The bowsprit details are described below.)

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Source: https://www.bibliotecanacionaldigital.gob.cl/bnd/629/w3-article-164721.html

 

The photo below is interesting. There are no turnbuckles visible. The aftmost chainplate is a single piece and extends, bending, quite a ways above the wale, ending directly in a hook that hooks directly to the shroud. The fore shroud has a shorter chainplate and is connected to the shroud with a smaller hook.

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Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/luchinmardones/5202830330/in/photostream/lightbox/

 

 

Turnbuckles were present in reduced numbers early on, becoming more common later, but were often used in conjunction with assemblages of wire, rope, and metal bars. The image below from 1950 shows two shrouds in detail. The leftmost one has a small turnbuckle at the bottom, apparently attached directly to the chainplate. There is then a twisted segment of wire, with what looks like rope servings, running to a loop through some sort of bullseye or heart that the shroud is wrapped around. The shroud at right has a crude hook connecting to the chainplate; with a wire shroud either looped around it or seized to it with what looks like rope.

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Source: https://ceph-puerto-montt.blogspot.com/2009/02/album-del-recuerdo-imagenes-de-nuestra_22.html

 

In the photo below, it’s interesting that the aftmost shroud pair is thinner than the other two (a fairly common feature), and doesn’t seem to have any turnbuckles to tighten the shroud. None of the turnbuckles have shackles. While the foremost and center port shrouds, and the foremost starboard shroud, all have a turnbuckle each (along with wire loops and hooks), the center starboard shroud is a little different. The turnbuckle there is attached to the chainplate (which seems to culminate in a small hook) with a small double loop (of wire?) and is joined directly to a loop in the end of the wire shroud. But the turnbuckle is also doubled by what seems to be a hooked rod, which ends somewhere unclear. The port foremost shrouds are also joined by a hooked rod, as well. (The photo is also interesting in that it shows very clearly that the blocks for the throat and peak halyard were internally stropped and had hooks. The throat halyard hooks into an eyebolt in the gaff, while the peak halyard appears to hook around some sort of lashing.)

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Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/luchinmardones/5232587713/in/photostream/

 

Even by the 1980s, the shroud setup could be fairly haphazard, as many Vairo photos show. The image below shows a mix of turnbuckles, hooked rods, looped wires, and rope seizings on the three shrouds. (It also shows the jib sheet consists of a single line, belayed to the deck on both ends, running through a loop at the clew of the jib.)

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Source: https://www.carlosvairo.com/galeria-puerto-montt-lanchas-chilotas

 

Initially I had been planning on just doing two shrouds per side, as this is not a very large lancha. However, I’m reconsidering now, as I’m wondering if three shrouds will provide more force to keep the forestay from bending the mast forward. If I do three, though, I’ll need to work out how to connect the topmost shrouds to the masthead, as it’s not totally clear in photos. For the chainplates, I think that using the turnbuckles on about half the shrouds or so makes sense, but rather than making shackles, I’ll just be using hooks and wire loops, as they seem more accurate. The chainplates will need to simply have a hole in them rather than the loop I’ve already made, meaning that I will need to do a lot more brass drilling than I have before, and some of the chainplates should be a hook (as Paul suggested) rather than a flat metal sheet. Finally, I'm considering just placing the chainplates outside of the rubbing strake, rather than under it, as both methods are accurate and it would be much easier to not have to precisely file out slots on the inner side of a thin strip of basswood.

 

Next up: the bowsprit and the running rigging.

 

Posted (edited)

Masting and Rigging, Part 2: Bowsprit and Running Rigging

 

Bowsprit Rigging

The plans show the bowsprit rigging in detail. They show a notch with a sheave in it at the tip of the bowsprit. Nestled in it is a bent metal rod with a hook in both ends, connecting below to the bobstay and above to a turnbuckle that, in turn, connects to the forestay. The tack of the jib is attached to this metal rod below the turnbuckle.

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This does not necessarily seem quite accurate, though. There are some photos that may depict something like this, although they’re not very clear. In the photo below, it’s unclear if the bobstay is culminating in some sort of lashing around the bowsprit, or if it’s entering some sort of notch or sheave (although in that case, it’s not clear what the lashing would be for). It also appears to show a rope bobstay, if the frayed knot on the stem is anything to go by.

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Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/luchinmardones/5202830330/in/photostream/lightbox/

 

But in most images where details can be made out, there seems to be a sort of bracket around the tip of the bowsprit with eyebolts on top and bottom, and no notch/sheave. Here I think we can see such an arrangement on the Quenita, which does have a turnbuckle to connect to the forestay. The tack of the jib also seems to be tied around the bowsprit. I should note that there’s a possibility that this is not in fact a metal bracket but just a rope lashing, but that seems like it would be a much weaker arrangement:

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Source: http://lanchaschilotas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/9863788-R2-E004.jpg

 

In other images, it looks more like they just looped the forestay directly to a loop of wire coming off the bracket, assuming it is a bracket and not a lashing. (Incidentally, I believe that the white rope belayed around one of the mast hoops is for the vang, which does not seem to have been a feature of every lancha.)

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Source: https://www.carlosvairo.com/galeria-puerto-montt-lanchas-chilotas

 

This image, also by Vairo, doesn’t quite show the bracket, but does show the loop in the forestay around a sort of bullseye (or thimble?) with what may be a rope lashing or some sort of wire used to join the forestay. It also shows (mostly—it’s blocked by the anchor) how the bobstay could be attached to the stem, not by an eyebolt as shown on the plans, but with what looks like more of a wire loop running into the sides of the stem. Incidentally, the bobstay here is shown to be a metal rod with hooks in the ends rather than a wire or rope. It’s also very clear that there is no running rigging attached to the tack of the jib.

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Source: https://www.carlosvairo.com/galeria-puerto-montt-lanchas-chilotas

 

I think that I can make a convincing bowsprit bracket out of cardstock, painted and glued with wire loops drilled through it into the bowsprit to affix the forestay and the bobstay. As I've mentioned, it's not wholly clear that the bracket actually was common earlier on, but it seems like a reasonable and realistic option.

 

Running Rigging

Finally, I should briefly mention the running rigging. In general, the plans are pretty accurate about this, although they show all blocks attached to the mast with an eyebolt, which is not necessarily correct (although photos are not very clear on what is correct, then). Peak and throat halyards and their associated blocks appear to be accurately shown on the plan. The jib sheet runs through a loop in the clew of the jib, which photos (including one shown above) confirm is correct. The main sheet is lashed to the boom, runs through the block on the traveler, then through the block on the boom, and finally is belayed on deck, as appears not just in the plans (below) but also in a number of photos. 

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The topping lifts are slightly more complicated. The plan shows them as a single line. It’s lashed to the boom ahead of the sheet (just above “D” in the image above), runs up through a block attached to the masthead between the peak and throat halyard, then back down to the other side of the book where it’s lashed again. This is quite different from how topping lifts are shown in John Leather’s The Gaff Rig Handbook, although then again, other parts of the lancha’s rig don’t quite conform to the book either. It’s tricky to find good photos of the topping lift on lanchas, because many photos are of docked/beached lanchas, in which case the halyards were often led down and lashed around the gaff and boom and look quite similar to a topping lift. In any case, photos seem to conform to the plans. In the photo below, for instance, there’s clearly no block or anything affixed to the topping lift at left:

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Source: https://www.carlosvairo.com/galeria-puerto-montt-lanchas-chilotas

 

Finally, the plans don’t mention vangs. Many photos of lanchas don’t show them, but there are a handful that do. Given that they seem to be rare, I think I will just leave them off my build.

 

 

Back to the Build

 

To create the mast, I took a ¼-inch square piece of cherry and cut it to the proper length, deciding to go with about 112% of the length (so slightly shorter than the average I worked out). Next, using my mini-plane, I tapered it on all sides. I then measured out where the crosstrees and boom gooseneck would be located. Between these, I marked out a rough 7-10-7 split (erring on the side of not cutting enough) to cut an octagonal cross section. I used a simple jig to hold the mast while cutting this with my plane—the jig came from a version of the Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack kit that I resized to 1:32 scale and made with a library laser cutter as a fun project (the “kit” will be built eventually).

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After making an octagon, I sanded the center section of the mast smooth and round. The masthead still needs to be finished. From what I can tell from photos, it should be trimmed on all but the back sides, with the flagpole attached to the fore side.

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Besides the mast, I also added the cap rails and trimmed them to size, and filed out the notches in the aft rail that seem to have been used for sculling oars.

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The build is coming together!

 

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Edited by JacquesCousteau

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