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A few drops of India ink in iso alcohol makes a good wash for dirting up your models. It will collect in any panel lines. It's not as concentrated as the Tamiya washes.

Ken

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, tmj said:

How did you weather/whitewash the PH? Maybe you can still do the same for the roof using not so bright colors... and a bit of dry brushing.

2 hours ago, tmj said:

Use the black for undertones and build up layers of grunge on top, kinda like this.

 Tom, thank you suggestions and I did note the file name. At some point I need to mess around with India ink. In this case of the roofing, I'm trying to represent tar paper not wood but I do like the wall.

 

 The roof is painted with very thin black acrylic paint wash repeated till I was happy with the results. I intentionally left areas without the third and fourth washes. When the roof had dried I thumb rubbed the surface pretty good. I think that did more for me mentally than what it did for the roof. :) 

 

1 hour ago, Canute said:

A few drops of India ink in iso alcohol makes a good wash for dirting up your models. It will collect in any panel lines. It's not as concentrated as the Tamiya washes.

 Thank you, Ken. As I said to Tom above, I do need to get myself to the hobby store and pick up some India ink. I think India ink would have highlighted the individual vertical boards much better than black pastel. I'm still an infant when it comes to weathering techniques. 

 

Edited by Keith Black

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Posted (edited)

You could always just paint the roof flat black, like tarpaper, then put the roof on top of 'your' roof for the summer. That should weather it pretty good and natural like! 🙃 LOL

On second thought, that wouldn't work. The bird poop would be out of scale! 😲

Edited by tmj

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Posted

Has anyone used the old typewriter carbon paper to simulate tar paper?  I think this is still sold as tracing paper.  It is pretty thin.

 

I think there are also fine glitters what could be used to simulate the quartz gravel.   Not sure how well sugar last over the years.  I have heard of Kosher salt being used in modeling to simulate snow in scale.

 

Graphite is soot, which contains things like carbon nanotubes and bucky balls.  Not stuff you want in the lungs. 

 

Laser printer toner is a thermal microplastic.  That could also be used to texture simulated tar paper, and it is heat set, so would melt like tar.

 

I can not remember if india ink is carbon or iron based.  Home despot carries cement blacking which is pure iron oxide as a really fine powder.  A magnet will stick to the plastic jar.  Useful for making conductive ink. Mix with an oil, with alcohol or lighter fluid as a drying agent.

 

-j

 

Posted
5 hours ago, sheepsail said:

Has anyone used the old typewriter carbon paper to simulate tar paper?  I think this is still sold as tracing paper.  It is pretty thin.

 

I think there are also fine glitters what could be used to simulate the quartz gravel.   Not sure how well sugar last over the years.  I have heard of Kosher salt being used in modeling to simulate snow in scale.

 

Graphite is soot, which contains things like carbon nanotubes and bucky balls.  Not stuff you want in the lungs. 

 

Laser printer toner is a thermal microplastic.  That could also be used to texture simulated tar paper, and it is heat set, so would melt like tar.

 

I can not remember if india ink is carbon or iron based.  Home despot carries cement blacking which is pure iron oxide as a really fine powder.  A magnet will stick to the plastic jar.  Useful for making conductive ink. Mix with an oil, with alcohol or lighter fluid as a drying agent.

 Thank you, J. Unfortunately at 1:120 a lot of what I do is merely a suggestion and not replication. I learned long ago that leaving a tiny item to the viewer's imagination was far more affective than trying to actually make something. 

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Posted (edited)
51 minutes ago, Keith Black said:

 Thank you, J. Unfortunately at 1:120 a lot of what I do is merely a suggestion and not replication. I learned long ago that leaving a tiny item to the viewer's imagination was far more affective than trying to actually make something. 

Agreed, At 1/192 my Redjacket will most certainly have many things left to the viewers imagination. i.e. rigging blocks will probably be carefully tied knots in the thread. I have already learned that a suggestion of paint color is a way to scale down the painting. But then I believe I learned this from you Keith. 😎

 

John

Edited by John Ruy

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Posted
1 hour ago, John Ruy said:

Agreed, At 1/192 my Redjacket will most certainly have many things left to the viewers imagination. i.e. rigging blocks will probably be carefully tied knots in the thread. I have already learned that a suggestion of paint color is a way to scale down the painting. But then I believe I learned this from you Keith.

 Thank you, John. Regarding your Redjacket build, 2 mm deadeyes and single blocks and 3mm double blocks are available. I know they are available from Cornwall Model Boats but I would think they are also available here in the States. The below shows they would work and from experience they can be rigged but you either need great eyesight or a good magnifier. :)

 

 2mm at 1:192 = 15.12 inches. 

 

 3mm at 1:192 = 22.67 inches. 

 

 

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Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Keith Black said:

 Thank you, John. Regarding your Redjacket build, 2 mm deadeyes and single blocks and 3mm double blocks are available. I know they are available from Cornwall Model Boats but I would think they are also available here in the States. The below shows they would work and from experience they can be rigged but you either need great eyesight or a good magnifier. :)

 

 2mm at 1:192 = 15.12 inches. 

 

 3mm at 1:192 = 22.67 inches. 

 

 

Thanks Keith… I do have the deadeyes covered. Shrouds and Standing rigging are not the issue it’s the running rigging, should I choose to represent it, I was referring to.  Yes, I will need both great eyesight and a magnifier as well as steady hands. 😆

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Posted
18 minutes ago, John Ruy said:

the issue it’s the running rigging, should I choose to represent it, I was referring to.  Yes, I will need both great eyesight and a magnifier as well as steady hands.

Ah, got it. Have you managed to acquire all the line you'll need? Cotton, poly? Lacing 2mm deadeyes and tying to shrouds is a challenge everyone should accept at least one in their life. :)

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                      1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

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Posted
28 minutes ago, Keith Black said:

Ah, got it. Have you managed to acquire all the line you'll need? Cotton, poly? Lacing 2mm deadeyes and tying to shrouds is a challenge everyone should accept at least one in their life. :)

Agreed… here is a look at my first attempt at the mizen mast upper shrouds. I have line from HisModel. 
 

I’m still considering a rework of these shrouds. Darn OCD… LOL 😆 

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Posted

Thanks to all for the discussions in this log - it makes for interesting reading.

 

Your pilothouse looks great, Keith!  The weathering on both the vertical siding and roof feels like just the right amount.  It has that look of honest wear and neglect without being overdone, which can be challenging at such a small scale. You have a good eye and controlled hand - well done!

 

Gary

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Posted
8 minutes ago, FriedClams said:

 

Your pilothouse looks great, Keith!  The weathering on both the vertical siding and roof feels like just the right amount.  It has that look of honest wear and neglect without being overdone, which can be challenging at such a small scale. You have a good eye and controlled hand - well done!

 Thank you, Gary.

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                            Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                            Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                      1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted (edited)

 Thank you to everyone for the comments and likes. 

 

 Between doctors, caregiving, and getting the yard and house ready for the 4th there's been little time to work on the model. 

 

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 Some good progress and some not so good progress. Say bye to the searchlight, stupid thing looks like those old loudspeakers that were carried on top of trucks in the 30's.

 

 The searchlight housing is a bell I received with the crown broken off. I tried adding a one hole stanchion top but that made it too long. i'll remove and rework, we'll see what I can come up with. 

 

 I'm happy with the hose and steam gun made from 24 gauge annealed wire. The cut off pipe that holds the steam gun handle and light board lamps are made from the same jewelry findings. The fore lamp is okay, it's one of those it is what it is items. 

 

 I am not happy with the ships bell. It was the smallest bell I could order (I ordered two) and both came with the crown opening filled. I tried to drill out the hole but couldn't as the hole is a .015 inch opening and my tiny drills were not up to the task. As a work around I made a hole in a pice of wood that the crown would fit in and glued the crown into the hole. it works but it doesn't look near as elegant as it would have had the crown had a hole. The more I look at it the more I want to rip it off as well. That's another "we'll see" item......sigh.

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I'm pleased with the "bite" out of the starboard side roof, by the size and shape, I assume was made with a miss aimed bucket loader.  

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 I think the enclosed area on the port side wall was for isolating and running a gas engine to run a electrical generator. I know that they had to have a generator because of the lights but there were also water pump/pumps and the furnace's automatic coal feeder. If there was more space and there wasn't an open flame (the furnace) I'd say they were all belt driven by a single gas engine so I'm thinking electrical motors would make more sense. If the enclosure did in fact house a gas motor they would have wanted to put that behind a closed door away from the furnace. If you look at the original photo above, in front of the cut off pipe holding the steam gun there are what appear to be old fashioned gas cans (?) and that's as far away from the furnace as you can get on this tub. 

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 Only after I'm happy with the alterations will I weather the engine room. The pilothouse is not yet glued to the engine room roof. 

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 After the engine room is finished I'll start building the hull as there are items inside the engine room that need to get made and installed. 

 

 Thank you to all for your support and for following along.

 

   Keith

Edited by Keith Black

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                            Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                            Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                      1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

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Posted

Very nice work! The "bite" torn off the roof is an especially excellent detail.

Posted
6 hours ago, JacquesCousteau said:

Very nice work! The "bite" torn off the roof is an especially excellent detail.

 Thank you, Jacques. This isn't a pretty vessel by any stretch of the imagination, this build is all about the warts.

 

5 hours ago, Jim Lad said:

Nice work, Keith. That looks very realistic

 Thank you, John. It's difficult to get good realistic results at this scale, The engine room walls are only 1.2 x 2.0 inches. Actually I goofed on both the engine   room and pilothouse sizes. As I look at the images of what I modeled the engine room should have only been 1.2 x 1.6 inches and the pilothouse .6 x .6 inches instead of .8 x .8 inches. Though the larger size does make it a bit easier to model. 

 

1 hour ago, John Ruy said:

Wow! Keith… Excellent work with great detail.

 Thank you, John. 

Current Builds: Sternwheeler from the Susquehanna River's Hard Coal Navy

                            Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                            Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                      1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted
7 hours ago, JacquesCousteau said:

Very nice work! The "bite" torn off the roof is an especially excellent detail.

I started hearing the theme from Jaws as soon as I saw that. Very cool idea to add that.

 

7 hours ago, Keith Black said:

Say bye to the searchlight, stupid thing looks like those old loudspeakers

To be honest, I thought it was a loudspeaker when I saw it and wondered why you had a tornado siren on there. It's nicely done, it's just a lot bigger than the one in the original photo. So I'd agree with you on redoing that one. Everything else looks great!

Posted
1 hour ago, Cathead said:

started hearing the theme from Jaws as soon as I saw that. Very cool idea to add that.

1 hour ago, Cathead said:

Everything else looks great!

Thank you, Eric.

 

1 hour ago, Cathead said:

I thought it was a loudspeaker when I saw it and wondered why you had a tornado siren on there

 That made me laugh. Welp, ya know them dang tornados can spring up along the Susquehanna at any given moment. :)

Current Builds: Sternwheeler from the Susquehanna River's Hard Coal Navy

                            Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                            Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                      1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted

Tornadoes in the Poconos would be a new one. 🙄 Did you look at any locomotive bells, Keith? They might have one close enough. Otherwise she's growing nicely.

Ken

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On Hold:  Heinkel USS Choctaw paper

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Posted
1 hour ago, Canute said:

Tornadoes in the Poconos would be a new one. 🙄 Did you look at any locomotive bells, Keith? They might have one close enough. Otherwise she's growing nicely.

 Thank you, Ken.

 

 I've fixed the searchlight and working on the ship's bell and that fix looks promising. More news and photos at six. :)

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                            Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                            Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                      1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted
11 hours ago, Keith Black said:

I know that they had to have a generator because of the lights but there were also water pump/pumps and the furnace's automatic coal feeder.

they had generators that ran off the steam engine as well Keith if memory serves me right all the electrical gear on a lot of the old steamers were supplied that way.

 

Keith

Posted
Just now, clearway said:

they had generators that ran off the steam engine as well Keith if memory serves me right all the electrical gear on a lot of the old steamers were supplied that way.

 I'm sure they must have? But the reason I'm going with a gas engine is because of the two man crew. If the boiler isn't working this tub would have been dead in the water. The furnace auto feeder had to work with a cold boiler as it's a beast positioned right in front of the open furnace plus they would need the lights up and working. I don't see a hand pump being an option for getting water into the boiler in the morning. All that plus the possible gas cans on the bow.   

 

 Thanks for commenting, Keith. How goes your battles? 

Current Builds: Sternwheeler from the Susquehanna River's Hard Coal Navy

                            Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                            Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                      1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted
18 minutes ago, Keith Black said:

I don't see a hand pump being an option for getting water into the boiler in the morning.

For what it's worth, if my memory and understanding are correct, there were hand pumps on even larger riverboats like Arabia for just this sort of scenario (priming boilers when the steam was down). Granted, that was in the mid-1800s, so by your era any sensible crew may have told the idea of a hand pump to take a long walk off a short barge and installed a gas pump like you're suggesting.

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