Long9Ron Posted March 20, 2013 Author #61 Posted March 20, 2013 Nice set up for bending the beams, I wonder should one overbend the beams some to account for any spring back to original shape, or will it dry enough to maintain the shape in the jig?? Will wait and see Pete Will wait and see what happens for a couple of days. I'm in no rush for the beams right now and I can always re-soak and bend them again if needed. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
russ Posted March 20, 2013 #62 Posted March 20, 2013 That is a neat jig. If you are going to bend the beams, I think that overbending them slightly is a good idea. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
Rustyj Posted March 22, 2013 #63 Posted March 22, 2013 Hi Ron, When I bent my deck beams I did over bend them by about 1/32" and they came back to the correct camber but then I only let them sit for 24hrs. Everything is looking good. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Long9Ron Posted March 24, 2013 Author #64 Posted March 24, 2013 Well the beams bent ok, let them dry for a few days. I can see a little mold spot on one of the lower beams. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
Pete38 Posted March 24, 2013 #65 Posted March 24, 2013 Great news.... Beams are looking good. Another small milestone behind Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Paddy Posted March 24, 2013 #66 Posted March 24, 2013 Ron, Thanks for showing your bending jig. Man, glad you gents are leading the way. Great work. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
Long9Ron Posted March 27, 2013 Author #67 Posted March 27, 2013 Thanks for the kind words Pete and Paddy. I believe that my build will be a build for other ship modelers to learn --- WHAT NOT TO DO ---- I have done some planking and it will be a while before I will be doing any beam work. I will be doing some treenails first among other things. But, meanwhile I have found that when I temporarily laid the beams across for the lower deck to see how everything lined up, I noticed that one corner was higher than the other three. Oops I contribute this to my making of bad frames and rushing the job. . I considered starting all over, but have decided against it due to the fact that this is my first build in 50 years and I will be able to correct this by adjusting one of the planks. Also, after I have finished the model, it will be a reminder to me of the things that can go wrong unless you take the time to think things through. Lesson # 2 Think twice before doing anything. Lesson # 3 Follow the plans closely and anticipate what is ahead. Anyway, A few pictures of what I have to this point. No pictures of the beams out of alignment because I'm in the process of correcting the mistake (or covering up my mistake). Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
russ Posted March 27, 2013 #68 Posted March 27, 2013 Mistakes are part of the process. Most often, we learn by doing. The ceiling planking looks good. Good luck fixing the deck beam alignment problem. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
Matrim Posted March 27, 2013 #69 Posted March 27, 2013 Also you will notice mistakes but is highly unlikely anyone else will. Often putting hi-resolution photos up also makes you think - urgh gap, horrible! but when you view with eyes most people see the good and fail to recognize what is often a tiny bad. It is good to even to be able to recognize these things though. Joss ...
Pete38 Posted March 27, 2013 #70 Posted March 27, 2013 (edited) Planking looks really nice. Its not a mistake it is a learning experience and teaching aid...... Edited March 27, 2013 by Pete38 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
rafine Posted March 27, 2013 #71 Posted March 27, 2013 The planking looks very good. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
rummy Posted March 27, 2013 #72 Posted March 27, 2013 Nice job Ron.You have a beautiful build going. I see my own mistakes but seldom see other peoples mistakes. Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
mtaylor Posted March 27, 2013 #73 Posted March 27, 2013 Good looking planking, Ron. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Rustyj Posted March 27, 2013 #74 Posted March 27, 2013 The planking looks good. If you hadn't fessed up I would never have known it. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Long9Ron Posted March 28, 2013 Author #75 Posted March 28, 2013 Thank you everyone for your kind words. I have learned from my mistakes and the mistakes of others. I will most likely make more along the way, but oh well, that's the learning process and that's how I will end up making a better model next time. Right? So, when I get my corrections done, I will post some more pictures. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
Long9Ron Posted March 29, 2013 Author #76 Posted March 29, 2013 Just a note: I had to re-soak my second batch of beams because when I set them up I allowed for a little over bending and when they dried they didn't dry to the proper camber of the beam. So, I'm trying it again just with the proper camber only. The first batch came out just fine. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
Long9Ron Posted March 31, 2013 Author #77 Posted March 31, 2013 Checked on the second batch of bending the beams. They turned out okay. Meanwhile, marked the treenails holes (360 holes). Drilled 180 holes by hand and installed natural colored toothpicks in most of the holes. Toothpick forest. I'm almost halfway on the treenails... Will be installing toothpicks for a while and then sanding them all down flush. Will take a while. Found out that my frames are made of Oak and the planking is Douglas Fir. The wood was from an old recliner that was taken apart. Meanwhile, my neighbor has given me some solid maple and some nice looking Yellow Cedar. He says that I can get all the wood off of him for free, he is a cabinet maker. Cool. I like saving money. harvey1847 and bbrockel 2 Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
bbrockel Posted March 31, 2013 #78 Posted March 31, 2013 I'm with you. I like to re-purpose wood. My neighbors are helping stock my wood pile. "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
rummy Posted March 31, 2013 #79 Posted March 31, 2013 Nice Ron,looks like the toothpicks are about ready harvest "eh". Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
Paddy Posted March 31, 2013 #80 Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) As Peter Goodwin might say 'look at all those Trennals'. Looking good Ron. BTW, great neighbors you have. Edited March 31, 2013 by Paddy 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
Pete38 Posted March 31, 2013 #81 Posted March 31, 2013 Your small forest is looking good, Is great to have neighbors like that. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Long9Ron Posted April 1, 2013 Author #82 Posted April 1, 2013 Thanks everyone. The neighbors are very nice. Also, gave me a table saw with a 1/2 hp motor and a 15 inch scroll saw. Now I have two scroll saws, in case one breaks down. I love it when they clean out the garage in the spring. Well back to cutting down my forest. Time to harvest. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
Boccherini Posted April 1, 2013 #83 Posted April 1, 2013 Ron, nice job with the treenails, it's certainly a bit spiky in there. Btw, the limber boards aren't treenailed, they were meant to be loose to allow easy removal for cleaning access. Regards, Grant.
Long9Ron Posted April 1, 2013 Author #84 Posted April 1, 2013 Ron, nice job with the treenails, it's certainly a bit spiky in there. Btw, the limber boards aren't treenailed, they were meant to be loose to allow easy removal for cleaning access. Regards, Grant. Grant Thanks for the comment on the limber boards. I didn't know that. I will try and repair that somehow. Also, I have about 360 treenails that I have to sand down flush. Do you know of a good procedure for doing that? Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
Rustyj Posted April 1, 2013 #85 Posted April 1, 2013 Hi Ron, Love the toothpick forest picture! I nipped the treenails as close to the planking as I could and then used some folded over150 grit sandpaper and carefully worked my way over the planks trying not to sand down the taller planks. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Boccherini Posted April 2, 2013 #86 Posted April 2, 2013 Ron, I cut mine slightly above the planking with side cut pliers, gave them a rough clean up with a small square section file (itis slightly narrower than the planks), then finished the job with narrow sanding sticks/blocks. Regards, Grant.
42rocker Posted April 2, 2013 #87 Posted April 2, 2013 Just can't help myself at times. Lawn Mower and Chain Saw!!! LOL Planning on using a sharp knife then finish off sand paper. Might use some mounted on a motor tool. Don't like the idea of using a nail clipper as some say due to crushing in of the fibers of the tree nail. But shall know more when I finally get there. Later 42rocker Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while Current Build -- Triton Cross Section
mtaylor Posted April 2, 2013 #88 Posted April 2, 2013 Ron, If you haven't put in the treenails into the limber boards, leave the holes and score a line from port to starboard to cross the middle of the hole. The limberboards were about 3 to 5 feet long with drainage holes. Any water that found it's way down there would then runoff through the holes and into the limber channel so it could be scavaged by the pumps. The boards were removable so the channels could be cleaned of debris. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Snowmans Posted April 2, 2013 #89 Posted April 2, 2013 Looking good with all the treenail in place. I used side cutters to trim close then sandpaper wrapped around a 5mm stick. Sanded one board at a time.
Long9Ron Posted April 2, 2013 Author #90 Posted April 2, 2013 Thanks everyone on how to cut and sand. I first cut the toothpicks at the base and then I started to sand the them down by using my Dremel tool but quickly stopped as it was not the thing to do. I then did as Snowmans suggested I used a small block of wood wrapped with 150 grit and sanded each board. Slower process but it worked just fine. Learn as you go.. Mark I already had the treenails installed in the limber boards, so I used Isopropyl alcohol to loosen the wood glue and then removed them. I will be making new ones soon. But. thanks for the suggestion. Question: Do you think that when I make the new limber boards that I should make them to scale as you suggest (3 to 5 feet long) or just one single piece? All the ones that I have seen are one piece. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
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