fnkershner Posted February 21, 2014 Share #61 Posted February 21, 2014 You aren't even close to the dark side. :DIf you check in with Dr. Per I think you get a clean bill of health. I suggest that the 4 yr old has an earlier bed time than you do. So you can satisfy him as well as the pull of the model. NenadM 1 Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yambo Posted February 21, 2014 Share #62 Posted February 21, 2014 It's quiet where I live and I live alone. If I'm upstairs in my 'workshop' I hear nothing but if I'm downstairs, sometimes the only noise in the evenings is the sound of my neighbour playing with his two sons. It's a beautiful noise. You can and will give your son many things, but he'll remember the time you give him more than anything. I guess he goes to bed fairly early at 4 years of age, leave the boat till he's asleep. Bindy 1 Quote If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share #63 Posted February 21, 2014 Solid advice, which I will gladly take guys. We compromised.... he and I build a square rigger out of play-dough. As I am in the process off using the scroll saw (loud) for the ribs, and being that it is stinking cold out here, the ship yard is my dining room table (wifey okay with it so long as I clean up after), which is next to the boy's room. So, I am at a little stand still. lol fnkershner and Bindy 2 Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiel Posted February 21, 2014 Share #64 Posted February 21, 2014 don't be to sad, my 8 year old son is almost completely non interested, my 6 year old daughter on the other side... already a year ago, but now she is already building herself a bit.. CAd My Fingers, garyshipwright, tarbrush and 6 others 9 Quote Finished models: Botter, President Current: Prins Willem by the book of Ketting, HMS Beagle - OcCre restauration of a Statenjacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share #65 Posted February 21, 2014 Michiel, that is an adorrible pic! I sincerely hope my boy gets into doing this. He likes "helping" me (not as much as playing though!) when I work on it but I think when he sees the "pirate" ship actually sailing and is given the opportunity to take the controlls, he'll be hooked too! Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share #66 Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Tax return's coming soon! Oh what I would give if the Admiral would let her captain have a wood lathe!! I've decided I need to get started on the masts. I'd like to play around with spinning out some cannon as well. Edited February 21, 2014 by bucknbarney Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share #67 Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) The length of the main mast is keyed to the ship's breadth. I am not sure what Chapman is saying, but In James Lees' Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War 1625-1860, he says that that the main mast length from the 1719 was 2.4 times the ship's breadth for frigates of 30 guns. The max diameter for the main mast from 1670-1773 was 15/16" per 3 ft of length. Russ Russ, Is this the measurement for the entire main mast, including the topmast and topgallant, or just the lower? I'm looking for a way to get measurements for each section of the masts so I can begin putting them together. I am also looking for ways to get measurements for the yards. Thanks in advance for any and all help from all of you on this forum. You all rock! Edited February 21, 2014 by bucknbarney Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenadM Posted February 21, 2014 Share #68 Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Oh .. Even when they grow up, they STILL want to play with you. Of course, on a different way. See my last post ... http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-m-tehnodidakta-19711983-campbell-plans/page-47#entry164775 Edited February 21, 2014 by Nenad M bucknbarney and Bindy 2 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share #69 Posted February 23, 2014 Yup! Our oldest, 17 years, rolled the jeep I gave him last year! Yay! Well, at least he was ok. The jeep did not fair so well. Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share #70 Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Holy cow! I finally did it! After tons of research on this site and others, I found a story that had documents from 18th century English builders, giving what the dimensions in feet should have been for a frigate this size! Not the same country, but same time frame and from what research I did, it seemed that mast lenghts varied depending upon the builder. It had lengths for masts, yards and the like! All I had to do was calculate the feet to centimeters (did I mention that I now LOVE the metric system?), take that number and convert it to my models scale of 1:44.68 (finally figured it out), and BOOM!!!!!, I've got the measurements I have been yearning for!!!! Woot woot! Makes me feel like marching around the house in my slippers shouting the ol' cadences we used to belt out back when I was in the Corps! Yup! I'm in a good mood now! Think I'll go have a shot o' rum to celebrate! Edited February 23, 2014 by bucknbarney Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted February 23, 2014 Share #71 Posted February 23, 2014 There's also a spreadsheet here: http://modelshipworldforum.com/ship-model-masts-and-yards.php I forgot we had it or I would have mentioned it earlier. bucknbarney 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share #72 Posted February 23, 2014 OMG! This stuff is amazing! it is exactly what I was needing! Thanks you! Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpeteru Posted February 23, 2014 Share #73 Posted February 23, 2014 Hi mate the images that I have are those on the google site if you type in "chapman frigate" and then select images, bucknbarney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share #74 Posted February 24, 2014 Yeah, I have TONS of great pics from that search. Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Posted February 24, 2014 Share #75 Posted February 24, 2014 Congrats on your find!! It sure is amazing how "real" it all becomes once you find the history or plans or photos! Congrats again!! Quote Completed Build: Bregante Il Leudo Merchant Launch - Mamoli - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpeteru Posted February 24, 2014 Share #76 Posted February 24, 2014 What I will probably wind up doing is have the bottom that is from the lower gun deck down solid, ie put in filler pieces between the frames and file/sand to shape before planking. Thats the plan of attack at this stage. Currently it is very hard to get acceptable ply at either 3 or 4.5mm thats from my local hardware vendor. Methinks will have to go further afield. bucknbarney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share #77 Posted February 25, 2014 Have you started a build log yet rpeteru? I would like very much to follow along. While there were many ships built that were designed by Chapman, due to these plans being generic, they are vague i.e. no ship name. Because of this, there's no real way to tell if this particular ship was ever even built. Although this gives us a great deal of artistic expression, it also doesn't give the ability to dive into the details of one certain ship. As I am also in the beginning steps of my build, I'm not too much further ahead of you, rpeteru. It might help both of us to give and take ideas while doing these builds! Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpeteru Posted February 25, 2014 Share #78 Posted February 25, 2014 Sounds like a plan man. it looks like the only detail we have to go on is the scale given that the recommended plywood thickness is 3/16" which works out to 1:75 or impirial 1:72. Assuming a keel width of 12". In this instance we are really working ar**e about face. Usually a set of drawings is made from which all things are measurable. In our case we have the finish shape size allready presented. But as you said this one is has not been defined which gives us a whole heap of latitude. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share #79 Posted February 25, 2014 Thankfully, MTaylor gave is a link to use for dimension of everything above the decking. That was one of my major concerns. I missed the recomendation for ply thickness. Of course, that wouldn't have worked for me anyhow as I had the plans blown up to fit my desires for the build, which were large. I do wish I'd use a larger ply than 1/4", but it is cheap (free!) for me so that's what I'm using. NenadM 1 Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpeteru Posted February 28, 2014 Share #80 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Haven't started a build log yet. Today was mainly measuring main deck size, before transfer to ply wood ready for cut out. Have glued on some of the paper templates prior to cut out and shaping. Just itching to use my new scroll saw. Almost ready to make saw-dust. Edited February 28, 2014 by rpeteru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpeteru Posted March 3, 2014 Share #81 Posted March 3, 2014 What do you intend to do re this build or in other words how far will you go ie: fully planked? mast stepped? full or partially rigged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted March 3, 2014 Author Share #82 Posted March 3, 2014 I plan on going just as far as my imagination (and pocket book) will let me go. As it will be an rc ship, it will be fully planked. I will also be scratch building my masts. Each section up to the topgallant will likely be carved out of soft maple (free from the shop). I plan on having a main, top and topgallant for sails on the main and fore mast, and at top (think that's what it's called) and spanker on the mizzen. I do not plan on just turning the masts to rotate her sails. I am planning on fabbing up yard jacks for each. I do think that for this build, I will be using the bare minimum needed for the rigging. I will attempt to keep it close, but I'm thinking I may have to change a few things around to accommodate the sail winch servos. Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpeteru Posted March 3, 2014 Share #83 Posted March 3, 2014 There have been a few articles done in the English "Model Boat" or Marine modeling international magazine, (one of those two) on doing a radio control setup for a square rigger. Might pay to check it out. bucknbarney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 4, 2014 Share #84 Posted March 4, 2014 Do a search for JerryTodd's builds. He does large scale RC frigates and his homepage in his sig as well as his build logs have a lot of good info. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryTodd Posted March 4, 2014 Share #85 Posted March 4, 2014 He found me and the links are in my signature. mtaylor 1 Quote Jerry Todd Click to go to that build log Constellation ~ RC sloop of war c.1856 in 1:36 scale Macedonian ~ RC British frigate c.1812 in 1:36 scale Pride of Baltimore ~ RC Baltimore Clipper c.1981 in 1:20 scale Gazela Primeiro ~ RC Barkentine c.1979 in 1:36 scale Naval Guns 1850s~1870s ~ 3D Modeling & Printing My Web Site My Thingiverse stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share #86 Posted March 5, 2014 Had a great lesson in patience recently. I was just sick and tired of that darned warped keel! I've tried steaming it, just getting the glue in the ply to soften so I could staraighten it without causing it to delaminate. Nope! Day after day, steaming it, straightening it, and setting it flat with weights on it to while it dried for 24 hours. It always seemed to work, then after a few hours without the weights.... The darned thing would warp again!!! Aahhhhh!!!! Frustration began to boil up... I though, "you work with this stuff for a living Jerrod! "Why can't you tame this darned ply?!?!?". Well, finally I was finished with it! No more steaming the ply... Now I was steaming!!!!! So, needless to say, my better judgement was out the window. I placed that keel on my knee and started to see if it would JUST STINKING BEND STRAIGHT ALREADY!!!! Nope! Just as I started getting it to a bend..... SNNNAP!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!! Well, I've just had it with that darned keel. It has won. So, on the plus side, I get to start over now! There's a nice peice of soft 1"x11"x5' soft maple at the shop, just sitting there begging for me to work it. I'm thinking about plaining it down to 3/8" and cutting a new keel. It will be stronger, thicker, and have a heck of a lot more beautiful than 1/4" ply. Not to meantion, I can re-think the plan I was originally working for the keel. So, lesson learned (I think) about having patience. I know, I was told in a previous post by someone with A LOT MORE experience than me that "as long a that keel isn't u-shaped, I might just use that keel". Another lesson for this young grasshopper... Listen!!!! I've had that problem in the past too though. Probably why I ended up doing so many pushups in the Corps! Lol NenadM and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenadM Posted March 6, 2014 Share #87 Posted March 6, 2014 Just take it easy Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnkershner Posted March 6, 2014 Share #88 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) LOL I am in tears with laughter! boy have I been there. You know there are times when you know you should just get up and walk away before you make it worse. Edited March 6, 2014 by Floyd Kershner bucknbarney 1 Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknbarney Posted March 6, 2014 Author Share #89 Posted March 6, 2014 Thanks Nendad. I will now... That I have already done the damage! Lol Floyd, another lesson I need to learn! I didn't just walk away! To be honest, that darned keel has been on my mind in both my waking hours, and at night. I have LITTERALLY dreampt about it! It was bothering me that much! Oh well, now I can obsess about something else... Like a new keel! Bindy 1 Quote Current Build: Chapman Frigate - Radio - Scratch Build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Posted March 6, 2014 Share #90 Posted March 6, 2014 Nooooooo Well on a plus side I guess you get a 1. a shiny new keel; 2. knowledge that the new keel will be perfect and you can be happy and proud of for years to come; and 3. The "Incredible Hulk" award for "strongest" keel straightener of 2014! bucknbarney, captainbob and NenadM 3 Quote Completed Build: Bregante Il Leudo Merchant Launch - Mamoli - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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