pete48 Posted August 19, 2014 Author #91 Posted August 19, 2014 Another very productive day with the boat , ( mostly spent sanding ) Once the hull was Faired and the Deck sanded , I apllied 2 coats of primer to both the Hull and Deck. I then shot 1 coat of semi-gloss White on the deck and cockpit ( allowing overspray on to the Hull ) Here are the results Jay 1, popeye the sailor, Nirvana and 6 others 9 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
Jay 1 Posted August 19, 2014 #92 Posted August 19, 2014 Excellent, Pete! That's an outstanding spray job--well done, sir! Cheers, Jay pete48 1 Quote Current Build: Ariel
rottger Posted August 19, 2014 #93 Posted August 19, 2014 Harvey, The roller used for the jib is a differend one as used for a genaker. You would nead a very big drum to hold the amound of line needed for a gennaker, a furler with a endless line is used. Unless something goes wrong, you would never take down a sail before the next sail is up, it would cost to much speed! Pete, your Volvo looks great! Hans pete48 1 Quote
michael mott Posted August 19, 2014 #94 Posted August 19, 2014 Pete does the keel swig sideways and how does that work? Michael pete48 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
capnharv2 Posted August 19, 2014 #95 Posted August 19, 2014 Hans, Aren't there 2 headsail furlers on some boats to do just that (raise one, then drop the other)? Thanks, Harvey pete48 1 Quote
michael mott Posted August 19, 2014 #96 Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) The roller used for the jib is a differend one as used for a genaker. You would nead a very big drum to hold the amound of line needed for a gennaker, a furler with a endless line is used. Hans I have to disagree with you on this one, look at the link to the PDF that explains how the furler works for the Genaker, it is not an endless line. To be clear I am talking about the model and not a full size boat. I have no knowledge of full size furlers. Michael Edited August 19, 2014 by michael mott pete48 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
michael mott Posted August 19, 2014 #97 Posted August 19, 2014 I apllied 2 coats of primer to both the Hull and Deck. I then shot 1 coat of semi-gloss White on the deck and cockpit Oh that does look good Pete. Michael pete48 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
capnharv2 Posted August 19, 2014 #98 Posted August 19, 2014 Michael, "To be clear I am talking about the model and not a full size boat. I have no knowledge of full size furlers." Thanks so much for the clarification. Often, discussions like this cross over from model to real thing and back. And I, for one, become easily confused which one we're talking about. Harvey pete48 1 Quote
michael mott Posted August 19, 2014 #99 Posted August 19, 2014 Harvey these boats are really exciting machines they are definitely pushing the envelope. The interesting thing about hull design is that it seem to me that big changes occur because a designer does a what if, and suddenly the old rules dissolve, and the imposable becomes the new norm. the plan veiw of the drawing that Pete posted is a rectangle with one end drawn down to a rounded point, I did this by a simple tracing over the drawing and it is 1.5m long full size, yes I'm tempted to draw more 59 inch model plan.pdf Didn't mean to hijack your thread Pete sorry. Michael pete48 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
rottger Posted August 19, 2014 #100 Posted August 19, 2014 Michael, I don't think that we disagree, I was talking about the full size practice! A new form is making an interesting and successful comeback: The whole rectangle with only the frond edges a little bit rounded. Like a barge or a tjalk. Most class rules does not allow this shape but in the mini 650 it is allowed and nearly unbeatable. These yachts are not pleasing to the eye, but Righting Moment to the max makes them fast. Look for pictures of Magnum 747. Harvey, solo / shorthanded ocean racers have all jibs on a separate foiler hosted ready to use. The sails are so big that changing them would take to much time and energy from the sailor. Hans pete48 1 Quote
michael mott Posted August 19, 2014 #101 Posted August 19, 2014 Hans thanks for your clarification and the info . Michael pete48 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
pete48 Posted August 19, 2014 Author #102 Posted August 19, 2014 I would first off like to thank everyone for the Likes and Comments, I am greatful for all the input and information the video's are Amazing . I am thoroughly enjoying this Build. It is alot of fun , and I am learning alot about theses State of the Art Racing Machines Thanks Jay, I am hoping to get the Blue on the Hull today Thanks Hans, What do you think of the Bruce Farr VO 65 ? Hi Michael, the Keel cants from Starboard to Port, the Keel acts like a pendulum and is rased toward the windward wide of the Boat with the Dagger Board dropped on the Lee Side ( I hope that explains it ) The Boat Is starting to come together Thanks Harvey , for the intresting Conversation, on the Roller furling system ( for the model ) Best Regards, Pete Elmer Cornish, Aussie048, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
rottger Posted August 19, 2014 #103 Posted August 19, 2014 Pete, The OD VO 65 is a very nice boat and probably a little bit less on the edge as the VO70 Box Rule boats. It is a move to an OD boat trying to get more teams involved. It is now easier to step in late and there no risk that your design is of the pace, so less risk for the corporate sponsors. I loved however the design contest that was always an important part of the Race and that is now gone. You get a VO 65 OD and thats it. Bruce Farr's track record in the last races was not very impressive and so it is a big surprise that his team was asked to design the OD boat. But a cool boat it is! The high-end racers like the IMOCA en VO boats are getting so fast that the yachts are the limiting factor, you can't go full throttle all the way. You have to know when you can go full power and when you have to nurse your ship. Compare it with car races: If you think you can keep your foot down all the way you will learn an important lesson in the first corner. This was not so obvious too all VO competitors, see the massive amount of structural failures in the last races. If there is a weak link in this VO 65 the sailors will find it and then you have 8 boats (7 competitors and 1 spare) with a problem in stead of 1. Hans pete48 and flying_dutchman2 2 Quote
pete48 Posted August 20, 2014 Author #104 Posted August 20, 2014 Thanks Hans , I appreciate all your input it has been very informative and has given me greater insight to these amazing Sailboat's. Best Regards, Pete Elmer Cornish, flying_dutchman2, Piet and 1 other 4 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
pete48 Posted August 20, 2014 Author #105 Posted August 20, 2014 Today, was another day of alot of Sanding and Fairing. I then masked off an shot 3 coats of Blue, before the power went out ,( we had a thunder storm this afternoon ) next I will sand the hull to 800 grit wet sandpaper and shoot 2 more coats of Blue. Before I do that I will Install all the thru Deck Fittings , and finish Painting the Deck , I also sprayed 2 coats of flat Black on the Comunications Tower and Fising weight ( I dont know why ) Here are the results after another great day with the Boat captainbob, capnharv2, rottger and 12 others 15 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
michael mott Posted August 20, 2014 #106 Posted August 20, 2014 I like the colour scheme Pete, you certainly are moving along. Michael pete48 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 20, 2014 #107 Posted August 20, 2014 The built looks great, lots of steps that I will remember when I built this boat. When I look at the hull, it looks like half a boat because the stern is so wide. I expect it to tapper. What are you going to do about sails? Create your own or is there a manufacturer that makes custom sails for this type of model. In between working on the Statenjacht Utrecht, I am also working on a Soling 1m. Because this boat is one of the most popular RC sail model there is company that will create any sails you design. After doing some advanced searches on Google I found 4 large plans as PDF's (ABN 1 & 2, Illbruck and Ericsson). In due time I will built one of the ABN boats. Marc pete48 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
pete48 Posted August 20, 2014 Author #108 Posted August 20, 2014 Thanks Geoff, I wanted to see some clor on her as well , I like the blue Thanks Michael, it's been alot of sanding the past few days , I will get the thru deck fittings installed and spray the final coat of white on the deck Thanks Marc, I will be making my own sails , The Soling is an amazing boat ( I have been fortunate enough to sail one, full size ) and I have looked into the RC version . The next Volvo boat I do will be the new Farr VO65 for this years event Best Regards, Pete Elmer Cornish, Piet and rottger 3 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
kees de mol Posted August 20, 2014 #109 Posted August 20, 2014 This boat maybe fast but you are faster. I am looking forward to the rigging and stuff. Regards, Kees pete48 1 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog:
Piet Posted August 21, 2014 #110 Posted August 21, 2014 Just a beautiful piece of work Pete, you really put your heart and soul into it. Superb! I love all the pics of these boats sailing you are adding. Cheers, pete48 1 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)
pete48 Posted August 21, 2014 Author #111 Posted August 21, 2014 Thank you Kees, I made the Boom for the boat today ( So the masting has started, I had already made the Mast , I still have to add the Spraeders) after adding the thru Deck Fittings for the Stays, and the Toe Rail , I painted the Deck. Thanks Piet, I am really into these Boats, they are just Amazing. I am having a great time building this one . I re- Faired the Hull this morning and decided to take away some of the Blue on the Deck . Best Regards, Pete Here are the results Aussie048, popeye the sailor, MEDDO and 6 others 9 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
Littlebob Posted August 21, 2014 #112 Posted August 21, 2014 Well done Pete, that boat looks fast standing still. pete48 1 Quote
pete48 Posted August 21, 2014 Author #113 Posted August 21, 2014 Thank you Robert, These are some pretty amazing Boats Best Regards, Pete flying_dutchman2, Elmer Cornish and Piet 3 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
pete48 Posted August 22, 2014 Author #114 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Today was another very productive day with the Boat ( I am enjoying building this one ) I started by making the spreaders for the mast, I then layed out and installed the eyelets for the stays, I then installed the spreaders , and painted 2 coats of flat black ( I am thinking maybe one more coat) I also painted 2 coats on the Boom, Then I Masked off and shot the final 2 coats of blue on the Hull, ( I am pleased with how it turned out ) When you look at the pics you will see that the bow section has been masked off as well . ( as that Bow section will be Yellow ) Here are the results Edited August 22, 2014 by Pete48 Piet, yvesvidal, Aussie048 and 7 others 10 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
Omega1234 Posted August 22, 2014 #115 Posted August 22, 2014 Hi Pete! Pretty darn impressive. Well done and looking great. pete48 1 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora
pete48 Posted August 22, 2014 Author #116 Posted August 22, 2014 Hi Geoff, It is the same color Blue, I took the pic's outside by the shed where I painted her, and the way the light hit it, makes the color look lighter Thanks Omega, I am pleased with the Blue paint n the Hull . Best Regards, Pete Elmer Cornish 1 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
pete48 Posted August 22, 2014 Author #117 Posted August 22, 2014 This morning , after I had my manditory Coffe, I unmasked the Boat finished making the Boom Vang, and put the mast in the Mast Slot ( to see where I am at ) I am very Happy with how the Boat is turning out , I am going to Paint the Cabin Grey , with Red highlights and the Yellow on the bow section. Here is what she Looks like,The Mast and Communications Tower have not been attached to the boat , are in position for the pic's captainbob, RichardG, Aussie048 and 7 others 10 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
michael mott Posted August 22, 2014 #118 Posted August 22, 2014 Verry niiize! Michael pete48 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Nirvana Posted August 22, 2014 #119 Posted August 22, 2014 Pete, Very impressive! Both the build log and pictures from the races. pete48 1 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry
kees de mol Posted August 22, 2014 #120 Posted August 22, 2014 Man you build fast!! How dit you shape the mast and can you make a detail pic of the mast? Regards, Kees pete48 1 Quote Current build: Dutch beamtrawler KW88, Pelikaan 1/75 Completed build: Dutch sidetrawler KW49, Antje 1/75 Completed build: Scottisch 10m trawler 1/25 Want to see some real Kitsch... With a capital K?!! Visit my 'museum' here at MSW My blog:
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