altalena18 Posted September 26, 2014 Author #61 Posted September 26, 2014 So I need some advice- the daggerboard has both a sort of ring with tongues to tie the rigging that lifts it up, and a ratchet to hold it in place. Does anyone have any idea how I can craft that ratchet? Any common parts or something, or any other method? I guess I could try to carve it out of brass stock with my Dremel but I'm nervous that it'd be difficult and messy and not look neat. Mirabell61 and Mfelinger 2 Quote
altalena18 Posted September 26, 2014 Author #62 Posted September 26, 2014 Sorry, posted in the wrong order... Quote
Jasco Posted September 26, 2014 #63 Posted September 26, 2014 I didn't put that detail on my model, so I don't have a tried and true method, but it looks like some time with a square file and a piece of brass should do the trick. Quote
altalena18 Posted September 26, 2014 Author #64 Posted September 26, 2014 Oh well, I was hoping to avoid that, but it looks like i'll have to nip down to the jewellery supply store and see what sorts of brass stock they have... Quote
hexnut Posted September 26, 2014 #65 Posted September 26, 2014 It might be easier to fabricate it by soldering small square stock to sheet, using the edge of a steel square for rib spacing, make it wider than you need and cut it to width. Also, if you want much easier fabrication and a material that will still look good once painted, you can glue together small styrene strips, just like the brass above. I don't know if you have a local source for "evergreen" or an equivalent company that makes small styrene stock for architectural models and model railroads, but it would be an easy alternative, or maybe even a way to make a quick experimental prototype or two before making the brass part... captainbob and Omega1234 2 Quote Regards, Bob Marvin Muscongus bay Lobster Smack -Midwest- 1:24- (1st wooden build) Gertrude L. Thebaud Mini-Mamoli 1/200 kitbash
altalena18 Posted September 26, 2014 Author #66 Posted September 26, 2014 I thought of using plastic or evergreen (i bought a whole bunch a while back and still have some) but I was trying to think of a way to make it out of brass. I guess it'll have to be the old files and brass. Quote
Omega1234 Posted September 26, 2014 #67 Posted September 26, 2014 Hi Altalena. Your model looks great so far and I'm enjoying following along. The brass may be a bit more effort, but it'll be more satisfying once the finished product is done. Hapy building and all the best. captainbob 1 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora
michael mott Posted September 29, 2014 #68 Posted September 29, 2014 Looking at the thickness and size of the centre board, I would think that filing up a piece of brass wold be the best. perhaps a small piece of brass railroad rail, some of the older H0 track was brass before nickel rail became standard. Michael piperjoe 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Jasco Posted September 29, 2014 #69 Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) Although evergreen styrene strip would very likely be the easiest method and probably indistinguishable from brass or wood, I shy away from plastic on these wooden boat builds. I'd go with brass. Don't get me wrong- I build plenty of plastic and cardstock models and think they are fantastic, Maybe I'm being puritanical or snobbish but a wooden boat needs to be a wooden boat! Unless you want it to be mixed media. How's that for a definite maybe? Edited September 29, 2014 by Jasco captainbob and Omega1234 2 Quote
altalena18 Posted September 29, 2014 Author #70 Posted September 29, 2014 I agree- and that was the point of teaching myself scratchbuilding using a small boat- just enough detail to get enough new skills and experience, but without having to turn 36 guns and rig 25 sails or whatever. So it's off to buy some brass stock! johncole and Mirabell61 2 Quote
altalena18 Posted September 29, 2014 Author #71 Posted September 29, 2014 Well, grinding the part out of brass stock it is! I couldn't find any brass strips at the jewellery store, but they had some thick wire. I had someone there put it through a vise to get it a bit flattened. Once I got home, I tried carving the notches. I kept not really succeeding until I built this jig- which I'm quite proud of! Now the part is almost done... egkb, johncole, Omega1234 and 1 other 4 Quote
Jasco Posted September 30, 2014 #72 Posted September 30, 2014 Nice work! As far as I'm concerned, solving these problems is what makes modelling so much fun! Quote
altalena18 Posted September 30, 2014 Author #73 Posted September 30, 2014 I gotta say, I'm shamelessly proud of this little jig here. Pictures of progress on that ratchet to follow Quote
altalena18 Posted October 2, 2014 Author #74 Posted October 2, 2014 I completed the ratchet, and here it is. I also put in the eyelet which holds the rope which hoists up the daggerboard. egkb, mtaylor, michael mott and 4 others 7 Quote
Jasco Posted October 2, 2014 #75 Posted October 2, 2014 Beautiful! The daggerboard itself looks like a work of art and the metalwork is superb. Quote
captainbob Posted October 2, 2014 #77 Posted October 2, 2014 Fine brass work. She's looking good. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
altalena18 Posted October 12, 2014 Author #78 Posted October 12, 2014 It's been a while since I've updated. Now I've turned to working on the interior of the cockpit- I've done some ceiling planking, installed the plywood floor, and installed the daggerboard. I had to rip off the last 2 bulkheads to get at this area, so it'll require some tricky rebuilding! Mirabell61, hexnut, mikegerber and 6 others 9 Quote
Mirabell61 Posted October 12, 2014 #79 Posted October 12, 2014 Hi Atalena, nice work under way.... why so many Frames, are you going to leave a certain Portion unplanked ? Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
altalena18 Posted October 12, 2014 Author #80 Posted October 12, 2014 Well, they're more bulkheads than frames, so I don't really intend to leave it unplanked. I put in lots of bulkheads in order to get a stronger, easier to fair hull. Quote
altalena18 Posted February 19, 2015 Author #81 Posted February 19, 2015 Hi everyone, I know it's been a while, but work got in the way. I also couldn't progress with the rest of the build before making the hinged tongue that holds up the daggerboard. After a lot of trial and error, drilling, filing and soldering, i managed to put it together. hexnut, mikegerber, egkb and 3 others 6 Quote
altalena18 Posted February 19, 2015 Author #82 Posted February 19, 2015 The next step was all the ceiling planking in the cockpit. I planked the floor, then I had to make a curved framework to hold the sides. ccoyle, mikegerber, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote
egkb Posted February 19, 2015 #83 Posted February 19, 2015 Good to see you back at the Sandbagger Altalena. Eamonn Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄
altalena18 Posted February 19, 2015 Author #84 Posted February 19, 2015 It sure feels good to be back at the shipyard! Quote
Omega1234 Posted February 19, 2015 #85 Posted February 19, 2015 Hi Altalena It's great to see you back in the shipyard, as well. Your ships' looking just brilliant now, which is a testament to your skills and workmanship. I definitely look forward to following your progress. All the best Patrick Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora
Jasco Posted February 19, 2015 #86 Posted February 19, 2015 Beautiful work. I love all the detail, which I guess is why I love models in general. The closer you look, the more you see. Quote
michael mott Posted February 19, 2015 #87 Posted February 19, 2015 Hi Altalena it is great to see more progress on your model. the sides of the centerboard trunk are an interesting design, is this decoration or is there some other reason? Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
altalena18 Posted February 19, 2015 Author #88 Posted February 19, 2015 It's a decoration, and can be seen on the original Annie's trunk as well. I have to say that your metalwork was in my mind when i was trying my hand at some for the first time, Michael! That little marine engine is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. Also, is the pilot cutter officially finished or are you taking a break from it? IgorSky, egkb, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote
michael mott Posted February 19, 2015 #89 Posted February 19, 2015 Also, is the pilot cutter officially finished or are you taking a break from it? Thank you Altalena, for you compliments , I am taking a short break from the pilot cutter. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
altalena18 Posted June 30, 2015 Author #90 Posted June 30, 2015 I know it's been a while since i've posted, but it doesn't mean I haven't been busy! I've recorded most of the steps I've taken. These photos show the process of planking the hull. Right now I've painted and coppered the hull, and now i'm preparing a lot of the detailing of the masts and spars and outrigger, mikegerber, yvesvidal, captainbob and 5 others 8 Quote
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