kscadman Posted July 3, 2017 Author #181 Posted July 3, 2017 Feeling good this weekend! Finally finished my yawl for the aft davits. Its not exact to a true yawl but I like the outcome. I'll need to learn more before I make another. On to the long boat. Jack12477, Chuck, Ryland Craze and 10 others 13 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
kscadman Posted November 7, 2017 Author #182 Posted November 7, 2017 Progress on my long boat continues. I finally have the hull sanded down to the proper thickness and started adding the ribs. Cathead, JesseLee and Gahm 3 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
fnkershner Posted November 7, 2017 #183 Posted November 7, 2017 Please tell us more about your process. How did you get her sanded down so nicely? Also what stain did you use? Are you soaking those ribs? Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
kscadman Posted November 8, 2017 Author #184 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Sorry fnkershner, I guess I should of added that. My bad To be honest I tippy-toed my way thru this. Once I got my lifts glued together I used 120 grit sandpaper to slowly sand the outer hull. Once it looked close to the drawings and pictures then I switched to 150 grit and checked my progress using a pair if calipers. I didnt use a big piece of sandpaper, I folded the sandpaper about 3 times so it was about 1 inch by half inch so I had more control over it. I used the 6 lines under the plan drawing as section cuts and thats where I took my measurements at. Once the outer hull was close, I Did the same on the inner hull (which was a pain). I'm still not pleased with it. The stern was the hardest part. It was hard to get that crisp angle between the transom and the "side planking". And again I used the calipers to get it down to 1/32. Next time I do a boat using the lift method I'm going to sand the "laser cut" burn marks off. I assumed they would disappear as I sanded, but it didnt. As far as the staining is concerned I've been using minwax products. Just the natural stain and the golden oak. but I make sure to use the pre-stain which I leave on for about 10 minutes before staining. Then I apply the stain (just a single swipe each way) and wipe it off after about a minute or so. Yes, I did soak the ribs before fitting. I used some old kappler lumber I've had from my model railroad days. The 1/32 x 1/32 strips that came with the kit were terrible. I spent alot of time trying to sand it properly, but after a while I just gave up and I found out that a HO scale 2 x 2 is almost the same as 1/32 x 1/32. I hope this helps. Richard Edited November 8, 2017 by kscadman jablackwell, JesseLee, fnkershner and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Gahm Posted November 8, 2017 #185 Posted November 8, 2017 Your long boat is looking VERY good! Nice, precise work! Thomas fnkershner 1 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
kscadman Posted November 8, 2017 Author #186 Posted November 8, 2017 Thank you Thomas. Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
fnkershner Posted November 8, 2017 #187 Posted November 8, 2017 Thanks for the details. I struggled with this. I had decided this would be a nice project to work on while I waited for soaking or paint drying on my Syren. I must confess I got so frustrated I gave up. You have given me hope. Thank you! Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
kscadman Posted November 8, 2017 Author #188 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) I hear your frustration! Its taken way too long for me to get where I'm at. Do you have a build log for your Syren? Edited November 8, 2017 by kscadman Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
fnkershner Posted November 9, 2017 #189 Posted November 9, 2017 I do have a log. I am not nearly as far along as you are. I will use your log to help me. Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
kscadman Posted November 13, 2017 Author #190 Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) I finally found some time for modelling. I managed to finish installing all the ribs and added some floor boards. I used some scrap .028 wire that came with the kit to use as spacers between the floorboards. I just bent them until they friction fitted over the installed floorboard. It proved to work well. Also I made the tie down hooks and the hooks that will go on the davit blocks for my jolly boat. Richard Edited November 13, 2017 by kscadman Ryland Craze, jablackwell, Tigersteve and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Gahm Posted November 13, 2017 #191 Posted November 13, 2017 Beautiful job, Richard! Thomas Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
kscadman Posted November 19, 2017 Author #193 Posted November 19, 2017 Its been a good weekend for working in the shipyard. I completed the floorboards, grates, and thwart supports. I needed to enlarge the plans so I could locate the thwarts properly so I made a PDF of part of the sheet and enlarged it to 118% which passed the "measurement" test. zappto, Tigersteve, Jim Rogers and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
kscadman Posted November 19, 2017 Author #194 Posted November 19, 2017 I continued with the gripes for the stern jolly boat. I found some leather strapping at the local arts and crafts store. Its scale size is 6" width X 3" thickness. I discovered that I could use a straight edge razor and scrape the underside of the leather strap to thin it to a scale 1" thickness. I've been finding many ways to secure the gripes, but nothing definitive, so I may have to go with my best theory as to how it is secured. I have a question as to how to secure the davit block ropes. I've seen some where it is secured to an eyebolt on the outer side of the davit and I've seen some where the rope goes thru the davit. Any help as to which is correct? Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
kscadman Posted November 24, 2017 Author #195 Posted November 24, 2017 Happy Thanksgiving to all that celebrate it. After much turkey eating I was able to get some work done on my long boat. I completed the thwarts and added a mast step. When making the windlass I had a bit of a time figuring out how to get the the cuts correct. So I decided to make a jig. I took some 3/32 brass tube and filled down one side about 1/64 which made a nice flat spot in order to glue it onto piece of wood. On the ends I used a straight razor and just glided it along the brass tubing once I made my stop cuts. It gave me nice level smooth finish. The middle section was tricky. I used a #11 blade and repeated the process but I found that it would try to cut deeper into the wood. But after 2 more attempts I managed to get a fairly good result. I used a flat diamond file to finish the diagonal cuts. Now I need to make the cap rail. The one that came with the kit was a little too short lengthwise. Ryland Craze, JesseLee, Gahm and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Gahm Posted November 27, 2017 #196 Posted November 27, 2017 This looks VERY good! Thomas Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
kscadman Posted November 28, 2017 Author #197 Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Thanks Thomas. Does anyone have information about how the sprit step should look like? The plans and instructions are a bit vague. Edited November 28, 2017 by kscadman Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Overworked724 Posted January 17, 2018 #198 Posted January 17, 2018 Fantastic boat....nicely done and the pics are an excellent tutorial! Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
kscadman Posted February 4, 2018 Author #199 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) Wow, finally! The momentous occasion has arrived for me. I've finished my long boat and now I can install them and begin the masting and rigging. I have to admit making the knees was quite the adventure. I went thru several trials before I found a way to make them. I ended up taking a piece of 3/32 x 3/32 strip wood and filed the rounded edges then I used a straight razor and cut them to size. I have my jolly boat hung from the davits so now I need to make the gripes and the fender! I have a question for the group. What seizing was used for the long boat and were the rudder and oars seized to the long boat?? Thank you all for your kind comments and likes! Patrick, thank you for your comment, as a newbie to the craft it is highly appreciated! Edited February 4, 2018 by kscadman JesseLee, Dubz, glennreader and 11 others 14 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
JesseLee Posted February 4, 2018 #200 Posted February 4, 2018 Looks great! I was looking at the davits on mine yesterday and thought it looked empty without any kind of lifeboat hanging. You just might have inspired me to make one for mine too. I don't know the proper way to rig/hang/ block it. Need to do some research. Jesse Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
kscadman Posted February 5, 2018 Author #201 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) Thanks Jesse I've been doing a lot of research, I've also made a post on the subject titled "Puddened gripes". Also in the book "Historic Ship Models" it shows some examples of hanging the boat from the stern davits. It looks like I'll have to close the aft gunport lids to make it work properly. What I haven't been able to find out is how to secure the gripes. By the way, what seizing did you use to secure your long boat? Richard Edited February 5, 2018 by kscadman Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Gahm Posted February 5, 2018 #202 Posted February 5, 2018 Your long boat is a real beauty! Excellent job! Thomas kscadman 1 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
kscadman Posted February 11, 2018 Author #203 Posted February 11, 2018 I was able to get the chocks made and installed and I finally got my long boat installed. Now I just need to tie down the sweeps and the long boat. I'm working on the gripes for the jolly boat. I've been testing to see if I can trim down the leather to scale thickness. I started by using a straight razor but I switched over to a file which seems to be working well. Thank you Thomas for your compliment. Richard Cathead, JesseLee, Peter Bloemendaal and 11 others 14 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
JesseLee Posted February 12, 2018 #204 Posted February 12, 2018 Hey Richard, I didn't know what to do there. The instructions didn't say. The pictures just showed basic seizing, just wrapping around for a short ways up so thats all I did. I wondered that myself when I got to it but could not find any info on it. I guess I should have asked. I'll have to look that book up, it's one I don't have. Good to find someone else building the Syren to ask questions and bounce ideas off of. Jesse Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle
kscadman Posted February 12, 2018 Author #205 Posted February 12, 2018 Hi Jesse, I know what you mean. I haven't found a drawing that shows how its secured to the hull or deck. I was working with it yesterday and the davits may be too long to use the gripes. Yes, you're right. I'm always looking for advice. You're farther along than me so I'll probably have some questions. Richard JesseLee 1 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
kscadman Posted February 15, 2018 Author #206 Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) I've made the gripes and installed the eyebolts to the transom. Attached are the pictures of my test "fit" of the gripes. Please give me some feed back. I'm entering unknown seas and I'd like to have some navigation from a more experienced skipper. I haven't made the fender yet and I'm curious to know if the boat resting on the port lid would be proper. Richard Edited February 15, 2018 by kscadman yvesvidal, Tigersteve, fnkershner and 10 others 13 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Gahm Posted February 15, 2018 #207 Posted February 15, 2018 That looks REALLY nice, Richard! It gives those davits a purpose. Do you leave the rear gun ports open? Thomas John Allen 1 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
kscadman Posted February 15, 2018 Author #208 Posted February 15, 2018 Hi Thomas, currently the port lids are open for the "test fit". I may end up closing them once I have the fender made. Richard Gahm 1 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
el cid Posted February 16, 2018 #209 Posted February 16, 2018 Looks really good. Seems the gun ports would be closed when carrying a boat at the stern. Cheers, Keith Quote
kscadman Posted February 19, 2018 Author #210 Posted February 19, 2018 I agree Keith, I plan to close them Richard Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
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