Overworked724 Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share #181 Posted December 29, 2017 Yes...the knight heads seem high. I may need to trim them a bit more but will wait until I have a better sense once the bow sprit is seated. Sigh...always something. 🙄 Elijah, lmagna and thibaultron 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share #182 Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) Ok. A bit of progress mixed with procrastination. Painted the knight heads with decent result. Decided to put together my channels before putting them on the ship. (May sound odd but I have my reasons. We shall see) Also tried a couple of different size square dowels (basswood) to see a sense of scale for the swivel cannon stocks. Will go with the smaller stock. But the metal fixtures are crap. Model Shipways should be ashamed. However, I think that putting on the stocks/cannon will be best done as one of the last finishing touches for the ship. I will prepare them, and ensure good fit...but putting them on before the rigging doesn’t make sense to me. They will simply get in the way and Also put on a couple coats of natural finish to the wooden balls and mounting board. Muuuuuch better. Now jumping on the cheeks...sigh. Will need to adjust considerably from the plans. anyhow....moving on. Edited December 30, 2017 by Overworked724 thibaultron, Ryland Craze, Tigersteve and 3 others 6 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share #183 Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) Well. Where to start. Server went down when I was gaining some Holiday traction. Progress report: Great cabin windows, stem post (and massive deviation from plans), mounting screw arrival. Great cabin windows: (Metal fittings suck) Like a more earthy tone so scrapped the historic yellow. Looks too gaudy and garish. Does not match the natural wood warmth I want to portray. Painted a desert yellow with white window frames. The window frames needed some thought. No...no more trim tape as referred in Chuck’s practicum. Opted for a 3x5 note card, a black Sharpie pen, some stick glue, and scissors. Turned out beautiful! Wish I had done the same on the transom windows. Stem post: Ok. Let’s be honest. Chuck is a professional modeler and I’m NOT. So...tossed the practicum and deviated from the plans. Handshaping/sculpting wooden sections the size of a mouse turd is neither fun nor easy for me. Decided to enjoy my model rather than fret over historical inconsistency. Decided to scrap the ‘knees’ altogether...and put in upper and lower ‘cheeks’ (sorry if I’m screwing up the nautical terms) with cross braces connecting them. These tiny bits actually ARE the size of mouse turds! Cannot truly describe how difficult it was to place these things without spreading glue all over. In short...focus on maintaining symmetry as much as possible...I mean I simply eyeballed it since there was simply not opportunity to be precise at this scale. Mounting screws came. Yay! Got at least 1.5” of screw to set the ship. The Admiral simply asked, “Aren’t the screws too long?” Too funny...wish I had longer screws. But what the hell...I won’t be playing football with the model after it’s under glass. 🙄 Pics below....moving on! Happy New Year!!! Cheers, Patrick Edited January 2, 2018 by Overworked724 russ, Elijah, hexnut and 3 others 6 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share #184 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) A bit more perspective in the bow/stem section. Yes, I omitted a LOT! But this was not without a considerable amount of forum searching and assessment of other builds. In short...the Sultana is a small kit, and trying to create the same level of detail as described in the plans is simply beyond me capabilty at this time without some consideration for a beginning level modeler. Seriously...hey Model Shipways! Ever hear of laser cut parts? No? Well you should...21st century modeling....how about you people get with the program and get some laser cut parts for your old kits? Who knows you may actually attract some NEW MODELERS to the craft. 😤🙄 Ok. Chuck’s practicum gives the perfect tips to do this, but it is simply time to move on....so I did. Made appropriate adjustments to make it look nice (but probably not very nautically accurate) and it is what it is... Moving on...and for those going to attempt this kit, I would say that this kit comes with a lot of potential for doing your own thing...and if so...then just do it. Don’t be afraid of doing something different. The plans are good for accuracy vs the Sultana, but Who says you can’t just do your own thing.... We we will see where this goes....but I know the Bob Stay hole is too far behind the figurehead base....so there will be some interference there....all about accommodations at this point...adapting to previous errors....ugh. But that’s thwhat fun of this hobby....always something! Moving on.....to the chain plates and swivel gun mounts. Edited January 2, 2018 by Overworked724 lmagna, Elijah and thibaultron 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmagna Posted January 2, 2018 Share #185 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) Hi Patrick Glad to see you back at the very first of the new year and hope that your's goes well for you. As for your Sultana I personally think that you are doing a fantastic job and need not make excuses for anything you have done OR anything you have not done. If you feel you have modeling limits and chose not to attempt to exceed them on this build then it is far better to keep the kit at your level and nicely done, (Which you have done) rather than exceed your abilities and blotch your beautiful model up with junky looking work, (Which you have not). Besides not everything suggested by the kit manufacture is gospel. They obtained their information from the researcher/designer and his work could be both inaccurate and have included best guesses based on what was available to him and then Model Expo kept what they could use in a kit and skipped over what they could not. So by the time the kit got to you it already had been hashed over by many people and limitations accepted for a number of reasons. If it was a newly designed and researched vessel and manufactured using up to date equipment things could have been different if the effort was made. As you have noticed neither are true in this kit. This is considered to be a moderately easy beginners kit and concessions have been made all the way down the line. I further support your KISS decision on the fact that this was a small relatively unimportant vessel at the time it existed and according to Hahn didn't cost all that much when purchased in 1768 and as such it would be sensible to assume that many elaborate embellishments would be missing or not replaced if damaged or rotted. Just a view of one who is enjoying your build immensely. Lou Edited January 2, 2018 by lmagna Overworked724, Elijah and thibaultron 3 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share #186 Posted January 2, 2018 Happy New Year, Lou! Your kind support is always welcome! Sometimes it helps to vent my frustration...and I truly hope I give more opportunities for you to enjoy the build...slow as it is! Cheers Pat thibaultron, lmagna and Elijah 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share #187 Posted January 2, 2018 Got the port side channels/deadeyes installed. No pins for the channels...will simply say a prayer and hope the carpenter’s glue holds. 😁🙏🏼 Fairly lined up and not a bad result. Touch up paint is in my future. But if I only mount it with port side facing out, then I only have to do half the rigging!!! Tigersteve, John Allen, lmagna and 3 others 6 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted January 2, 2018 Share #188 Posted January 2, 2018 Nicely done Patrick. Just a suggestion: prayer is good, but pins are better. Many of us have learned the hard way that pins are your best friend at points of stress. Bob Elijah, Overworked724, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share #189 Posted January 2, 2018 Thanks, Bob! I totally understand that! Very good tip which I will follow in future. Elijah and thibaultron 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share #190 Posted January 3, 2018 Ok. Going to stand back and admire my progress a bit. The chain plates I made turned out really nice and I am glad now I decided to make my own via wire/solder. The metal was very easy to bend and trim. Made for a fairly painless chain plate attachment and the effect was very clean. After it was done, I had to consider how much she is starting to look like an actual ship!!! Moving on... John Allen, Elijah, lmagna and 6 others 9 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted January 3, 2018 Share #191 Posted January 3, 2018 Nice work on the chainplates. I totally agree with Bob about fastening the channels. Been there, done that. When they come loose in the middle of rigging, it does not look or sound pretty. Russ Overworked724, thibaultron and Elijah 3 Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share #192 Posted January 3, 2018 Thanks, Russ! Well, I can honestly say that they will need to be ripped off since they certainly won’t be coming loose anytime soon. Will be putting in pins for the next build though. Elijah, thibaultron and russ 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share #193 Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Finishing up the hull details and getting ready to move into masts/rigging. Lord help me...😣🙏🏼 Is nice seeing the ship take take on some more definitive look. Long way to go though. Will do do some touch up painting before I start messing around with masts! Also still need to make and fit the swivel gun mounts. Moving on....slowly. Edited January 4, 2018 by Overworked724 Tigersteve, lmagna, tasmanian and 4 others 7 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share #194 Posted January 4, 2018 Tragedy! I just discovered I accidentally included one extra timberhead on both side of the bow! Thank goodness I’m not a stickler for perfection. But since I have already deviated multiple times, this really isn’t too much of an issue for me!!! 🤣 I think she still looks good. Deciding to leave it rather than correct it. Moving on... lmagna, Elijah and thibaultron 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmagna Posted January 4, 2018 Share #195 Posted January 4, 2018 Looks like you managed to measure once and cut twice AND came out with more rather than less! That's quite and accomplishment! Lou Elijah, thibaultron and Overworked724 3 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted January 4, 2018 Share #196 Posted January 4, 2018 Looking nice! Are there any rings for the hawse pipe ends? thibaultron 1 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share #197 Posted January 4, 2018 Thanks, Elijah. I have not included them...but I do have a couple of ideas on how to make them! If they turn out, I'll include them before I run the anchor. Elijah and thibaultron 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share #198 Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Side story: The first thing the Admiral said yesterday evening when she saw the brass eye bolts poking out of the bow wales was, "Your ship has some BLING!". I was miffed...I am too old to BLING anything, and would never consider BLINGING my beloved schooner. I honestly hate that word...BLING. So, after due consideration, decided to make my own eyebolts. Technique was pretty easy with a pair of wire benders. After some trials, found I could make many different sizes fairly reproducibly using 26g black wire. (Good investment!) In truth, the brass eye bolts simply seemed too flashy and a bit out of place. Replacing with the black eye bolts, other than being a bit more historically accurate, aren’t as distracting and seem to allow a more balanced impression. Moving on. Edited January 5, 2018 by Overworked724 John Allen, Ryland Craze, rafine and 5 others 8 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share #199 Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) Friday was a mix of progress and setbacks. 1. Setting up deck furniture, eye bolts, cleats, etc. During drilling of guide hole for pin to set the pawl (the metal tongue holder to keep the windlass from spinning backwards when under load) I accidentally drilled the guide hole in the wrong place. After cursing, I realized the original pawl (following Chuck’s practicum) does not have the breadth to cover my mistake. So..decided to remake the pawl with a wide base and shortened it a bit. Effect was so nice, decided to forgo painting it and simply stained a natural finish before setting it on the step. Not a bad result. 2. Made mast coats using 22g wire per Chuck’s practicum. Will paint later but checks out nicely and allows room for pumps for the main mast. Easy to make but may do wood for next ship. Moving on. Edited January 6, 2018 by Overworked724 lmagna, rafine, jablackwell and 4 others 7 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share #200 Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) Words cannot express my frustration at Britannia metal pieces. Trying to get the metal cleats to fasten to wood is difficult. I roughed the underside of the cleats and used carpenter’s glue. But they still do not seem to hold as fast as they should. I am hesitant to use CA glue...not sure if that would be any better. 😤 Touch up painting definitely in my future after I get the poop rail up. Moving on to remaining cleats, poop rail, rudder arm, binnacle, and swivel gun stocks...(then the masts/rigging if the bloody glue holds!!!) Edited January 8, 2018 by Overworked724 Tigersteve, lmagna, rafine and 4 others 7 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted January 7, 2018 Share #201 Posted January 7, 2018 Pat: Wood glue will not work for attaching metal to wood. Either use C/A or epoxy. Kurt jablackwell, thibaultron and Elijah 3 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estoy_Listo Posted January 7, 2018 Share #202 Posted January 7, 2018 Aye, but it does look good jablackwell, Elijah, Overworked724 and 1 other 4 Quote Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want Current build: Model Expo Glad Tidings, Pinky Schooner First builds: Midwest Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Midwest Chesapeake Bay Flattie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share #203 Posted January 7, 2018 Thanks, Kurt!! Will use CA. Many thanks. Elijah, thibaultron and jablackwell 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share #204 Posted January 8, 2018 I tried using CA on some unpainted cleats (metal) adhering them to basswood strips. The thin ‘waterlike’ CA doesn’t seem to give much purchase. Also, it bleeds all over the place. I got some ‘thick’ CA from Lowe’s (Scotch brand) which comes in a tube. Easy to apply and control amount on the part as the glue comes out as a light gel. Worked really well on the trial pieces. The cleats attached to the bulkhead on both sides of the main deck were a bit of a trial...touch up paint WILL be needed. 🙄 Finished up all cleats/eye bolts. Left the eye bolts in the front of both masts unglued since these both need a block stropped to them. Better to do that on the pins off the model and then set them in place...seems it would be much easier that way! (He said unconfidently...) moving on... thibaultron, lmagna and Elijah 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share #205 Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) Needed to stop and back track a bit. The pawl looked like a stick of butter and the bits were askew ever so slightly. So removed and restained pawl with darker stain, and reset the bits. Much better...and yes, the foremast is off center by about 1mm. My eye sees it all the time, but I have learned to accept this little ship with all its (my) errors. She’s still looking mighty handsome!!! moving on...to binnacle and poop rails. Edited January 8, 2018 by Overworked724 Elijah, rafine, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share #206 Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) Installed binnacle. Started prepping the stanchions. As an afterthought, I also stained the upper part of the rudder above deck level to match the bitts/pawl/windlass. Once the rudder arm is installed (after poop rails are in), it should be a fairly nice match. I am getting a newfound respect for harder/tight grain woods. The toothpicks were a unique idea but the wood is crap...like basswood it gets very thready. Good to know for future!!! moving on... Edited January 9, 2018 by Overworked724 glennreader, zappto, Elijah and 4 others 7 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share #207 Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) Some slight progress. Got poop rails on and the overall effect is certainly better than I’d hoped. The stanchions made from the toothpicks added a nice ‘splash’!! Attached tiller and pumps. (Running out of furniture...soon I’ll have to start working on the masts!) Luckily, I was able to justifiably procrastinate by building my last bit of furniture...the two steps on port and starboard which lead from the main deck to the quarter deck. I know Chuck’s awesome practicum shows an actual single step ladder, but after a few attempts I was certain the things were going to come out sub-par. So...opted for a less challenging option. I was thinking if I HAD to put a step there, I’d rather put a milk carton! So I thought, why not simply put a small step on a block. So I did....then stained them and glued in place. Not too shabby of a result for a cheapie sidestep. Moving on... Edited January 14, 2018 by Overworked724 thibaultron, lmagna, Tigersteve and 5 others 8 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappto Posted January 14, 2018 Share #208 Posted January 14, 2018 Excellent ship build, very clean work on the deck and the hull! thibaultron, Overworked724 and Elijah 3 Quote Current build: Mamoli - La gloire 1778 Finished builds: Mamoli - Friesland 1663 Mamoli - Lexington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmagna Posted January 14, 2018 Share #209 Posted January 14, 2018 I agree, a VERY nice build to be proud of. I am kind of jealous though! Lou John Allen, Elijah, Overworked724 and 1 other 4 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share #210 Posted January 14, 2018 Thanks so much, guys. Very kind support. But in truth, I am still just finishing the body of the ship....I have not started on the rigging....I hope I make a decent job of it! thibaultron and Elijah 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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