Ian_Grant

6 hours ago, Landlubber Mike said:

Another creative project, I'm in!  Love the idea and use of native woods, this is going to be another Glen special!

Glen, as a precaution please be sure to check out these tropical woods for potential toxicity when sanding! Safety first ..... 🐘 <- (Elmer the safety elephant, who my kids never heard of from school).

ps I know a guy who built cabinets from some unusual wood or other, and rubbed sawdust all over his forearms to prevent him sweating on his sanded surfaces. His whole body broke out in hives for several days and he swore he'll never touch that wood species again.

Glen, glad you're back with another unique project. Looking forward to seeing it evolve. And at 1/100 scale this could be your first bottle ship where you could have an actual crew!

She does look even better.......

Bill, I agree that the ratlines look better darker. What did you do to stain them?

Reading Kirill's recipe I wonder if it would affect the longevity of the thread as a display?

Looks like a great planking job to me, especially for such a voluptuous hull!

Beautiful work.

Yet another post on 3D eagles. Found a likely-looking one for the bow, with wings spread. I measured in TinkerCAD and his wings are at too narrow an angle compared to the bows, so as an experiment I will try a PLA print at the library; if successful some surgery will be in order to see how he looks mounted. If nice, I can get a resin print later or possibly play around in TinkerCAD to amputate his wings and re-attach at a wider angle.

Interesting looking ship; I also do not think she is ugly. But 30kg!!  That's a heavy RC model to lug to water........🏋️‍♀️

Success!  Scaled to 3/4" tall, pedestal removed (with a few lingering glitches in his tail feathers) in TinkerCAD.

Shall see if Andrew can clench his claws for me, to go around a cross-bar on the stern flagpole.

Many thanks to Paul!! 

Paul, I did so and here is what was imported into TinkerCAD......HaHa!!

I'm guessing this massive model exceeded the z-axis limit in TinkerCAD. Will try scaling it in 3d builder then re-importing.

7 hours ago, Kevin-the-lubber said:

When you’ve finished with your brother can I have him please. I still haven’t got my head around Blender and all that stuff, I remain strictly ‘engineer-grade’ and at some point will have to learn how to do figureheads etc. I’m sure he could tell you how to deal with that eagle but what I’ve done in the past was to download Meshmixer (it’s free) and use that to reduce the number of polygons etc. That said, you won’t need to cut it up for resin printing, you’d just need to do something for mounting on the ship.

 

 

When I get to the point of needing a crew I'm hoping to visit him for a weekend for a tutorial on using blender to pose figures. I have bookmarked a 3D legionnaire figure who is "fully rigged" meaning he has "bones" which can be moved around to pose him, and his armour/clothing just sort of flows naturally as posed. Would beat amputations and re-gluing.

Thanks Paul. Apologies for wasting your time, but it wasn't from thingiverse after all; I was all over the web looking and I downloaded that eagle from myminifactory.

How many 3D model sites are there I wonder?

Here's a try at attaching the actual .stl file......Needs to be simplified down to 25M, don't know what it would like by then. Perhaps it would be simplest (for me) if I sent the file to my brother who presumably is familiar with better tools than TinkerCAD which is the extent of my 3D skills.

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-jupiter-as-an-eagle-from-the-ganymede-group-a44-278554

thorvaldsen-a44-a-eagle.stl

Bill, you need to decide what ropes go to the kevels. The main braces absolutely do not tie off at the flagpole and should go to a kevel. I believe there is a kevel on each side which Heller leaves unused. Re-assign the kevels in a way that makes sense. Someone else's SR log mentioned this, I forget whose. Good luck Mr. Phelps.

5 hours ago, henrythestaffy said:

Ian,

      If you are using windows there is a program built in called 3d builder. If you import the eagle file into it there is an option to simplify which will reduce the size in megabytes. It might be an option to consider.

 

regards

 

paul

Paul, thanks for the tip! I imported the free eagle to 3d builder, unable to figure out "simplify" in ten minutes playing with the tool and viewing youtube. Will keep trying. Here's an image from 3d builder ..... this eagle, with dais deleted, would be fantastic atop the stern flagpole although I'm not sure how much the detail would hold up at my small printed size.....I saw some eagles with wings spread, now that I know about this tool I will see about getting one of them "simplified" and into TinkerCAD where hopefully I can cut it up for use at the bow. 🤞

Or ask my brother to do it. 😉

4 hours ago, BANYAN said:

 

Are your figures going to be articulated to allow movement with the oars?  (sorry may have missed this)

 

cheers

 

Pat

Sorry Pat, the crew figures will be "still lives" on-deck in various positions. The "oarsmen" are completely out of sight, and danger from projectiles, in the enclosed hull which is one of the reasons I decided to build this ship as opposed to, say, a viking ship. Articulated oarsmen are beyond my pay grade. 😉

8 minutes ago, Glen McGuire said:

I LOVE that idea, Ian!!

Yeah, I think it would look good. There will be a small eagle atop the flagpole at the stern too. I was looking in Thingiverse for a suitable eagle. Downloaded a free one, but the .STL file was too big for TinkerCAD to open (limited to 25M file size). Will be looking again.

Also made a start at 3D CAD drawing for the scorpion artillery, before I realized I don't know how they got tilt and traverse with the bulwark in the way, without the machine getting rather too high up. Will have to think more about it.

53 minutes ago, Kevin-the-lubber said:

That’s a fantastic price. I assume this is the Halot-Mage, which is also available as a great BF deal here at the moment. However, as my Elegoo Saturn is more or less the same size there’d be no sense in buying this, much as I’m tempted. If your brother is good with Blender or something similar you should end up with wonderful, unique figures to go with this unique build. Actually, I remember there’s an amazing app for making figures called Daz3D, in case it’s of interest.

Oopsie!  My bad - the printer was Halot1 Pro for $169CDN, it is the washer which was $120.

Andrew is an animator who worked on Star Wars, Pearl Harbour, The Hulk, and numerous other movies. Looking forward to his help with a crew!

13 minutes ago, Kevin-the-lubber said:

That looks great, Ian, quite a project.

Thanks Kevin. My goal is to sail (row?) her in the local RC boat club's February evening at a local pool. 🙃

Possibly of interest to you, my brother just bought a Creality resin printer, and washing machine, in a "Black Friday" sale (you may never have heard of it; it was an annual fall thing in the States which has spread to here). Just $120CDN for the printer! He says he has my crew in mind for it. 😊

I finally attached the steering platforms after adding most of the exterior trim. Now it's back to the library to laser etch some ply for the fore and stern decks; after adding them I can skin the inside of the fore and stern bulwarks and add the cap rails. I will probably need to add the rudder servo and links before the stern deck decreases access. Pics:

Clamping a piece of stern trim. I cheated by cutting the arc from a sheet instead of edge-bending.

The bow. The little panels below the (absent) cap rail will be blue with red framing. I left out a couple of forward panels for now; thinking of  somehow making or finding a decorative element for there. I drew a little signum in 3dCAD but not sure if it would print, or even if it's appropriate for a ship as opposed to an infantry formation. Maybe a cut-up 3D printed eagle on stempost, with wings extending back into these spaces???? Still pondering. The painted eyes will be in the space at stempost below the trim.

Outrigger trim. The little verticals defining sets of three ports were planned originally. The laser etcher could not do the outrigger tops in one long piece; I needed to add a plank to cover the seam so I placed the seam at one of the verticals and added more planks across the outrigger top to match the others. "Make a bug into a feature". Despite what I said earlier I safely cut the trim from wood on my Unisaw by making an auxiliary zero-clearance plate and fence.

Port steering platform. They could stand to be 1/4" narrower aesthetically but I figure I need the width to place the rudder shaft outboard enough for the exaggerated oversized rudder to clear the hull, and for the rudder horn to swing. The stern inboard half of the platform will have a shaped block reaching the cap rail level, containing a brass tube for the rudder shaft. This gives me about 2" of "sleeve bearing" for about 6-1/2" of rudder and shaft below the platform. Hoping it won't bind. The horn will be beneath the steering platform deck, concealed from the side by the steering platform's walls which extend below the deck.

The stern. There will be one more trim piece, starting at the steering platform at "half bulwark" height and again sweeping up to the cap rail at the sternpost.

I must say this part has been fun compared to endlessly tinkering with the oar mechanisms. Still don't know what kind of paint to use. Can't see myself masking and remasking to spray all those little panels, and wales etc. One hobby shop said use whatever paint I like so long as I apply a compatible UV clear-coat on top ......

Nice job so far.

Your workbench looks like mine .... 😉

9 hours ago, popeye2sea said:

I hear what your saying Ian, and it makes sense, but I have never seen a stay on any ship I have been on with any discernable sag to it.  It may in fact be there, but it is very hard to see.  Those stays are pretty tight. Same with shrouds.  Now running rigging is a totally different story. Catenary curves abound.

 

Regards,

Henry

I recall standing at the foot of Cutty Sark's foremast looking up along the mainstay. It was a curve, tight I grant you.

Oh Bill, just leave well enough alone!  Your stays look great, job well done! On to the next task......👍

Not an expert, but any given rope or wire stay with say nothing attached along its length will sag in a catenary curve. No real stay on a real ship is a straight line. These old-time ships with braces attached far from the ends of the stay would have to result in distortion of the stay; having the stay remain undisturbed would require the stay's tension force to hugely exceed the sideways pull exerted by the brace if the sail is drawing. I'm trying to think of an analogy but I'm drawing a blank right now .....

I don't see where you proposed that sail plan above, but yes it would be fine. Or you could do something interesting with the courses as in my print of Victory sailing into Trafalgar, below. Notice how the windward clew of the mainsail has been pulled up a bit to allow the foresail to catch some more wind as Henry alluded to above. Note the breeze was very light on the morning of Trafalgar so all sail was set, even stunsails, to reduce the time spent enduring enemy fire without being able to reply. In fact, sources say they approached the combined Fleet at a casual walking pace all the while under fire.

That is not nautically inaccurate. They weren't slaves to particular sail combinations in light airs. The diagram I posted depicts the steps in reduction from full sail, under a situation of continually increasing wind strength.

As Veszett says, in battle the courses were usually furled to reduce fire risk.