Keith Black

Well that's a new one for bribing the kids to produce a grandchild.

Rob, thank you for the compliment. I considered gravity as the only means for the lantern's trip back to the deck but then I thought of those winter nights when the block and lines would have iced, maybe even froze and would have required a pull from a downhaul line to bring the lantern back down to the deck. If you note in Eberhard's first photo in post #787, at the base of the carrier there is an extended plate with a hole where a clevis would attach for the downhaul.......me thinks.

It would have died of ugliness before it died due to mechanical failure.

Pete, welcome to MSW. Glad to have you aboard.

Keith, I know its early (very early) on in this build but I know you're already thinking about the myriad of "how to's" and "what to do's". In your Germania build I remember your decision not to paint the Germania's hull. What are your thoughts regarding the Cangarda's hull?

I was transferring my experience with kerosene lamps with glass chimneys and Coleman lanterns to ship's lanterns with which I have no experience. My apologies for being wrong to do so. Okay, the middle eyes are there for the halyard adding another line of stability to keep lines and lantern from twisting.

Very clever and they turn out very realistic looking.

As usual, I failed to give a visual size reference in the original post, my apologies.

Pat, if you don't mind me adding my two cents worth. In Bob's post #778, I basically copied that lantern. the rings at top and bottom are for the guide lines, we can't see the back but it's not hard to imagine it being something similar to what I've done less the the eyes for the halyard to the deck. I added those to keep all lines separated and to insure the no line came in close contact with a hot lantern.

I tried making a lantern carrier as is pictured in Eberhard's post #787, first and second photos. It turned out looking like the dog's lunch so I moved on the masthead lantern 2.0. I was going to attach wire eyes to the carrier but it looked so nasty I said to myself, "self, just add the wires directly to the lantern", so that's what i did. The top eyes are made from a continuous piece of 28 ga annealed wire. The middle eye is made with single twist around a jewelers round nose pliers and then the eyes one either side are a inside loop made with the jewelers pliers. The bottom eyes are made the same. The wired eyes are attached to the lantern with CA. The outside loops are for the guide/stabilizing lines. The middle top and bottom eyes are for the halyard to run through to the deck. The halyard and downhaul line are tied at the base of the middle eyes. The viewer must use their imagination as to how the lines were removed from the lantern via clips and clevis where it could be taken below and serviced, those are just too small to try and replicate. After viewing the photos I need to adjust the eyes to level. This temporary lash up has too much slack so the lantern appears a bit wonky but once permanently added to the model with lines under tension the looks will hopefully improve. Once again, thank you to all who made this lantern project possible. Thank you to all for your kind comments and the likes and thank you to all for having the patience to follow along.

I'm really at a loss for words to describe how much I look forward to this journey, press on Mr Keith.

Nice looking brick, Siggi. Did you make those or purchase them?

And I pondered that object for years always wondering but never knowing till now. Thank you, Eberhard. I would have great, if not impossible, difficulty in replicating the sailcloth ventilator. Even more difficult is determining what is being ventilated. The third set of photos in my post #802 is the only photo showing the forecastle deck. I've never known what was shown just forward of the 60 pound Parrott rifle. being so blurred I ignored it but now I'm thinking that's a companionway which would make sense and be reason for the sailcloth ventilator. Edit.....Impossible means giving it your best shot and if you fail, then the task maybe impossible. It's not a companionway forward of the 60 pounder, it's a hatch which fed ammunition to the Parrott. I wondered how they got shell and powder up ladders to the forecastle deck, they didn't, it was via a hatch. I looked for companionway stanchions and couldn't see any so it has to be a hatch. I'll have to move the bitts forward a tad but I'll get a hatch in there. Then I'll give it my best shot to model the sailcloth ventilator. It must be rare as nothing comes up when sailcloth ventilator or canvas ventilator is Googled. I owe it to Eberhard for the discovery and knowing what he was looking at and to the Tennessee for having one deployed to make an honest effort The hatch coaming is higher than the hatches on the main deck which makes sense because of waves breaking over the bow. The hatch cover will need to be partially open for the ventilator.

I've run out of words, all I can do is hit the wow emoji.

Once I was provided with all the useful information during the lantern discussion I went back over all the Tennessee photos and I'm pretty sure I've located the block for the masthead lantern. When I noticed it I slapped my forehead, smiled, and thought of and thanked each of you. In the below photo I'm pretty sure the top arrow is pointing to the masthead lantern block spliced into the stay. Also, zero to 180 degree vertical lines can be seen leading from the block to the stern castle stanchion railing area which I take to be the lantern guide, lift, and downhaul lines. Maybe the lift and downhaul lines were tied off to the stanchion railing? I can see no reason for a block to be spliced into the stay at that point and for dang sure not the vertical lines for anything other than for the masthead lantern. In the photo below the block is visible but not the lantern guide, lift, or downhaul lines. The below photo may and I say may show the actual lantern? It's in the right location but the photo quality make it a guess. The following photos show??? For years I've looked at this stern view photo and mused as to what the object was between the arrows. Is it possible that it was for the stern lantern? It's the right shape at the top and the lantern could be tied on each side to keep the lantern from twisting. Thoughts please. To find something new after looking at these photos all these years is exciting to say the least. Thank you!

How funny is that! No, I was the one expecting to be blocked from your build logs dear friend. Rob, this goes back to Glen's build logs and me always wanting him to add a penguin to his SIB builds and my posting of penguin photos in his build logs. Long running joke between Glen and I. I'm perfectly at ease with all, Rob. Thank you.

Rob, please don't feel the need to apologize, push this envelope as far as you guys want or till everyone wants to move on to something else as I have more to add on the subject. Lantern teaser.... I found something in one of the Tennessee photos and it put a big smile on my face, more later.

Paul, she's looking great.

As is splitting the tire manufactures name with the valve stem. Do you play with cars, Bob? We did till we retired and we could no longer afford the hobby on a fixed income. I do miss it from time to time with the exception of belt buckles.

This is not a purest build log. I enjoyed every post as each poster brought something meaningful to the discussion. Again, thank you to everyone for your responses. What great photos, Eberhard. Thank you. In the first photo I can see how the lantern is mounted to the "carrier" (I don't know the correct name) and it looks like it would take ten minutes to disconnect the lantern from the carrier for the lantern to be taken down to the lamp room for refill and maintenance. I will try to replicate the carrier and attach to the lantern i posted a photo of in an earlier post. Those photos answer so many questions, thank you again for posting them.

Thank God, you don't know how relieved I am.

Clarification and apology. When i said "but I played one on TV" I was completing the sentence from Keith's post "we aren't experts in conservation" pointing the finger at myself only. I should have posted the full sentence "i'm no expert but I played one on TV." I was trying to pun the "I'm not a doctor but I played one on TV" line but I'm afraid I offended Roger and maybe Keith and Johnny as well. I've since deleted the post for it's stupidity and irrelevance to the subject at hand. To Al, I apologize. To any I offended, my most sincere apologies.

Ras, I think that's a good idea. The seat turned out well and the whole is looking very nice.

When I started down this lantern rabbit hole I didn't realize I needed to pack a lunch, I thought it would be a pretty simple affair. But thanks to those who contributed to the discussion on lantern usage, I've learned their use was far from simple. I now know why lanterns are not included on model ships of this time period. Knowledge is scarce and justification is limited. I may try to figure out how to rig a lantern at the foremast head and let it go at that and blame morning watch tardiness for it still being aloft. I'll need to modify one of the lanterns I have even though its scale size (36 x 18 inches) it too large by a third. But I have other immediate task like rope coils and stropping deadeyes to be detained for a lengthy period of time on something that wouldn't have been there in daytime operations. Thank you again to all for taking the time to add to this discussion and for following along......Keith

Thank you, Bob. It's a shame MSW doesn't give you the option of using two emojis because your post required a "thank you" and a wow. edit......Mark just added the needed wow.