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OK NOW I understand! Sorry to have wrecked it for you. Just shows who is the smarter more astute of the two of us! You got my reference to attention span and things that attract, and your's flew high over my limited abilities. Can I blame it on my Admiral and her endless distractions of Honey-Do's for today to get the house ready for our kids, (Who are well aware of how we live and what the house looks like on non "Family" days? Dense Lou

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No need to apologize John. Your input is just as useful as any other source. We all have had that DUH moment when someone points out the obvious, myself more than I care to admit. My research on the Providence has in reality taken very little time as such matters go and has been superficial at best. My last research on a vessel took over five years before I was able to at last locate the hull lines that would be needed to build the model. They were located in San Francisco of all places. That is what happens when one wants to build something as obscure as I seem to choose. That is also why I have posted here about my proposed Providence build. Each time I have brought it up someone on the forum has added some insight and pointed me in a direction that I was not aware of or didn't know how to get to. In this research much has been just elininating some things that would be wrong rather than discovering some long lost bit of information that was unknown yesterday. There is very little available no matter how hard you look! As for the local libraries, I have used ours a number of times over the years. I did research on two houses I own, one built in 1905 that I lived in for 14 years and my present home built in 1898. I also did some research on my older adopted grandson's family on his mother's side. His Great Great Grandfather was a tribal chief and his Great Grandmother was a notable person within the tribe as well and was one of the first tribal members to get a college degree among other achievements. There is a special section in the library that houses this kind of information and like you say the person who runs it is very knowledgeable in doing research within the information available on site. So rest assured I take information and suggestions from any source. It is then up to me to weigh the information and include, discard or something in between with what I get. Lou

Maybe so Denis, but not committable. If all it takes to keep you happy is a beat up hair net then you are pretty harmless to yourself and others.................. OOOhh a box of clothespins!!!! Lou

Rodger My only experience with Mystic was unfortunately to have my request totally ignored, Not even a "Sorry we don't provide that information unless you are here." Lou

On this research I have had it go both ways. I have been able to do a fair amount without leaving my chair. A good thing as I live within blocks of where they park an aircraft carrier now and then here on the west coast and almost all of the information that is to be had is on the other coast! Much of the information is not obtainable only because it was never considered to be all that important when it was readily available and never archived to begin with. So I can not blame the digital age for that. I have also run into the same issue with potential information dating from work by others in the late 20s and early 30s. Very hard to obtain information when even the researcher considered it unimportant so it either has not been archived and is just a bunch of boxes of papers sitting on a shelf, or there is no one available to retrieve the information and it would take a personal visit to pick and choose. My best results so far have been through digital means and consist of references to the above mentioned prior research or copies of paintings or models and such. If I was able to take the time away from my "Normal?" life and physically go back east and dig for myself and follow leads that I would surly discover then it is possible that the amount of non digital information Vs. digitally obtained content would change. Another source that has not been mentioned is micro film and micro fish. This was possibly the first attempt at storing large amounts of information in a readily accessible and searchable format, and even though I still have readers that can use this format, (Somewhere) I have not found anyone offering access to these types of files or copies of them outside of some local documents in a special room on my local library. Lou

That's OK John I would rather be going to Hooters than fixing some old central heating anyway. Oh I forgot I don't even have central heat in my 120 year old home anyway! It is true that we have seen so many changes in digital storage and media in our lives and there is no reason to believe it will somehow stop in the coming years. Some of it has been good I suppose giving people access to more information without having to physically travel to the source of the information, and some of it not so good in that it was archived in a manner that makes it hard to retrieve today. But then that has almost always been the case. Either the information was not archived in a way that made it accessible to the common person or anyone for that matter, or it was not considered important at the time and no records exist at all today when at last someone feels it is important after all. We need to look no further than our quest for information on ships to see an example. Lou

That reminds me of the fate of John Kendrick, the Captain of the Lady Washington. In 1794 when a British sloop, the Jackal, returned a salute and one of the guns was loaded and killed Kendrick and a few others. Lou

Hey Mark I thought Marine officers were supposed to be just as tough as their men? with a "Anything you can do, I can do better" attitude. It's Army officers with a rank of Lieutenant that will get you lost if you give them a map! Army Captains and above are not much better! Lou

I think it may have looked a little like this; This may also help a little: http://www.srcalifornia.com/flags/revuniforms1b.htm I find it notable that the Marine officer's uniform included a shoulder epaulet but the original navy officer uniform didn't. Lou

Piet I think that this little house may have been the radio room or "Radio Shack." I agree though that it seems like the model has no door! Do your plans show one? Great work on rigging the antennas. Lou

The Providence when sailing as the Katy for Rhode Island flew the state flag I believe. When she was sold to the Continental Congress in December 1775 she adopted the Continental Grand Union flag with the Union jack and 13 stripes that had been adopted in October. At the time of the Nassau raid in March of 1776, there is no question that she was flying the Grand union flag as part of Hopkins fleet, but there is still a chance that she may have carried the "Don't Tread On Me" flag as well as that flag was the Marine flag of the time. Lou

Looking very nice Jack A well executed and unique model. Lou

Sad to see your unique and credible work come to such a point this far into the build! Hope you are able to salvage something. Lou

David Possibly it is just a platform that allows a little better footing for the people handling the jib sails rather than standing in a confined area of the bow or out on the boom. Hopefully someone has a better answer for you. (Meaning for me also) Lou

Hi again David I have to kind of agree with Dave. Why is the grating even there? The belaying pin railing, I am going to assume that is what the holes running port to starboard are, would in most cases be placed along the cap rail anyway or would just be an open rail with holes for the pins. But then I am not even close to being considered knowledgeable on ship design of the early 19th century. Nice build either way you end up going. Lou

Hello David Dumb question I guess, but would it be better to shorten the grating at the bow to allow the Bowsprit to remain whole rather than run the grating all the way to the ends of the cap rail? Lou

I have an OLD Sultana kit, one of the yellow box kits and it was missing the hull forming, (Bulkhead?) sheets. As far as I know the kits in those days didn't even have them. I contacted Marc Mosko at Model Expo and he sent me a set at no cost even when I offered to pay for them and the shipping! I was impressed as I have had the kit for years and it was a gift at the time. Lou

The clothespin system works well for holding regular stuff like for painting. but for tiny stuff like Antonio was showing they can be a little clumsy unless you cut the tip WAY down to a point. I would use them if that was all I had, if for no other reason other than they will not leave a mark on the wood, but i still think tweezers are better as they are a little more delicate in their application and easier to use on tiny parts. Lou

Welcome to the forum spider999. It looks like you should have stopped at just a Son! I'm on my third generation of kids myself, (Three born and two adopted) so I know of what you speak. But in truth I think I lost most of my craft time the day I married! Shows you the true power of women over men, it does not really matter if you marry them or they are born into your life they still take over! I wish you all the luck with your build. Lou PS: Just close the gun ports on the lower decks and pretend you did it on purpose!

I would add a like but that sounds like it REALLY hurt compounded by getting your glasses smeared all over your face. Were they safety glasses? In addition I suppose your shipbuilding might be a bit delayed until you get new glasses and can wear them. (Usually whenever glasses are involved the bridge of the nose is as well.) Get well soon Lou

Hello Antonio I don't know about other people but I have an old pair of crossover tweezers that I like to use for stuff like that. I have had them so long that I don't even know where I got them but they are something like this: Hope that may be of use to you as well. Lou

If you have it done on your hands what are you going to do about your throat? (Pharynx) Then you will not only not be able to play but your singing would be pretty useless also! Maybe you could dance though. As for staring at your deck...... What makes you think I'm human? After all you have never met me.Correct me if I'm wrong but that style of decking is called herringbone I think. Lou

Hey Denis you might have Planker Fasciitis! Lou

Some people will go to extremes to get a little extra shipyard time! (Hope you feel better soon! Must have been a heck of a hit to get you sent to the hospital/home.) I got all bruised and a bit cut up once and all I got was cleaned up by the doctor while another doctor was working on my prisoner! I still had to take him to the jail and do all the paperwork before the night was out! I eventually ended up with a black eye! Lou