Zarkon

On 1/3/2018 at 5:57 PM, Dan Vadas said:

Jeff, they are a lot easier to sand before they are fitted to the deck.

Thanks for the advice Dan! I will be doing just that on the next deck.

I feel that I am finally back to where I was before the accident! I finished putting on the shot garlands!

Compairing it to what I had before, I think this is much better.  What I didn't realize was that the space between the shot garlands were actually roughly in the middle of where the corresponding gun would go.  I already had marked where the guns should be on the model and figured out that I had marked out everything correctly! That was a huge relief and 0 work had to be redone.  That means the gun placement as well as the hatch placements are correct.

Next, I am thinking of varnishing the deck,  then  remaking the bulkhead sides I removed and gluing them in place.  I am not that happy with the ones I already made and think I can make them better.

Thanks!

Jeff 

7 hours ago, AntonyUK said:

As Dan pointed out. It's worth doing and they are a focus of people when they are looking at the deck.

A truly excellent build.

Antony,  thank you and everyone for the likes!

As for making the gratings curved, I plan on doing just that as both you and Dan have pointed out.  I will be progressively curving them based on the book plans.

Thanks!!

Jeff

I finally feel like I have made some progress!  I am close to getting back to before the falling disaster. But this time making the middle deck instead.  I have put on the hatches as well as started to make the shot garlands. According to the book, there should be nine cannon balls held on the shot garlands I have made.  But the wood supplied in the kit kept chipping off because of how close each cannon ball is to the next.  So instead,  I put seven instead of nine and that fixed the problem. ( And no,  not meaning to make that a Star trek reference!)   The companionways are all painted black because I am not making the lower deck nor cutting out holes to look deeper into the ship. 

 Thanks!!

Jeff

It sure has been a while since I have posted.  Things have been crazy around here!  I finally finished planking the middle deck!!! 

It took a long while to do, but its done! The last part is to varnish it.  It is definetly not perfect,  but I have learned a lot so the next deck I plank will be a lot better.

 I hope I can continue at a little faster pace. I get about 30 min per day to work on it. Usually I am too tired so I don't get to work on it as much as I want. 

Happy holidays and new years!

Jeff

Thanks for the explanation Dan! I will be sure to use the correct terminology from now on.

Luckily for me, I had today off so I was able to complete the deck nailing on the planks already placed.

I think it turned out better than I thought!  I tried to use a pen and a pencil, but I kept adding small lines whenever I tried to pick it up of the decking.  Instead, I drilled 1064 holes. I then filled them up with cherry wood filler and sanded it smooth.

I also started to make the frames I removed.

Using thr scroll saw, I made these.

I made the other side too but not sized yet. I haven't glued them in because i want to finish sanding/shaping them,  and it will make it easier to add the last of the deckk planks.

So finally my scroll saw came on Friday!  I was excited to try it out, so I used it to make the piecses of the cutwater. I think thats what its called. After watching a few YouTube videos, went went off to work!

I think I will remake 1 or 2 pieces,  but overall I think it went pretty well! I used the book plans for this and it actually fits much better on the hull than the prefab kit part did. I also got  a dremal and the drill press attachment thing and used it as a sander to help dand the curves of the pieces.

While I was waiting for the saw, I also put some nails into the middle deck planks to try it out.

I now need to finish the cutwater and cut out the parts of the frames I removed ealier.

Thanks!

Jeff

12 hours ago, Dan Vadas said:

As it looks like you will be starting a fair bit of Scratchbuilding I'd strongly suggest you look for one. It's a lot more versatile than a Band Saw or Table Saw, and a hell of a lot easier than cutting ply with a fret saw.

Thanks Dan!

A scroll saw looks to be exactly what I will need! Just did some prive checking and the hardware stores around me sell them from $81 - $150 dollars. Thats not bad at all!  I will have to ask my wife though,  before picking one up!

Jeff

Hmm it didn't seem to remove that last pic when I edited the post.

Oh well!

Forgot to ask you guy's opinion about hull planking.

I noticed that the supplied wood is about double the width of the actual hull planks shown in the book. My question is, should I use the supplied wood, or get new hull planks that more accuratly replicate the plank size?  I know it would be more work, but what would look better for the end result? It's not a matter of time, I just want it to look nice.

Especially since I am using deck planks that much more closely match the actual width, would it look strange to use wider planks on the hull with the thinner deck planks? I do not intend on painting the hull since I really like the natural wood look.  If I do decide to get new hull strips, what type of wood would work well?

Thanks a LOT for the help!

Jeff

On 12/10/2017 at 9:34 PM, leginseel said:

Hi Jeff, What I did with mine is use a needle to make small pin pricks to the ends of the planks which showed up beautifully when I varnished the deck without them being too much.

Thats a good idea! I tried that out on some scrap wood with very nice results.  I will use that technique!  

I haven't put the tree nails in yet, but I have been making slow progress on the deck

I've been leaning along the way how to make it flat since the strips are 1.5mm thick.  I really like working with this wood! It's a lot nicer than the kit supplied wood.  It's not sanded yet so it does look a little rough.

Since I am getting closer to the edges of the ship, I am starting to think about making the frames that I removed.  I have the correct shapes, thanks to the book and the ply sheet that I saved that held the pre-cut frames.  The frames need to go from the middle deck to the quarterdeck.  I need to make these very precise so the hull planking will be correct.  I need some help with that because I am not sure of the best way to make it, nor what wood I should use for it.  I'm thinking ply would be fine since it won't be seen.  I don't have any power tools to help create them.  This is all the tools I have right now:

I might (?) need some other tools to help make those frames but not sure what would be best.  Also, I think I will need some tools to help make the athwarthship carlings, knees, shaped half beams, etc. Any advice would be great as to what tools really help make these custom pieces that I will add to the upper deck.  Like I said before, I'm not going to plank the upper deck so you can see into the middle deck.

I'm thinking of using swiss pearl for the beams, carlings, knees, etc.  I've seen that wood used on other projects here and it looks like it might contrast well with the costello boxwood I am using for the deck planks.

Jeff

19 hours ago, Dan Vadas said:

Will you be "caulking" the upper decks? I'll let you know the easy way of doing it if you are. Same for treenails.

Thanks Dan!

By caulking, do you mean rubbing the side of each plank with the artist pen?  Thats what I have been doing for these planks.  I would like to know of an easy way to tree nail.  I have read a lot of threads here about different ways to do it.  But at my scale, 1:94, I'm not sure what would be the best approach. 

Thanks again for the advice!

Jeff

Dan, thanks for the insight onto the curvature of the gratings. I will take that into consideration on the upper deck and above. 

I finally have a little to show. I got the new deck plank strips and I am VERY happy with the quality of the wood! I just hope I can do it justice with my deck planking.

Here is where I am so far. The width of the planks is about half of that of the kit supplied plank strips.  This is much more inline with the correct width of the planks according to the book.  They are still about 0.5mm too wide, but I don't think many people would notice at this scale.... I hope hahaha!

It sure takes a long while, but I hope the results are better.

I haven't been able to work on the ship as much as I would like.  Life with a 2.5 year old is never dull.  We just enrolled him in hia first soccor camp.  He just ran around the indoor facility for most of the 50 minutes, occasionally kicking the ball. Haha! I think the next session this Saturday, he will understand more of what he is suppose to do.

Anyway, I am going to continue hacking away at this deck. I usually can get 1 row done per day, but sometimes I'm too tired from chasing my son around to work on it, but I'm not in any rush.

Thanks!

Jeff

Is there anyway to like your posts multiple times? 

Your work is incredible and inspires me in my current build.  I can only dream of matching your skill!

Jeff

I have remade the hatchs as I am still waiting on my wood strips to arrive.

I think it looks a lot better than my first attempt at it.  The last hatch is drying and needs to be sanded.  Next, I will work on the knee (I think thats what it's called?). Making it from scratch  based upon what Dan posted earlier.  Not too much work done, but slowly making progress.

I hope the strips come in soon as I am ready to plank the middle deck.  Then I will feel like I'm finally making good progress.

Jeff

On 9/9/2017 at 4:29 PM, Dan Vad said:

If you haven't already, I suggest you make one gun now and try it for size - you may get a good surprise if it fits OK . I think it will .

I have made 1 gun and you are correct, it does fit! Barely haha!!  So thats all well and good!

I figured out what I will do with the ends of the middle deck. Like both Dan and leginseel said, I will be planking the sides as walls.  I will make the galley room  with doors, but extend the wall to the edges of the deck to cover up the bulkhead.  On the other side, I will be building my own wall after the stairs to the lowet deck.  I will be adding some detail to these walls (and doors too!).  Im not going to do this yet until I get the deck planking wood so I can figue out what wood would go well with it.

I should get the wood in a week or so since they said they were really busy and should be shipped today.

I realized I don't have enough hatch gratings for the model since I am adding the middle deck.  I want them to be uniform,  so I ordered some gratings from Syren Model ship company.  Wow! What a difference in quality!  I'll be using only hatches from Syren on this model.  I built a few and I really like what they look like!

After making them, I realized I made the hatches in the wrong order. Because the gratings won't  fit. Duh! A very noob mistake.  So I will be making the hatches again after making the gratings of the correct size. Live and learn.  I feel like I am making about every mistake in the book so far.

After making the gun, I realized that I will need to make an extra 18+ guns with carrages to fill the new middle deck.  So I won't have enough from the kit.  Would you guys recommend getting them from Syren too?  What I am concerned about is that if I only get the extra that I will need, they won't look the same as the upper deck guns (both the cannons and the carrages).   I'm  wondering if I will need to replace the upper deck cannons/carreges too. I do want it to be uniform (both quality and wood color) and I think it would bother me if the cannons/carrages looked different on these decks.  I did realize how off the gun carrages are in the kit compared to the plans in the book. 

Slowly, but surely, I am realizing how different these kits are from the actual ships.

While I'm  waiting for the wood, I realized the laser cut stern part is shapped too differently than the kit plans, the book plans, and dry fitting it to the keel.  The kit shows it will butt up against the keel directly and not onto the hull planks.  I want to make another one from scratch but have a few small questions.   Should I make it with 1 piece of wood, or try to cut out the individual sections like the book plans show for a little sense of realism?  Lastly, how do you create the elongaded holes in the stern (where the #27 is)? 

I know my build is really slow, but it should pick up some once I recieve the deck planks.  Once I have that, I will be able to finally start to build the middle deck!

Thanks for reading!!!

Jeff

I'm not entirely sure what to do about the ends of this middle deck.  I don't want any ply to show, but not sure what would be the best solution.

The markings on the edges of the deck portray the gunports. I marked them now so I could see where they would be placed and if they will hit any of the frames that I need to make. 

This is where part of my problen lies. As you can see, the last gunports on both sides are very close to the frame. Should I build a wall on the frames next to the laat gunports? Should I cut out more of the frames so the cannon has more space between? Should I say, "HECK WITH IT!!!!" And mow down the rest of the frames and fully model the middle deck? I swear, it feels like once you have done some scrarch building, it's hard to stop! I dont need the model to be 100% accurate, but placing a wall right after the last marked gunports doesn't feel right to me.

I plan on planking only half of the upper deck (but adding the deck beams, ect ) so you can see through to the middle deck.

Any opinions would be very welcome!

Jeff

2 hours ago, ca.shipwright said:

With all the apple orchards in Virginia, you should be able to score some free wood and mill it yourself if you have the proper tools

That is a great idea! We live close to some apple orchards actually.   I could go by and ask! I never thought of that before.  I might also get some cherry soon and see how it looks.

2 hours ago, Tigersteve said:

Wood project source is very good also

Thanks Steve!  I checked out their site and was able to order some boxwood!

I had to order strips for deck planking because if I used the supplied kit strips,  I know I would run out before I was done. 

I finally was able to add the hatches and stair sections to the middle deck (minus the gratings I will add those in a bit). I used the book plans for the placement, size,  and thickness of the wood.   I think it turned out better than when I did this for the upper deck.   Next up, is either to plank this deck, or cut out the side frames and glue them on.  I'm leaning more towards finishing the frames first and then plank. 

Jeff 

On 9/2/2017 at 3:53 PM, Dan Vad said:

Check out Crown Timberyard, one of MSW's sponsors on the main page, for the timber.

I looked at Crown Timberyard, and it is a really nice site! The only issue I have is that the store always says it's under maintenance and I haven't heard back from trying to contact them.  I would like to check their prices, but since I can't add anything to my cart, I can't tell how much I will have to spend on the materials.  I see that there are other wood suppliers that are MSW's sponsors, so I might have to look there.  

Thanks you guys for the comments! It made my day reading them!

Dan, question for you.  I really like the idea of adding the deck beams, carlings, and ledges to the upper deck! I have the plans so I'm good with what I need to build.  My question is, what's the normal wood used to build those pieces? I've looked around, but couldn't figure out what wood I should use. That step is farther out in the build,  but I woukd like to get the supplies.

Thanks!!

Jeff 

Thanks everyone for your comments and support!  Its really helpful for me and keeps me wanting to do better!

Its been a little while,  but I have been thinking a lot about this. After the upper deck got damaged, I took a hard look at it and felt I could do better.  Like you guys said, it's wood, so it can be fixed!

So, I took the rest of it off.  This allowed me to then make another decision: to move the main mast to the correct positon based upon the plans in the book, not the kit!  Not only that, I noticed that the stairs going down to the middle deck never looked that good because if you would have looked down to it, you would see the sides of the plywood frames.  So I decides to fix that too:

At this point, I really felt like Dr Frankenstein!  So really, I realized I just have undone pretty much everything. But I think that  if I can pull this off, it will end up much better.

Bear with me! (I must be crazy at this point) Sawing off more of the frames allowed me to:

1) More easily move the main mast

2) Plank a good portion of the middle deck

3) Put in the hatches, doors, and build more cannons for the middle deck among other things.

4) Allow me to half-plank the upper deck so you can see into the middle deck

Ect...

The first thing to do was to re-position the main mast. I took a lot of measurements from the book and triple checked the position. I removed the false keel section and bracers and replaced them:

Then I marked and drilled the new mast hole.

Next, I needed to create the middle deck. I went to the local craft shop and got 2 basswood sheets for this task:

I also marked out the important bits like the hatches, stairs, etc. I will put in more detail later as I get closer to actually planking the deck.

Finally, tonight, I was satisfied with it and glued the right side:

Tomorrow, I will finish up the left side and glue that on too.

WHEW! I know I'm not going to make the next set of stairs down to the lower deck because I think I'm doing enough modifications already, and I don't feel like cutting up anymore of the frames and things.

Lastly, you might have noticed I also cut off the side of the frames too (the bits of the frames that cover the middle deck upwards). Before I did that, I made sure that I had kept the laser cut ply leftover board where the frames came out of. Im tracing them to the correct curve and will place them back on the model AFTER I sand down most of the hull for planking. I don't want to place them on and accidentally break them off during the fileing/sanding.

Well, thats a lot and it required much thinking, debating, and a whole LOT of measuring! But hopefully, in the end,  a better model will come out of it. 

Thanks for all your support!

Jeff

Thanks everyone for the nice encouraging comments! They have inspired me to sit down and think about what I want to get out of this model.  I took a few days off to relax and think about what I want to do and how I want to fix it.  I think I came up with a solution that, I hope, will actually work out better in the end.  It will require more effort, time, and materials, but if it goes well, will result in a better outcome than what I had completed before the insident.

 I am not deterred and will continue on! I might not post much for a week or so because I'll be busy with figuring out how I want to proceed.

Jeff

13 minutes ago, RichardG said:

I'm really sorry to see this.

 

May I suggest you take a break and come back to it in a while. Please don't do anything rash.

 

All the best,

Richard.

 

 

You are right. I won't do anything rash. I tripped while holding it and fell over hard.  It broke my fall, but it broke like this too.

Im ok, but have some scrapes because of the wood. Ouch!

Jeff

Well, this is a really sad day. My birthday was today and this happens:

The deck is destroyed, parts of the bulkhead were torn off, a hole in one of the hatches, and part of the ply piece where the gun ports stick from is torn off...

This is a nightmare come true!!!!! 

I'm not sure where to go from here. My heart is broken right now...

Jeff

Very impressive!  It lools great!

I have done some work on the hatches.  Im thinking of adding 1 hatch to the left of the main mast as shown in the book but not in the kit.

I have painted the deck floor black where the gratings will be. I need to also build the stairs as well.

Jeff

I was currently making the coamings and grille combs for the second deck, but then I took a look at where the main mast was positioned on the model. Looking at the plans, the main mast position looked a little too close to the edge of the deck. I then referened the book Anatomy Of The Ship The 100-Gun Ship Victory by John McKay.  After  some calculations, I realized how different the kit is to the real ship.

The masts arent positioned correctly, the stairs are in the wrong spot, a ton of details are missing or looked over (this i more understand because it is a kit), ect ect ect.  It was sorta a revelation as to how much detail and accuracy is missing from the kit.  It made me question if I should modify the kit to correct the more obvious bigger differences or just leave them how the kit had it planned out.

I havent decided what to do. I would be curious what others have done!

Jeff