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Well there are no close-ups of the deck, but in the following shots you can see the blotchiness....Not happy with it, but I'm not exactly sure what can be done, and I know it will be covered up will all kinds of detritus to distract the eye....onwards, then, armed for the future with the insight not to do this again! In other news, I've spent a couple of days just focusing on fairing the hull and working out the installation of the long single-piece bulwarks. It's quite tricky to install these, but they were not nearly as finicky as the ones I installed on the Pinky. In the end, I think they went on well - I took quite a bit of time to get the symmetry right... Anyway, here are the photos - hope you're all doing well hamilton
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Thanks Harlequin - whenever you're ready! Looking forward to seeing more of the Bellona hamilton
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Love the Diana - hope to build this, too one day. Looking forward to your build hamilton
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Thanks Bob, BE, Rich and Augie: I've now finished planking the deck, but I'm too embarrassed to show it.....I added nibbing to the deck planks at the bow and this worked out fine. But because of the size difference between the bow & stern margin planks (3/64") and the middle ones both port & starboard & the deck planking (1/32"), I had to sand the thicker ones flush. I thought (mistakenly) that using a heavy grain sandpaper (80) would be the best approach to getting rid of the excess wood. But when happened was that it left all kinds of unsightly scratch marks on the deck planks - almost like someone keyed my deck...no amount of sanding with lighter grain sandpaper worked to get rid of these..... Then there was the staining....I decided to lightly stain the deck with Minwax golden oak, slightly diluted. I did this with my Glad Tidings and I was really happy with the results. However this time it turned out quite blotchy - only later did I read (somewhere on this forum) about applying wood conditioner before staining and now I'm kicking myself.... I'm sure it will be fine after all the deck fixtures are installed, but at present it is quite unsightly.....I may post some photos later as a warning to those who dive into such things heedlessly......for now, I'll sign off hamilton
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This is a really ambitious project! Looking forward to watching it come together - will you be able to get it out of the workshop when it's done? hamilton
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A bit of progress on Fair Rosamund: The deck - came in the same rather disappointing ply as the bulkheads - kind of fuzzy and messy, but a little more solid. Had to fix the bulkhead extension slots to fit the framework - no big deal. Marked the deck up for planking (centre line & positions for the deck planks. Here are some photos Margin planks - not featured as part of the kit - I borrowed this feature from Meredith, who included them on his build. I may have cut mine a little wide, but they'll eventually be partly thinned by the inboard bulwark planking. I guessed at a measurement of 7mm by looking at Meredith's build log and judging the width of his margins relative to the sub-deck. I decided to make the margins in 4 sections, scarfed together. I made templates using bristol paper and transferred these onto 10mm x 3/64mm lime - unfortunately I only had enough of this material for the first 2 planks port and starboard and the plank across the stern....my local wood supplier only had 1/32 or 1/16" sheets, so the last 2 planks on both sides are 1/32 - eventually I'll sand the others down to match. Here again are some photos of the process - the same process was used for each of the margin planks Next steps - fairing the frames & deck planking/finishing - fun times ahead! hamilton
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It means "personal message" - it's like a private email sent directly to a forum member - you can send a PM by clicking on your own user name at the top of the page (in the blue banner) where you'll see an option called "personal messenger" - or if you scroll over or click another users name, you will see an option to "send message". This is a much more secure way to share information with other users that you might not want floating around.... hamilton
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Well it seems I'll have to give it some thought. I added treenails to my 1:25 scale Glad Tidings pinky schooner, but at that scale they looked appropriate. At 1:53 (a little smaller than 1/4) it might not be doable. I certainly want to avoid a pock marked deck....at the same time, if I can fashion a small enough treenail and if, once the deck is finished, they blend in well, I may go for it....I'll probably do a series of tests before finalising the decision anyway. Thanks all for the input and for the nice photos! hamilton
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Hi Russ: Thanks for the response, but this doesn't really solve my issue - are you saying there are no trunnels (or treenails) visible anywhere on deck or that the scarfs should be trunnelled the same way as the joints between the deck planks? Sorry if I'm being thick - I've just seen many modellers adding treenails to their decks.... hamilton
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The coppering looks great! A lot of painstaking work but it really pays off in the finished look. Well done hamilton
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Hi there: I'm installing a margin plank in several sections, scarfed together. My question is whether there would have been visible trunnels at the scarf joints on the margin plank and if so, how they would be arranged. This is for the Fair Rosamund, 1831... Thanks in advance! hamilton
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hamilton replied to hamilton's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Alright thanks all!! Since I've already done that with the support strips, I think I'll just fill the notches in and plank as usual....thanks again! hamilton -
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hamilton replied to hamilton's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Hi Pompey: This is the best shot I have - you can see the notches at the turn of the bilge..... hamilton
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Thanks Casey and Meredith: Casey -- you may be right -- I used small strips between the bulkheads so the long strip in the notches might be redundant.... Meredith -- I hope all is well with you. I really admire your build and will likely imitate some of its features (the margin plank on the deck, for example). The ply IS awful, yes! Probably the poorest quality I've worked with so far. On the up side, this came in handy when I was attaching the deck last night - the ply was so soft, that small straight pins went into it with very little effort! Now that the deck is installed, the bowing in the centre keel has been completely corrected. Bye for now hamilton
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Hi there: Not sure if I've titled this thread correctly, but...... I'm building the OcCre Dos Amigos and am curious about others' experience of a peculiar feature of the planking of this model - perhaps other OcCre kits have a similar feature. A series of notches is cut into the bulkhead edges. A 4mm x 2mm strip is laid into these notches that acts (presumably) to section off the hull for planking.... I'm tempted to fill in the notches and just plank as usual, since this "baseline" plank would, I believe, lay beneath the first row of planking and serve as little more than a visual & measuring aid. But if there are advantages to this system that I'm unaware of I'd love to hear about them. Thanks in advance! hamilton
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Well I'm now back from my trip and back to the bench. Tonight I installed the bulkheads along with some reinforcing strips, cut to measure between each bulkhead. In conjunction with the building board, this has served to straighten (mostly) the warped keep. There is still a very minor bend towards the stern, but this will be corrected when I install the deck. So far so good.... If any of you have built an OcCre kit, have you come across this strange feature - a set of notches cut into the edges of the bulwarks into which is placed a rather thick (2mm) plank that runs the full length of the hull and acts to bifurcate the hull for planking? It seems a little redundant and I'm considering filling in the notches and just planking as usual....of course part of me is curious as to whether this feature has any benefits, so I might try it - thought I'd canvas you all for comments....I may post the question elsewhere in the forum..... In the meantime, here are some pictures hamilton
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Thanks Crackers once again for even more interesting historical information! This is very illuminating. hamilton
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I've only build 1 mamoli kit so far - the Gretel - though I have another (Yacht America) on the shelf. I recall having to make a lot of adjustments to the bulkheads on the gretel to get a fair run of planks on the hull - their CNC parts were made of decent ply, but as I say they were not entirely accurate. I replaced almost all of the cast metal parts with scratch-built wooden ones, but this is a matter of taste, really. The wood supplied with the Gretel (and from what I can see the America, too) is very high quality - and I imagine that this is consistent with a higher end kit like the Surprise. I see from your signature that you've got the MS Syren on the shelf - this is a very fine kit (I've got it too), though not much variety in the wood. Mamoli supplies more exotic woods, but suffers in the instructions/plans department. The Syren plans are far and away better than anything I've seen from Mamoli (as is generally the case with Model Shipways), and obviously Chuck's practicum is a much better user-guide than what is supplied with most kits from any manufacturer. The Gretel and America are both rather simple rigs, so the plans were adequate as far as that goes, and most of the rest you can kind of feel out. There are a lot of isomorphic drawings with measurements included rather than scale plans. Others could say more I'm sure. Good luck hamilton
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Thanks Crackers! I knew about the lady in the painting and about the ship, but didn't put the two together! And the Portsmouth connection is nice to have, too - at least it explains why OcCre included an American flag with the model! Though I don't think she would have flown an American flag in her slaving days (since the other sources I've seen say either Brazil or Cuba)...... hamilton
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Thanks Bob - just popped by your Essex log - she's looking great! Haven't done much on FR these last days - just working the sub-deck a little to get it to fit on the bulkheads and planning ahead for deck planking...hopefully I'll have a chance to install the bulkheads and deck this week. I'm heading to Italy on Friday - a bit of work, a bit of pleasure. And then I'll have much to make up for with the Admiral when I return.....back soon hamilton
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Your work is great - I built the 1:100 Amati Bluenose a while back and have often been tempted to try this larger one - such a beautiful hull! You're doing her great justice here hamilton
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She's looking amazing, Bob! Very impressive work - I just read your comment on Alistair's Pegasus log and now I can see where you were coming from! hamilton
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Hi John: I built the Kate Cory a few years ago and had a lot of fun doing it. She builds up into a really nice model - that was before I joined MSW but I took some photos of the process - if you need some references for particular parts of the build just let me know and I'll gladly share if I've got what you need. Good luck hamilton
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