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I could get those cut for you Rob, and send it afterwards but im affraid It is probably fool idea as I assume custom and post would cost more that cutting / as cutting would cost approx 20 bucks.

Rob Richard just a quick update I got message that my bulkheads have been cut and already shipped so on the way to me. I am more than happy that i was able to communicate and accomodate with them last important bow adjustment though. now fingers crossed

exactly as you say, they have dramatic efect lets say just stem shape being such profound line where entire planking rise from etc...yes ouer one it is.

Iwoudl say we are there Richard. I leveled photo and saised 90 degrees line along the columns and windows to make sure i have wasterlevel straight or better that workers erected buildings vertically and than I re /placed our bow to the 1907 glory. looks there....there is missing wood on spray rail so we have that angle there to the right..otherwise it matches ....I dont see where are we heading but I am almost scared to get better result that what we got here

This is such important thing to have cler idea of color perspective. it is always danger to step too far and from beautiful model one can end up in "circus". everything speaks of possibility - windows frames shouts - color me...so i stand out...etc....In the color thrill I did paint captain cabin light blue but it became so prominent that now i am thankful half of it woudnt be seen and covered by planks ...from most desirable room that i thought how to leave it open i now think how the most of it to cover so i can hide it....it is important to establish firm color eprpective and strategy and at least try subtly before final decision. its good to have entire plan at least and stick to it or change slowly. i like experimenting and there is the danger... I told myself from the start that I will follow Greenwich protoype Chuck is showing from time to time being toned very warm light honey. that model which is POF half naked. from the outside everything allright. Chucks color perception is high and right here. Beautiful light yellow body and deck provides place to color some details to be highlighted not sticking more and more colors or or 4 th color that would break apart the harmony of the whole. So now to even the mistake i am firmly set on not coloring beams red even on sides at all leaving it same as hull - as on my prototype, and thankfully front side of cabin cabinetry that sill go will be also subtle as hull or deck. so only capitain cabin sill stay different. columns will be white not red as on prototype and that will make nice contract on pear wood deck and black rails. i will leave capstans wither natural or red. but its true less is more. apology to speak of this on Chucks prototype but Chuck will agree coloring is so important part it can ruin all efort of otherwise pretty model. ...or enhance...

astonishing. just part of fun accidentally i lifted red line properly and neared it ....voila... i was stunned. it pretty much follows it precisely. so we can say its fish line ....i would never say that with so little tweak and closer look...I think this is groundbreaking .a milestone. he may have designed bow off fish

@Rob, I will make corrections to centerline of bow part and send it to you afterwards....

or almost exact following red line from cutwater up to the hood...... but i believe previous change is truer observig that photo. cutwater to hawsehole line is gentler and just slightly curved towards end like at first pic....this seciond is curvy in all profile that is already off....id say still..change is quite dramatic to previous i must agree with Rich very rough uncohesive curve and unpleasant line..

how about now ? blue main line definig it changed quite grossly in respect of red line....awkwardness removed

Richard, it was excellent idea of you to make comparison to this photo ! as I was a bit hesitant to jump on twisting fish curvature adapting it to glory, even measurements might give same ratio...on my draw is does not look doable at all because i would not keep 250 to 265 at all with it...so i conclude two things...either entire proportions and drawing is plain wrong - which it isnt, being based and cemented on given measured - as these fish angling of bow are so severe - it would look either stern would look Weirdly odd sort or long....or stem will be angled to 70 percent which would be simply wrong. ...... I know you lean from beginning towards more and more aggressive bow, but in a good sense i mean it positively, I am suggesting one assumption as we speak from the begginig. what if it is McKays and eye deception that drives us towards that aggressive curvature and McKay even most cleverly composed and adapted Fish curvature to the glory the way that everybody can see that aggressive curvy bow but he made it as overall feel and look will be fish bow and stem itself is definitely quite erect.,.....I am about to demonstrate this by pictures... and lines..... observing McKays bows, ornamental hood leading into figurehead is somewhat different and bigger that he used to make..... I tried to attach FIsh curvature following stem curvature along from the bobstay chain fastening at stem, and look what shockingly (for me ) happened....overall profile of fish bow curvature elegantly continued up to the tip of navalhood ending at the head of figurehead making exactly one thing. ....Imagine glory existed. ........ if you seen it far away or under spells of sunglight you would see bow shape of flying fish even if it wasnt it....same as we see on the BW picture you posted her....This is merely speculation, but what if he so cleverly deceived everyone such master way that he amde it intentional and made it this way -took fish curvature first as the line and from there he followed back or rear-wise from that point back he drew hood and undergoing and finally made line of stem which is entirely different....??? can be pure fantasy but it has sense in it hasnt it ? now the pictures, please follow red line which is FISH bow, i diminished it a little as it was smaller ship but nevertheless curvature above waterlevel stays true... than I tried to fool your eyes same way as photography - or McKay if he made it intentionally.....i hid red line and substituted it by green keeping original line of FIDH with outer body of Glory in the picture / if you didnt know that it is same profile as flying fish you woulddnt know / but for that matter you always seen agressive fish bow in glory I guess because it is there ... but I assume not in stem design which is oppposite - different, but in overall shape including hoods so based on various line comparison I dared making such speculative proposition based on observation of photos , not backed by McKay previous designs etc... what do you think about this thinking guys ? could it be possible ? than I modified shape of curvature of stem from waterlevel up to the first ornamental block...to copy fish curvature ...

Rich, this is that exact line of flying fish bow from #510 compared to glory... looks like this...its s shape is pronounced on both sides ...

Rob, yes that one line of the stern went out broken for me as well. i dont know why it dissapeared though i have difficulty to restore it . but i needed break from computer so i dont intend to return to it for some time. i spent way too many evenings with her neglecting other life things so i have to make it up now. Rob at the end it does not matter how it is cut. it does not make any real difference. i did cut 2 models previously myself 1:24 cutty sark was giant project to saw i did it by hands. enjoyed it. sou will have it probably sooner than I as you add those in one piece planks so Im excited for that as well. yes I intend to follow completely model shipways building design which will be enormous help as I have entire 6 sheets fish plan at home . well only method. V.

Folks, fyi im having bulkheads of actual state of effort cut in 1:72 scale. I still consider it merely as test but if it turn out fine i will probably continue planking so i can see the outcome of effort. I think it can be valuable to have finally 3D version of where are we now finally seen even in bulkhead and sheer plone state for visual perspective imaginary but specially when it is planked to make solid 3D shape. I cant wait having those arrived to see how drawing turns up. and i would post the pics of course. if all goes well i wont start before autumn though as i dont model thru summer. then i Intend seamlessly continue with program drawing deckhouses and deck stuff and so i can have those pieces laser cut as well. i intend to build her with best materials available to my liking and ability, boxwood included dfor molding and deckhousesand decorations...so here goes my preliminary plan. with meticulous approach as aou folks set as standard here it seems to me it will cover more than three years for me to get her rigged. ouch. V.

Few little updates on winnie. My first proper grating. A lot to be desired but learning the craft.i put more glue than should so i had to remove it afterward. Point is to sand stick just so they fit snuggly. I hope next 3 remaining will be better. I was so happy after sanding.one square fell of I have to insert some square. ...i really like those small masts platforms. Few sanding and from simple piece of wood there is nice joinery. And yes great cabin there is....all in her carulean ...well ...sort of. Point is. I prefer Chucks natural color of wood ...reason of painting. ? Simply to mask some bad sanding of transome. So there is nothing to be proud of . But. Even learing to paint is part of craft. and finally... I must say the chaptwr 4 is pretty difficult but so interesting. learning to work with small instruments and not to spit glue over as after cannot be painted.. Planking will wait few months and then chapter 5 and leisurily enjoying Chucks progress for autumn shopping.

Thank goodness for Chucks stopping making ropes !

very nice.

lovely Matt. i see you opted for squarish design. they are now ahead of me i am a bit scared though that i will messup . will see ...:)

I really enjoy your progress George.

Watching Chuck ahead chapters is like getting another chapter package for free. so enjoyable.

Thanks yes, i find their design best so far ive seen for clippers as it allows to install proper timberheads up on waterway and from ther rail also topgallant one. most authentic possible i woudl say on POB.

Thanks Rob, the beauty of it is that it is scaled by percentage..... variable. I created it in 1:20 measuring relative to 1:1 huge. but no matter what program or simple picture viewer you open the bulkheads you can just adjust viewing percentage and voila you get scale you wish.......you need to know one reference scale only ....in 26 percent opened size it is 1/72 depending on where you measure the beam..... / widest point around middle=18.8 cm beam in 26 per cent opening =44 ft in 1.1 opening and viewing at 19 per cent = 1:96 if you measure at the bulkheads exactly 14 cm... 19.5 per cent opened (but there needs to be program to count in half = 1:96 measured beam at widest - 20 per cent would be close but slightly more than 44 ft. also all related pages are made in one program so it is all simply related.... same applied to centerbulkheads....just make sure you have it opened in same percentage size as bulkheads....its same measure.... same for ornaments page.... here you can see i finally managed to finish all bulkheads curved them and lowered as waterway to be installed up is included... I copied all exact design of built exactly after model shipways flying fish....it was painstaking work . just remember I diminished watterway for model making puropse by 2 mm. so instead of 8 mm in 1/72 it would be 5 mm waterway... this is how they turned out. we can see and feel the shape already...

Rob, Richard, folks, i rely on your measures for sure, but i work differently as i dont have knowledge of your caliber... by comparing distances. i measured mold to mold and it gives roughly 2x distance to copperline at 25ft for sure. photo is black but we can see approx tip of rudder going to rudder hole,,, tjhat is mold to mold plus a bit i had measured it but forgot the numbers.... I can tell you folks, this is only inches discrepancies you play here....I looked at the draw again......there is no place to labor excessively as main numbers doesnt allow to.....as LBP is provided and LOA is provided....you can either literary CUT OFF tip of bow if you want longer sleeker stern, or you can do vice versa if you want agressive bow and shorter stern. nothing else can be moved....... yes can.....instead of 84 degrees stem angle we can go 86..... or at back stern stem we can go from vertical to little leaning downwards....as we excluded these un Mckayish things.....i believe shape is pretty much established.....and I can quite comfortly have bulkheads cut.... i measured all over thoroughly and tried to update stern and again measured bulwark heights and sheers watterway, depyth of hold......according last number provided. I included planking exceeding behind sheer line mold as welll....I will now post pics with numbers... speaks for itself...... i measured bulwark again which gave me 6.12 FT.... to obtain 250 ft between perpendiculars.... and 265 overall, I shortened a tiny bit of forward tip to be less aggressive and used comparing distances measures so stern is now again different than before..... what you say about stern shape now folks ? there is final pic as last one..... @ Rob, I can send you folks bulkheads templates for the boat, but first i want to check them myself in hand to check i drew them correctly...as I suppose this is testing phase for me please underthand that I will never match your precision, truth be told im quite thankfull that Richard is kicking me into more precision... as it helps it to shape it better but I would say at this point. I dont think it someone would shape her differently placing all the shapes and measures at this point..... first picture shows new more shallow angle of bottom of stern and original Michaels stern.... i can redone tip to more agressiveness forward as we had it before but i have to go back to more dull stern it makes.... 2 FT at the back or at the tip of forward rail....quite a lot to consider.... hope make sense thanks V.

this is fascinating . seeing plan drawn by McKay himself - i was about to think from photo itself that rail seem to be angled...so it is confirmed though... i cant keep up with you folks, i didnt have time lately hopefully around weekend i will ne able to sit behind the desk. ...also with bulwarks, there is ton of stuff i have to measure remeasure....again. one question to ask folks, where is beam to be measured? at the widest part of hull - underwater included? at that would be widest though...thank you. V.

wooow what a beautiful closeup photos of stern woohoo.

Thank you Jean,...... good news for you, > check amazon.de. they have a few in stock. seems easy to get even in europe V.