Vladimir_Wairoa
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Rob, Richard, I wil try to lift stern this evening to 2 FT from 1 we did last time to see how stern apears after ive done it. i will post once done. i smell some good outcome cant wait to have hooray day so i can have the bulkheads cut . one note from me im definitely not going to mak 3D model Rob, i tried to fool ot somehow in cad program but for determining Z axis there are calculations needed or whole work to be done in3D program instead of 2 D. i am not up to that. just fyi.- 3,560 replies
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Im pleased you like nameplte board Richard, im pretty satisfied how it turned out myself. You guys feel free to criticise or correct any lines or whatever remark, I would be happy... you could also draw Richard Rob Druxey or Whoever, you have artistic eyes and hands, sure there are is a few of free thoughts and freelines in lower acanthus leafs ornament that should be corrected though and it would be okey doke. one thing for sure i dont know how we could manage to alive that gorgeous statue but im sure i wont bother even trying to draw her. i think native american heritage souls and hands must recreate her !
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Hello All, I am adding here a plastic revel kit as I promised Bruma to post it here. This was just 2 weekends work as I used wooden leftovers from another build. I had kit left in cellar somewhere and motivated by Bruma teasing that rigging 1:96 its fun. and his fantastic sails but also very beautiful Robs Wiederrich paper sails I thought I could rig here sometime in the distant future. I basically scraped some plastic rails... as looked toyish to me, and substituted by boxwood and alaskan cedar. Hatched covers etc...I improved inner rail with original pattern by inserting paper strips... I am terrible in painting so I left cabins original and installed fantastic wooden deck from his model company. I dont intent to continue in some time now, as I have hands full...i exhanged decoration with etched one, and reinforced lower masts properly and thats it. I hope to continue but in distant future for sure....
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Bruma! i never ever seen more beautiful sails! they are just astoundigly realistic. when you advised me dry brush last year i knew you are a treasure but this is just amazing. clapping hands! your humbleness is unwanted you really are master of the craft ! Thanks for cook recipe for the sails indeed.
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very very beautiful built George. im following on this with interest & inspiration.
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Thank Rob, you have full right to nitpick everything Rob, I wanted to show ornament....its new risen sheer from yesterday...its just yet not risen rest to it properly....of course it links up....
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its noted. yes I would say as well that its more than 1 foot along such longitude... even from the bulkheads rise can be seen that Michaels 2.6.. 2.7 rise is very shallow and smooth... rising steadily towards stern......we have to keep in mind quite extential moving also comprises other aspects and shapes sometimes unwanted direction....as if we move one proportion and only one, it will deform other one... .anyway we got show here again so I have still plenty to do meanwhile around ornamentation drawings as curves must be closed for laser. lets settle this issue for a bit in minds...longtime work cases eyestrain is an issue for me so i will slow down a bit here....screen is an enemy ...:) so i will take few days off from her. V.
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No worries Richard, Im not going to do do bulkheads recalculation untill we set firmly on this one - as it is very slow process I have to adjust each one and i wouldnt like to do it twice for sure Meanwhile seems like all lines messed up so i am driving myself nuts anyway thankfully im backuping at least each fresh one so far.... i reshaped stern but it doesnt look that perfect to be honest unless I move sternpos downward to the ship....21 would do it to be honest. . I reshaped stern as I took previous one. I think much better now.... V.
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same here Rusty. i am tor lbut leaning towards knees. i always wanted to have them on model.
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Im happy to hear upper deck will be partially opened. caant wait to see that chapter. will be marvel with those beams. oh today got a note that parcel is at custom so it took something more than 3 weeks. cant wait to see it. parts 4&5. terrific. by the way Chuck, I didnt see figureheads in store for some time do i have those order somewhat separately? not in a hurry i have time though. Thank you.
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at least some amazing news , we are pretty much there Rob and that measurement wasnt even taken into account.... - resulted out itself . means your calculations and proportioning as whole guys pay handsomely off... your assesment seems spot on...
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Thank you Rob. I must add lowering stern pretty much destroyed elegant shape of stern we had as it proportionally moved down it shortened main line coming up from rudder and now i would say it loogs ugly to me... i m working to reconstruct it somehow to the same proportions accordingly....angling sternpost downwards would sort it out as it would lenghten the line again but....we dont want that i guess...:)
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OK ive done lots today. i reconstructed sheer, basically turning it, so it maintained elegant line. it lowered at the aft sheer to total 1.3 FT its very slight but gradual move up, giving it about 19 taffrail to waterline now, and it upwarded also bow up giving it 24 something from watterline so i am pretty satified. I only need to add body vertical volume to 22 FT i think its without keel....and i think we have her....but I need these all changes now apl;y to bulkheads . that will do over weekend. thanks for checking. She appears completely changed now, her prow rising upwards a bit higher and stern buyoantly very slightly rises butjust a bit.... you can see on stanchions how much i lovered her butt. a lots of pics to follow...so you can see new sheer and process of it.... new sheer old upper new lower
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Meanwhile I corrected / proportioned postition and thickness of sheers on the wales proprerly against each other..., which also widened a bulwarks. .I took printscreen and positioned its relative to drawing.....I added two thin streams inside of sheer thicker moldings.....going along ...it looks a bit crowded from small view but thats how it is....
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i will play with measurements today first thanks for liking cutty, it is just photo etch, so not really my contribution there, and I must apologize folks, as seems I was measuring sheer wrongly before...i didnt note its deck line in relation to flatness of it...sorry for that. This is such learning process of naval fundamentals for me alongside research, so i am posting correct sheer measures now as well as bulwarks....measured at perpendiculars... though difference between fore and aft gives roughly nice 8' sheer...i assume its how the number is determined if not ill learn again.... stern sheer is 2.1 FT converting from inches. do you want me to lower it to 1 FT ? so it will be 1 FT above flat line at the end of stern...half of how is now.... that it would go to 9' difference...
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One more photo of glorys stern...bw with strong shade are good to show 2D image......interesting....even there is slight curve its i would say quite dramatic lean out from what was first almost circle . what unexpected journey. But this picture leaving all in the shade can alarm us wrongly that her stern is massive...we know from other photos how slim and elegant is as I put yellow line behind sushine all aftwards is going inward ...
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beautiful sketch your artistic hands shows. I will say its pretty much as I incorporated it in 2 D profile draw. I would say guys we need to remember that 2D profile picture is just FLAT sight and for human eyes is pretty dull and boring as we are used to acceept percept and visualize automatically in 3 D. even yourdraw is 3 D shape but showing that outlining share that I observed there and tried to compose it myself. 2 D flat profile will never ever look like 3 D and..... we all are used to see that simple round stern of clippers but those pictures and photographs are almost all taken from distance / where those outlining molding dissapear and it looks like round.....I remember this when cosntructing cutty sark... all we are doing is closest look work like those carpenters were standig one meter close to her planks. I would say they didnt see round stern at all the plate (wooden ) or area where you have name glory is pretty much flat for sure . its visible also in famous photo at the beach where she is dragged up to the shore before she is burnt.... i will try to demnostrate it on small cutty model I have. if we look from very near we can see straight flat profiled line from rudder up...2D. and it is indeed straight....but we see round from far away . how come ? because 2D and 3 D deception plays role here ...as we move back , our brain is able to calculate surrounding round and curved planks around that created even more round feel than it is. and not to forget, moldings that pretty make it look almost squarishly proportioned dissapear from far and dissapearance help to our eyes to form round cohesive object......kind of not broken with disturbance of molding which apear uncomfortly BIG from near and disappear from far...so our brain is not focused on disturbing detail which breaks apart lovely round feel.......but eyes automatically embrace whole shape....
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There is still more work needed Rob i agree. it needs to be lowered as whole i hope it will show differently. thanks a lto for remark. V.
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Very interesting comments Richard thanks. I myself was playing with idea that it even leans inwards from that photo but i am not sure i would dare going that direction as we dont know exact angle. this is not definite as i am toing to lower the stern still a bit more. i would say that angle is even steeper than this as stern will sit down a bit . ... yes i noticed those small strips around i will add them. regarding stanchions. those are just figurative atm their thickness noe shape aaprt of height iwas calculated ...i will try to create exact match later. V.
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I think this is a lot better. There is just tiny slight move into curve line and it looks way different from nearpoint and from the far. From the closeup all main longest line from the rudder up looks even vertical from closeup look, quite round from very far....try to look at these draws from both perspectives, near and far...its strange how different isnt it? one most inportant thing. all the photos of stern are taken from various perpectives....so we can only assume two most importantlongest lines shaping it . corelation and position of those two is most important to give fundamental shape..... so we can for sure say few things i guess. monkey rail part is vertical . and at the moldings meetup, shapes are starting their new way towards other linkup...all together create a shape. We can also fay for sure that sheer segment (where name of the ship sits we is not curvy at all but its straight under certain angle.....and this is part of the charm...position of it in regards to lower long line creates that curve plus monkey rail being straingt up turining it brutally but on small length...! you can see I drew almost NO curve with both longest lines - almost vertical... and its position towards each other with otherw forms nice curvy stern....i would say farer it is curvier it is.and nearer we see woodworking deatailing where moldings sit...differently. i think its heading to far more realistic outcome than this first simple round below.,..... and that its enough for today from me. looks like a lot been done again from all. eager to know how you see it. v.
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I am seeing more complex shape than simple curve....something like this... which at the end evoke round stern as described to the sight taking to account curve below sheerstrake with line above it...with complexity of planking of sections around strakes it doesnt look like undisturbed curve even on cutty sark when looking pretty closely from the narpoint, which is precisely what we are trying to achieve here...
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Yes yes, and yes... I agree wholeheartedly regarding this. Im gonna change it and i know how now. This is much important segment to get right-close. There is defnitely not quarter circle curvature...thank you for pics. helps a lot indeed.
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