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  1. I thank my friends for their welcome appreciation,

     

    I continued laying the strips on the deck,

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    always widening the openings on the bridge, always checking the operation of the leds

     

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    leaving to finish the gunwale, which I will build when I have removed the frames

    preparing the openings for the grating

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    see you next time

  2. Once the guns were finished, I continued with the realization of the details present on the battery deck, another detail is the lever rudder that is maneuvered by the helmsman in the appropriate housing, which is a raised floor above the battery deck, the rudder is formed by two rods joined by two metal pieces at the end that stopped at the rudder rod allowed it to be maneuvered, I made the rudder and rods, later I will have to make the mechanism (the joint) that allows you to "distribute" the maneuvers to the rudder being locked on the base where the helmsman is.

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    To place the rods and create the "visible" details from the openings of the cannon hatches, I have to continue to enlarge and mill the internal parts very close to the lighting system, risking to do considerable damage

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    I started to prepare the strips to make the bridge, (I will make boards of 6m with a width of 30 cm, reported in 1/60 scale, or strips of 10 cmx5mm wide,) for the essence I decided to use some elm, these are boards that I made 6/7 years ago so well seasoned, I cut a piece and I opened them with a band saw, (seasoned elm is hard as steel)

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    the next step will be to plan them to a thickness of 5mm and with the foot with the aluminum guide make the strips 5mm wide with a thickness of 0.8mm

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    while on the opening I carry the "beams" with some strips that I only need to support the part made to close and delimit the openings where I will make the grating delimiting them with the jaws

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    I begin to put the strips on by putting weights on them to keep them adherent to the plywood

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    this is the result, now I can start laying the deck battens

     

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    the next detail will be the realization of the grating, for now I conclude by wishing everyone a Happy 2021 that is better than 2020 !!!

     

     

     

     

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  3. Grazie per il vostro gradito apprezzamento,
    il lavoro prosegue nella realizzazione dei particolari delle pistole

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    le fasi di montaggio dei particolari

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    piano piano l'artiglieria è costruita
    ci sono ancora alcuni dettagli che realizzerò in seguito

    il regolatore del colpo

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    la brunitura dell'ottone e l'invecchiamento della carrozza

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    and the second base coat

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    the sixteen guns are almost ready

     

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    see you next time

    black Wolf

     

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  4. But before the openings on the sides and the final realization of the planking I decide to make the various accessories that were on the battery deck, I can only do it now, later I will have to "seal" the command deck and this will limit access to the parts under.

    I start with the construction of the cannons, these are 16 cannons that Sir Dudly with the renovations of 1600 will increase to 64, they are medieval cannons of the 1500 for which made in a more coarser way than the cannons of the 1700, for their construction I used the lathe and rummy like wood

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    to make the rods that are 36mm long I had to make some mini gouges

     

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    after finishing them I painted them with black water-based enamel

     

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    I started preparing the carriages (I also made falconets, but they don't satisfy me very much ...)

     

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    for the realization of the trolleys I used the "cherry"

     

     

     

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    as I said for their realization I rely on the English cannons of the 1700s, trying to make them more "coarse" in the processing of the cannon barrel, the melting technique of 1500 was different from the one that will be used later

     

    while the construction of the trunks, I presume that it has not had any obvious changes, I carry a drawing of a 1750 carriage and the shooting wedge with the indications of the "lift" for the shooting,

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    the shooting wedge

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    over the two maneuvers,
    I°_  horizontal direction shift

    II° _  in elevation

     

    see you next time

     

    luponero

     

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  5. Welcome Harvey,
    in the magical world of naval modeling, I see that you like canoes, I am attaching the image of an ancient canoe made with papyrus and dry straw used for fishing, they are still built in Sardinia, it is a primitive boat, thousands of old years and still alive in the ponds of Cabras and Mar'e Pontis are called "fassoni"

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    again, welcome

     

    luponero

  6.  

    I thank friends for their kind appreciation,
    as I said before starting over and finishing the planking I want to finish the details present in the battery deck, on the deck there are 14 guns, in the project the developer recommends the use of "truncated" barrels, a solution that I don't like, so I'll have to start with the construction of the guns and the opening of the gunsports, which follow the "curvature" of the bridge, in Italian they are called lozenge gunsport, that is the lower and upper horizontal side (the thresholds) of the sandbank were parallel to the deck plane while the uprights (vertical sides) were parallel to the ribs so that the shape of the hatch was "rhomboidal" called lozenge, in other situations always, always maintaining the "parallelism" with the bridge, those squares were used for ease of construction, however it was avoiding the "ladder" construction for obvious aesthetic reasons, especially in galleons or vessels with many guns, the SGB has 16 guns, two of which at the stern, so the sand "lozenge" does not affect much different thing I presume, in ships with a larger artillery equipment,
    pasting of explanatory images (hoping that the translation is understandable)

    I insert some drawings relating to the diamond-shaped sanding blocks which show the position of the sanding blocks with respect to the curvature of the bridge

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    but to work on the bridge setting it up with the details, I have to open the frames, the most complex part, working with the cutter near the wires of the lighting system is not easy, just "touch" a wire and the lighting risks not working

    With adhesive tape I protect the openings from the dust produced during processing

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    with the milling I start to widen / open the frames

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    after practicing the openings I check that the leds still work

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    has become a "paranoia !!!" 

     

    I prepare a template that will be used to make the openings on the side of the ship, windows, gunsports 

     

     

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    the red line made under the gunsports, serves to verify the one shown on the side that follows the curvature of the bridge, to open them in the right position

     

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    I carry over with adhesive tape the precise position of the gunsport openings and of the holes for water drainage (limber holes)

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    Openings that I will carry out, when I am, sure that I have finished all the work on the bridge

     

     

    see you next time

    black Wolf

  7.   "lusterklem" in English I don't know, in Italian translated it would be "clamp", in Tuscany it is also called "mammoth" but think about how language can change things, however it is that object where you attest to the electrical wires, but from the "lusterklem" to the switch where the batteries are, do you go outside?

     

     

    of course: beautiful creation !!!

     

    luponero

  8. Hi Patrick,
    I am very pleased that you have restarted with the work, which I follow with considerable interest !!! (very interested, given the constructive similarities with the SGB that I am making :stunned::imNotWorthy:)
    a question "on the fly" the wire that powers the LEDs you leave it visible outside? or do you foresee a different passage that makes it invisible?

     

    luponero

  9. In the meantime the switch for the leds arrived, the work continues with the polishing of the strips, I have to do this because I want to put the guns on the battery deck, the project involves the use of "truncated" barrels fixed on the special blocks of wood, a condition that I do not like, I prefer to make complete guns, allowing you to see the interiors from the open gun doors, to do this I will have to "remove" the internal frames, making future processing very difficult !!!

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    the "national" walnut is one of my favorite essences, I also had pear and apple trees both well seasoned, but once again the walnut won, as you can see the colors are very marked and in my opinion give a very "velvety look" "to the model, for now it has not been treated with any oil or paint, but even now the natural color appears to be very pleasant.

    This is the drawing relating to the detail of the bow where you can see the "grating" of the bridge and the part of the small bridge where the designer has brought back the part made with the "anti-slip" plate on other galleons of the period many times a "
    floorboard "in wood, but in this case perhaps the sheet metal allows to obtain a very reduced thickness which in the context appears more pleasant

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    Finished this particular continuous with the realization of the first planking going up from the keel towards the upper decks trying to structurally reinforce the model to cut and mill the frames, allowing the vision of the interiors from the doors and hatches of the guns, for which I made a dozen strips decreasing the width according to the height of the frames and the profile of the sides which have a very accentuated curvature, due to the considerable height of the formwork, but as soon as the bridge of the cutting is finished,

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    I tried to reinsert the small pieces of the 0,8mm birch plywood that would be the continuity of the battery deck or the upper deck of the housing that I had removed for the construction of the planking

     

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    and I realized, after having been part of the first planking, that the room for maneuver is "very small", and this will make it more complicated to set up the interiors and mill the frames to try to transform them into ribs without causing damage, especially to the LEDs .. . :default_wallbash:  the "easy" routes do not give the satisfaction as the "difficult" ones, let's hope so!

     

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    see you next time

    black Wolf

     

     

  10. Thanking you for the appreciations, I update the build with the processing phases, I continued in the realization of the planking by cutting a few strips

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    to easily fold the rib strips, I use an iron

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    taking care not to stretch the wires of the lighting system:D

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    the "red" staff is the drum bridge, a fundamental reference for the creation of gunports,

    the high and variable height of the sides of the galleon requires the creation of strips with a different height, so I choose another "national" walnut board 

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    I make a few strips, until I reach the cutwater, in this part there is a small bridge on which an anti-slip plate is placed, I thought that in a couple of hours I would have made it, I thought ...
    the "non-slip" slab should be metal resting on the deck and joists that are on the cut
    to make the anti-slip plate I used a brass plate that I welded along the edge in the center, I cut out the central part of the 1 mm plywood with which I had made the base of the bridge

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    once the supports have been completed, the brass plate is fixedIMG_20201102_180040_1.jpg.ad2d4977221d2a4e14cd392d2bdf21bc.jpg

     

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    checking that the leds still work!

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    the profile is finished,

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    for now everything is ok!

    see you next time

    black Wolf

     

  11. You're right Steven, Dudley's life is very fascinating as the "characteristics" that represent it, illegitimacy was one of the situations that prompted Sir Robert to change country, his stay in Livorno was fundamental both for him and for the city, as its constructions both in the architectural and nautical fields, as well as the restructuring of this model, I am carrying out the version prior to the restructuring of the ship that will take the name of "Livorno" as the city that hosted it.

    The preparation of the electrical system has caused some structural "changes" on the frames and various, I presume they are not finished yet. Unfortunately the mentality of taking only the "necessary" penalized me, that is, three flickering LEDs did not "light up", a couple for my fault another was defective, so I took back others, in practice the biggest expense is in shipping ... it was at the first let alone at the second ..
    however I decided to work on the model support, usually it is a piece that I do at the end, at least with the planking finished, but this time I decided to anticipate the times, because to bring the braid of the electrical system to the switch I have to switch from the support trying to make it as invisible as possible (we'll see ...)
    I have had a 1 cm thick mahogany board for a long time, it is not an essence that I use a lot, also because as a timber being very old it tends to chip in the cut and has lost its elasticity, so the use for the bases, I decided to make the one in the construction plans, which looks like a "fratina" (typical Tuscan dining table) with the typical joint on the tenon, once the wedge is removed it is disassembled, obviously it does not need to be glued, so I tried to make it by practicing a 4mm hole where there is the joint with the keel by inserting a copper tube into the hole in which the braid will pass that from the base (3cm) will then end at the switch always placed in the base outside the case (so I hope)

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    I have finally finished the structure of the i.e. at least I can start the planking which becomes a fundamental element because I want to work on the frames bringing them back to a shape similar to the rib (...) what to say this project is stressing me, the more I go ahead the more I notice the "shortcomings"
    the part relating to the bridges is a drama not only did the designer forget to draw them, but in the relative part of the drum bridge with the joints with the frames, (with missing areas) full it creates many problems, so much so that the use of the truncated barrels for the guns screwed to black-painted plugs to make them less visible ("half-rods" with wooden plugs to screw them which I always consider very ugly and unsightly, especially in a galleon that has few cannons ... probably the fact that there we are also the construction plans relating to the "Livorno" will have determined for the version of the SGB prior to the restoration carried out by Dudley that I am carrying out, a condition of "carelessness and superficiality". Even the stay of the master is another element to "deepen" , in the plans it is reported as indicated in the drawing resting on the formwork (condition to say the least "anomalous" and not very compliant given the resultant of the load that should To put several kg of the resulting tension on the support point, it would be useful to see if even in the "Livorno" the forestay passes by leaning on the bulwark, in short, I am not very convinced of the "truthfulness" so it is not the max,
    however we go ahead, the photo of the SGB with the phase and neutral connectors of i.e. (reminds me of the electrical system at home ...)

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    the stern frames and part of the keel in elevation will have to be removed, keeping the decks that can be opened to be able to mill, for this reason the planking will become a "holding" element a bit like in the triere, only that the sealing feature carried out by the tenon and mortise is made from the glue, distributed on the edge and from the few frames interested, let's hope well ...

     

    After the "special effects" some "old style" manual work, the planking,
    I made myself with the disc saw, a few walnut strips with a thickness of 1.5mm and a width of 6mm
    , a "width" that I usually do not use, I like the 4 / 5mm strip more, however the curves of the SGB are not very pronounced and then it is the first planking, the first strip was put on the edge of the bridge following the curvature, for the calculation of the strips I used the greater ordinate dividing by the width of the strips, the measurement of the ordinate: the support side of the strips, the measurement of the greater ordinate is 12 cm, so dividing the same for the width of the strips (6 mm) obtaining the quantity of the necessary strips: there are 20 (obviously the width of the strip is conditioned by the purpose of obtaining a precise quantity), each ordinate was measured and divided by 20 to determine how much it should be the width of the strips, obviously at the stern and bow ends the frames are much shorter, consequently the considerably smaller width goes from 6 mm on the main beam to 3mm on the frames of the stern and the at the bow, with intermediate width measurements on the adjacent frames, obviously always maintaining the usual 20 strips, the first batten flush with the bridge

     

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    the workbench (for now it's pretty clean, it doesn't happen often!)

     

     

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    the tapering of the strip is made on the basis of the "determined" widths and to avoid misalignments on the edges of the strips and for its entire length both on the upper and lower edge I have made a tapering inclined of about 45 ° to ensure that the edge of the the lower strip fits together with the upper one, on all the strips laid, maintaining a precise alignment, without "overhangs" obviously the inclination is not "perfectly continuous" to support the step on the edge on the belt scraper giving it the inclination to " eye ", after making the tapering of the width ,,,
    in addition to the edge I also passed the nails of the middle and index,
    I will do this pose only with the first planking, the second I will do it by putting the edges together without discarding them,

     

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    I will also change the width of the strips to ensure that the edges of the strips of the first installation do not match with the latter, both to make the planking more robust and because it does not filter the light of the leds

     

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    see you next time

    black Wolf

     

     

     

  12. After arranging the bridges, I came up with the idea of creating the lighting system, I reported on the longitudinal plane the schematic of the system with the leds, the resistors, the path of the conductors, and the interconnections with the primary conductors ending at the battery (two 1.5 v. stylus)

     

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    I will start to pass the electric wire (telephone braid) while I wait for the LEDs I bought online to arrive,

     

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    for the realization of the lighting system, it is necessary to open some frames,

    and checking the operation of the leds before placing it,

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    on the red conductor I connect the anode on the white the cathode and the 56 ohm resistor,

    a first view of the lighting that will be arranged later, the leds lights are the "flickering" ones that imitate the "candle" lighting

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    I also build the base support which has the tube on one side inside the conductors that end at the switch will pass

     

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    see you next time

    black Wolf

     

  13. Congratulations Roberto, your shipyard is very interesting, as are the mutual "analogies" that exist, the passion for long and ancient ships, surely the ship you are masterfully building was one of the models I had thought of making, then I chose to la triere, starting from a drawing by Dusek and elaborating it, necessarily (another analogy), I visited your sites, very beautiful,
    maybe another analogy deriving from your name, are you of Italian origin?
    If all these analogies are interconnected I assume that a Venetian galley is a type of boat that you could build, I think it would give you great satisfaction,
    I will follow your construction site with pleasure and interest,

    with regard

    black Wolf

  14. I am very pleased with your visit, Binho, as well as those of other friends, the material and insights are very interesting and will certainly be the subject of further study, I have already "downloaded" the files that I will read later with calm and attention , I had already taken some material from Academia but honestly I hadn't noticed the one on Acqualadroni's rostrum ...
    I hope to be able to count on your very welcome and fruitful collaboration,

    it was not easy to find the material on the triere, so I focused more on the model made by Morrison and Coates starting from the 1985 model, and following the subsequent modifications.
    Historically also Napoleon III who, studying and realizing a book on Julius Caesar, commissioned his designers to create a Roman trireme, which should have taken part in an exhibition, sailing on the Seine, at least these were the conditions, the result was a resounding fiasco, just in water the "torpedo" rotated on itself with all the resulting problems, I found a drawing of what the trireme must have been

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    The shape of the triere and the arrangement on three levels of over 140 rowers was and remains for a long time a mystery and a problem of understanding, the resultant of the load (rowers) is a key element, for the correct and stable buoyancy, consequently the their arrangement with respect to this is also reported the error made during the making of a film about Ben Hur, where you can see the rowers arranged on the usual vertical ...

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    but the central element was the length of the oars, which Morrison with the reading of a writing dating back to the Greek classics and with a careful observation of a painting reported on a vase will be able to correctly understand the correct arrangement of the rowers, demonstrating that literature and even the iconography, or rather the decorations and bas-reliefs, become a fundamental "evidential" element when, in the case of the trierie, there are no direct archaeological finds.

    however, in addition to the study, I went ahead with the work on the model by fixing the frames using the aluminum "L" profiles to maintain precise alignment

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    on the upper deck which is supported by a support structure there is no "sheer" or curvature (perhaps barely perceptible),
    then I started to fill the curved part of the stern, also very accentuated like the apluster of the Etruscan ships, but it does not end with the swan's head, but with ornaments that widen recalling a curved fan like the feathers of a bird, and in my opinion, without fills difficult to make

     

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    the upper photo shows the beginning of the work, the wood used is "Swiss pine"

     

    I removed the braces for the alignment of the construction frames

     

     

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    Unlike the Etruscan ship, the triere did not have lead plates on the planking of the hull to counteract the damage caused by the "teredine" worm precisely because, as illustrated above, the ships were winged every evening.

     

    Obviously the Etruscan ship built previously was a monére onerary and war (with a single level of rowers) which was used for the transport of goods, to fight and when the opportunity arose also to "pirate",
    I had already modified the rostrum on the drawings taking as a reference, the profile of Coates' Olympias rostrum (which is very beautiful) integrating it with the plan drawings of a trireme, "much less beautiful", but the material sent to me by Binho will be an element of a further study,

     

    The updating of the works is not in "real time" as well as the triere is building a Medici galleon for which the updating is conditioned by the alternation with the workings on two very different models, as a method I had set out to alternate two progressive weeks for each model, but reality conditions the "forecasts", however, let's go on with the story ...

    for this the work continues with the setting of the rostrum with respect to the keel, on Olympias it has a very streamlined appearance, which is not on the longitudinal drawing, with photoshop I have brought back more levels to try to harmonize the "curves", the difference between the details made by Coates and the construction plans found are evident, the difference is direct, both in the graphics and in the structural part, the problem is that they are "details" so I don't know how much the harmonization carried out will actually be harmonic, unfortunately I don't know how to use cad, at least not at the level of integrating different designs to make one, I could waste some time (a few days) to try to learn, but in reality I am not very stimulated, I follow the instinct, we will see .I worked on the decks by bringing them back to 0.8m plywood, set the bow fill and prepared the rostrum on a multi-composite piece,

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    that of the drawing that you see on the monitor is much smaller and "atrophic" the one shown for now is much bigger, surely the material received will continue to modify the profile, even if compared to that in the monitor it is larger,

    see you next time

    black Wolf

     

     

  15. I thank friends for the "likes"
    for the realization of the two models  I decided to dedicate two continuous weeks each, obviously the builds do not follow this logic, the photos were taken a few days ago compared to the present, this allows me to insert images almost continuously, obviously up to achievement of processing progress in "real" time
    The galleon foresees that on the sides there are painted geometric motifs as well as an area adjacent to the two bridges, while between the two decks, the greater and the battery one, no color is reported, so the strips will be "natural", tagliamare is also part of this area so I decided to replace it by creating a new one in walnut (one of my favorite essences)

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    I used a 1 cm board, the one in the photo above, planing it to 6 mm, the width of the keel

     

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    the pieces are identical, only the wood is different, certainly the walnut one is much more beautiful,

    the bow is also replaced

     

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    after removing the "plywood" one, I put the walnut one

     

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    the work on the bow is finished, the result is not bad

     

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    see you next time

  16. 10 hours ago, mtaylor said:

    That is some impressive research and findings.   For some reason, those shelters remind me of WWII submarine pens by providing shelter all around.

    You're right Mark, and thinks they did it 2500 years ago, both for the safety of the ship, and to counteract the action of the shipworm, later I will try to illustrate other construction features of the ship that made it unique, certainly for the speed it managed to reach

     

    9 hours ago, druxey said:

    Just discovered this interesting log!

     

    I am very pleased with Druxey, I will update the build soon, for now I am working on the galleon (lighting system)

    see you soon

  17. It won't be the last time I open the compartments ...

    after gluing the bow fillings, the next step was the "tapering" to give a harmonious profile

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    The name S. Giovanni Battista has been assigned to at least four boats, to a galley (the first which should be the one that took part in the battle of Lepanto), another galley built in 1589, the third a galleon built in 1598, and the fourth a large galleon with 64 guns of the English Dudley of 1607, probably the galleon of 1598 will be one of the galleons that Alessandro Risaliti (Commissioner of the Galere of the Order of St. Stephen) reports to Lorenzo Usimbardi (Secretary of State) for the purpose to demolish or sell them because they are no longer efficient, the Livorno galleon and a large galleon under construction probably the San Giovanni Battista del Dudley, set up in 1607, will be excluded from this provision. From this information it is believed that the Livorno in service with the Order of S. Stefano is none other than the S. Giovanni Battista of 1598, renamed to "Livorno" to pass the name to the flagship under construction, obviously it was not just a matter of a change of name but of a profound structural modification of the boat, improving its structural characteristics, will be one of the characteristics of the Dudley, the ability to renovate existing boats by improving their hydrodynamic and propulsive characteristics, for which this model is the San Giovanni Battista of 1598 prior to the renovation works, to "understand" the model of DeAgostini which is called S. Giovanni Battista, is actually the "Livorno".
    But what should not be overshadowed is the figure of Roberto Dudley himself both in the context of the city of Livorno and in its history, numerous British sources have in the past attributed to Robert Dudley (1574-1649), a complex figure of Catholic expatriate welcomed in Tuscany by Grand Duke Ferdinando I, a decisive role in the design of the maritime infrastructures of Livorno, in the reclamation of its territory, in the consolidation of commercial networks with England and even in the establishment of the free port, making it true in a certain sense " inventor "of the city, probably increasing to" excess "the role of Dudley in the context of the actual contribution of English to the development of the great port of the Medici, recent studies carried out by the University of Pisa have relocated precisely the figure of Dudley, who one contrasted historiography carried out by Livorno scholars tended to excessively downsize, if not ignore, the role of Dudley, recently carried out study deepens the figure and its role in the correct historical reality, specifying what was the effective contribution of English to the development of the great port of the Medici.

     

    After the historical study, due to the model and its important restructuring, to which both the Medici and the city of Livorno have recognized his value and great ingenuity, giving him (the Medici) a villa in Castello, in Sesto Fiorentino, where he lived and died here on September 6, 1649, while in the walls of the Old Dock near the monument of the Four Moors, where Ferdinand I stands, a commemorative plaque recalls him.
    Reading the story of this great character I start with images that represent him,

     

    Sir Robert Dudley earl of warwick

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    plan of the port of Livorno drawn by Dudley

     

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    commemorative plaques placed in Livorno and Castello prov. Florence

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    I paste the link, relating to the study carried out by the University of Pisa on the Dudley, is in Italian but it is possible to put subtitles in any language

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBS2sAPM_7o

     

     

    The work continued with the laying, without gluing of the bridge

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    see you next time

  18. The next step was the laying of the frames on the keel,

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    the upper part of the frames, which looks like a "beam", will later be removed, serves only for the beginning of the laying of the planking

    which was made with the tenon and mortise technique, similar to the technique used by the Etruscans,

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    the technique is called "eggshell" giving the planking a strong resistance and beauty, compared to the laying technique with framing

    another thing that is evident, the structural characteristic of the hull, is a long ship, as often "military" ships were, ie the ratio between the maximum beam and the overall length is 6.36
    (the value that is obtained by dividing 35m by 5.5m, the length divided by the measurement of the length of the beam m.) when the ratio is above 4 we are in the presence of a long ship

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    you begin to "see" the outline even if we are still very far from what it should become.
    For many years and still today the triere has been and is, object of very thorough study, not only the triere as a boat, but all the elements that are helpful for a more precise analysis possible on the basis of evidence acquired in Athens. and in Piraeus for the reconstruction, as evidenced by both ing. Coates and Morrison, such as archeology, literature, iconography and epigraphy from which the elements that served for the information necessary for the realization of Olympias were taken; an example regarding archeology, the measurements of the triere are estimated to be 35m / 36m with a max width of 6m, and even if no identifiable remains of a ship of this type have been reported from the sea, there is direct evidence of its dimensions because some "shelters" for the triere have been found built in Piraeus in the 5th century.
    The boats were winged every evening, moored in the sheds in the ancient Athenian ports of Zea and Mounichia, the naval installations have left a great archaeological imprint both on land and above all under the sea, the excavations carried out by the archaeologist Bjørn Lovén are famous. for hauling they have a maximum length of 37 m., while in the sense of the width there are approximately 6 m between the columns, I report some drawings and images of how they must have been drawn from the material I have found in these days of study .

    The following images and drawings represent the ancient "shelters" of Zea and Mounichia, the first image are the ports seen by google maps,

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    the next ones are drawings of hauling and mooring in the shelters where every evening the triere were repaired,

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    as were the haulage shelters

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    the 3D reconstruction of the moored triere

     

     

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    these are longitudinal plans of the area where the warehouses were,
    discovered by Dragatzes in 1886

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    to end with the isometric projection of the hauling in the Zea shelters

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    see you next time

     

     

     

  19. Thank you for the welcome appreciation,
    Patrick, the SGB galleon looks a lot like the Golden Hind, especially in the model that Dudley sir Robert will build by restructuring what I am building,
    Ondras, certainly going forward in the realization of the model I will build the other parts in self-construction always with wood from my trees,

    after the "emptying" work I started to draw the "missing" bridges the ones that the designer did not report on the construction plan, to do this I "dusted off" my old drawing board, from when I went to school "almost an eternity ago "and I drew the decks of the ship,

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    Later I realized that other details were missing that had not been reported in the construction drawings, relating to the frames where the bridges are placed, my desire is to illuminate the interiors allowing the view both from the windows and from the doors, I will have to set up the interiors to make details visible

     

     

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    so in the frames where there are doors and windows I had to "open" them

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    even the windows on the sides of the ship will be "opened" allowing you to see the interior "illuminated"

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    I think I have complicated my work who knows "if the game is not worth the candle"  (Italian proverb which expresses one's reluctance to make a sacrifice that will not make a proportionate profit) :rolleyes:

    however the modelers like complicated things, otherwise there is no satisfaction !!!

     

    I continued the work with the bow fillings, again with swiss pine (it is a soft wood, without knots, used for the moldings of antique furniture and for sculpting)

     

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    see you next time

     

  20. As I said earlier, the designer of the construction plans has forgotten to draw the various bridges, the lack / forgetfulness of the drawing of the bridges is not "a trivial matter", many times there are errors / anomalies in the realization of the construction plans and this is yet another example ... in practice excluding the central section of the main deck which is the only one drawn in plan, of the others you can only see the sections in the longitudinal plan ... so all of them will have to be redesigned.

    I would also like to create a lighting system,  with LEDs for which at the "planning" level I have to modify different parts and areas created in the construction plans to "illuminate" the interiors, I started making changes from the transom in which there are windows, logically you will have to see the light from them, otherwise it makes no sense to create a lighting system
    In the stern part it is rightly advised to make the fillings, which I did with the Swiss pine,

     

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    but how do i put leds with glued fillings? :default_wallbash:

    the only system is to manually mill now what I would have done much more "easily" if I had waited before gluing the piece ...

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    finally the internal compartments have been "emptied!"

     

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    other parts will have to be emptied and the path for the power cable, lights, battery container and switch set up, this is just the beginning

     

    see you next time

    black Wolf

     

  21. A small update on the parts that make up the keel that will be partially visible, while the part next to the stern will be "flush" with the planking, I thought of making the part of the "beams" in walnut alternating, according to the exposure, the darker and fewer areas

     

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    In the necessary and partly "poor" search for information, drawings and images of finds, I also saw the film "300 - The dawn of an empire" by director Noam Murro, in which the battle of Salamis of 480 BC is reported, where the astute Themistocles is the commander of the fleet of Athenian trieres, who will challenge the imposing fleet of Xerxes, certainly the film is very "spectacular" and action but the historical / technological part on the triremes is very superficial and not real both with historical facts and with the models of Athenian triremes used in the epic battle, in practice one of Themistocles's "cunning" in the "true story" will be that of "lightening" the triremes by modifying the integral bridge by reducing it a lot by lightening the triere, thus acquiring a greater speed, however, reducing the number of soldiers on the boat, transforming the triere into a "light" triere, while the film shows the "heavy" ones with many hoplites, in practice what I will try to achieve is a "heavy" one, (no  present in the battle of Salamis),
    instead of the drawings showing the two boats,
    the "light", built by Themistocles with a very small bridge, whose purpose was only the "ramming"

     

    the light trire

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    the heavy trire

     

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    like the Olympias triere made by Morrison and Coates,
    the "heavy" trires were built later for the Peloponnesian war and never abandoned as a "profile" with the advantage of being able to embark many more soldiers. This characteristic, that is the sharing of the usual hull, but with a different use in form and use, is called "the discriminant of the katastroma", as well highlighted in an article reported in "Academia" by an Italian teacher expert in literature and ancient Greek history, from which I have drawn useful information to frame the characteristics of this model that I will try to highlight during the realization of the model, as often happens, the search for technical and historical information of a naval model determines changes compared to what we believed or had as initial material, over time I have seen that the technical details and drawings made for the construction of Olympias are the most conform to what should have been a boat of this type, for this reason they will be the ones I will most use for the construction of the triere

     

     

    see you next time

    black Wolf

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