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Don't know how politic this is, but came across this 1:200 scratchbuilt card model of a RN 'N' class destroyer, which strikes me as being truly remarkable. Felt I had to share.... http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/dd/orp/ORP_Piorun-200-wm/index.htm
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2nd rate London 1656 – the art of the shipwright
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Admin.... This thread has descended beyond the pale. Before the real muck starts to fly, it seems the time to pull the plug has arrived, before this forum gets dragged down any further, with the possibility of litigation on the horizon. A sad state of affairs which can do the forum no good at all. -
Time and again throughout history it is a sad fact that pain, injury and life is a commodity very low on the list of military costs.
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shipman replied to Waldemar's topic in Nautical/Naval History
It isn't very edifying to feel one's self being swayed one side or the other of an argument. I do not wish to take sides, but one point occurs to me is that 'Waldemar' is doing a fine job defending his case using not his first language, so any perceived abrasiveness may be misplaced. He clearly knows his stuff and I admire his tenacity. Perhaps this forum should not see itself, or be the platform to be the final arbiter on such matters; something it frequently attempts to be? How many times must a hair be split? -
Tip:- if you kink the wire unintentionally, roll it between 2 hard flat surfaces. Ta Da! all straight again. I use small pieces of hardened glass.
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At diameter required, the brass wire is perfect for the job.
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Daryll, you made a tidy job using the thread. The ship has metal rails which curve with the hull contours, so wire would look more authentic. Brass would be best, but at a pinch you could strip the insulation off some domestic copper wire, though not being so rigid would be easily be deformed if knocked.
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Time to whip the cloth off the table and leave the lunch in the fridge. The dog has its bone and isn't going to let it go. Tomorrow is another day, so can we start over? -
2nd rate London 1656 – the art of the shipwright
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I posted pics of brass stanchions and wire on one of the previous CS build logs. The wire looks much more authentic than any 'thread'. Admiring this crisp build, thank you.
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Coming along nicely. The rigging will be an adventure. Main thing.....enjoy yourself.
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Airfix had a nice range of 1:600 kits, including 'Mauretania', 'Queen Elizabeth', 'QE2', SS Canberra', SS France', possibly others?
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I lived in London through the 1980's and visited CS several times. Of course the ship was as intended, sitting in the dry-dock, entirely exposed. The copper bottom was getting a bit shabby by then but that didn't detract from the spectacle. Like many I was shocked to see her live, on the news, burning; but it turned out most of the consumables were removed and in storage at Chatham, so in the long run, the fire became a bonus, in that it generated the funds that were lacking to do the restoration properly. No doubt lots of ingenuity went into the re-build and development of how she's displayed today. Unfortunately I don't like what has become of her. Mainly a corporate party venue, which no doubt generates the money to keep her 'alive', but the last time I checked, Joe Public has to cough up £20 to climb aboard and to be honest I think that's on the steep side. As a passing visitor, seeing her floating on a glass ice berg, detracts so much from how she looks. Nothing like progress, but at least she's there.
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Lovely to see so much enthusiasm for a lovely ship, which we are lucky to have with us still. There's nothing more imposing when you see any ship in the flesh; it gives an overwhelming sense of awe and scale. If the Hackney book can be found at a reasonable cost it would be worth having, whatever its limitations are. Longridge: I encountered his book and magnificent model of Victory many years ago and was blown away. I'm very sympathetic to his almost academic approach to the subjects he modeled. If you read either the CS or Victory tome you can't help but appreciate the thought and care he applied. Both ships were visited and studied by him; CS when still afloat! So it will surprise no one when I tend to sympathise and trust his (Underhill) plans above any others. By comparison, the Campbell drawings are (to me) more like stylized illustrations rather than plans. Those drawings are mainly so impressive as the sheets are so large, yet the drawings lack definition, more like a childs picture book. Never a popular opinion. I know, but I'm too old to worry about such frippery.
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I seem to recall the Underhill plans contained in Longridge were modified by Underhill to include the results of his research. As I've never seen the ORIGINAL Underhill drawings, I have no idea what those alterations entailed; or, indeed were they printed larger? I do believe they can still be purchased here https://www.modelerscentral.com/model-ship-plans/underhill-model-ship-plans/
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Smart aleck here again! The original two volume Longridge does indeed have a set of folded pull out plans, whereas the combined volume has the plans as new pages and are a little smaller to fit the format.
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One of my normal oblique comments....haven't read the entire blog, so may have missed this detail:- I'm pretty certain this ship would have wire shrouds? Much stronger than natural fibers, so not so many required and they are thinner in diameter. By the way, if folk are using photographs of 'Victory' to judge the visual scale weight, the shroud cordage is now of modern self coloured synthetic material and is thinner than it should be (mainly due to thicker stuff being simply unavailable).
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