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Tom, If the pins are to proper scale, the hole will be quite small compared to the width of the rail so should not split. The handle diameter should be somewhere between 1.5" and 2" so it fits well in the hand and the lower part in the neighborhood of 1"- 1 1/8" diameter. I don't know what your model scale is but if it is the Artesania kit at 1:50, approximate hole size would be about 0.0225 (number 53 wire size drill bit) Most kits have pins the diameters of which are over sized and drilling large holes in the rail to accommodate them could cause splitting problems. If you decide to go with the kit pins and they are oversized in diameter, clamp the pin rack in a vise, mark where the holes are to be drilled and then drill the holes. A small drill press works best, but any small bench vice will do the trick if using hand drills, manual or power. Making your own pins is an option, but at these diameters, making them of wood, including boxwood, is a challenge. I have used pieces of brass rod of the appropriate handle diameter, chuck it in a drill press or Dremel type unit and with fine file, reduce the lower part to the proper diameter. Once done, the top of the handle can be hand filed to round it a bit. It can then be painted to a wood color or blackened (for ships when iron pins came into use.) Allan

Maury, There was also cutter-stay fashion used from about 1840 on, at least in Britain. Not sure if this would have also been used for a US vessel at that time.. Keep in mind that the deadeyes had much wider scores to accommodate the cutter fashion shroud throat and round seizings. If going with previous style rigging, the drawing Justin posted is from R.C. Anderson's book The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast page 94. It is the same as given in Lees Masting and Rigging, but note the fine print, the drawing from Anderson is as viewed from outboard. For a more detailed drawing, albeit from inboard, check page 42 in Lees Masting and Rigging. Allan

Welcome to MSW. Yes, you will not want for help here, so never hesitate to ask any questions at all. Allan

Alan, Thank you very much for the compliment, but truth is that my knowledge only goes as far knowing where to search in my small library and who to ask. My memory ain't what it used to be :>) This being only your third model, I say cudos to you. You might want to think about a scratch build on your next adventure. Part of the fun for many of us is the initial research to find a subject that is pleasing to the eye and has enough history to give it life beyond the timber used to build her. With many contemporary drawings and contracts with details, it is truly an interesting adventure. Allan

Hi Alan, (Which one of us is spelling our name wrong :>)) Probably me, as people get it wrong most of the time. Anyway...… There are no lines on the cross jack that go aft. The following is paraphrased from Lees Masting and Rigging, pp 81-82. There are slings to take the weight of the yard since no jeers were carried. Up to 1773, there was , a single block was strapped to the center of the yard, the sheave running athwartships. One end of the sling rope has an eye at one end and the other end rove through this block from starboard to port, up and around the back of the mast above the crosstrees, rove through the eye on the other end of the sling and seized to itself. There should be a simple truss which was the norm until 1773 since no parrel was used. This holds the cross jack to the mast. The truss was changed after 1773 to include the truss pendent that ran down to the deck. There were also the running lifts with the running part belayed to a cleat at the foot of the mast or the bitts. The only other rigging were sometimes foot ropes with the footropes and stirrups carried directly from the yard as no jackstays were used on the cross jack. The only other rigging to the cross jack are the brace pendants and braces which ran forward as you see on your plans. Lees may be wrong or have missed something but I would trust his work before most kit instructions as his work was so well researched before being published. R.C. Anderson's Rigging of Ships In the Days of the Spritsail Topmast 1600-1720 goes into a lot of detail on the "cro'jack" and gives very similar descriptions for English ships. He gives no description on any rigging that goes aft from the crossjack on English ships. He does describe how some Dutch ships sometimes had the braces go aft. Keep in mind the crossjack was stationary with no need to raise and lower so the sling and truss were sufficient to hold it in place yet allow it to rotate around the mast via the braces. Again, I hope this information is of some help to you. Allan

Hi Alan, Sorry to start off with questions, my apologies. Are you referring to the mizen yard (angled yard fore and aft yard) or the cross jack (horizontal square yard)? Do the plans show any kind of braces at all? The cross jack for the time of Royal Caroline, would have had running lifts and braces. Brace pendants were taken along the foreside of the yard and the braces would have led forward, not aft. The standing part was normally seized to the main mast shrouds, led through the cross jack pendant blocks attached to the cross jack, then forward and through blocks seized on the main mast shroud, then down to the deck. The braces cross each other going port to starboard and vice versa. There are only the truss, slings, lifts and braces on the cross jack. I don't think that the braces would be belayed to pins, but rather, to cleats at the area of the break of the QD. If you are referring to the mizen yard, which angles as a lateen, this has a totally different set of rigging as it carried a sail, unlike the cross jack. Hope this is of at least a little help. Allan

This is a personal thing but I avoid CA. I would add epoxy for metal to wood gluing if it comes into play on your model. Allan

Many thanks for sharing this again Kurt!! I missed the earlier posts so very happy to see it come up now. Until now I would never use anything other than silver solder, but am anxious to give Star Brite a try. When you use your torch, do you just go with a softer flame than you would for silver solder? If not, I assume the danger still remains of melting the part to be soldered, which I think most of us have done on occasion. Allan

Grant Everyone has their own way, but I would do the colors separately. The white strip that is between the black and red it is key. I have used pinstriping tape you can get from any auto parts store or on-line. It will give a perfect line top and bottom. After it is on, the entire hull can be hit with five or six coats of clear which will soften the edge of the striping tape as it does have a slight thickness and would be noticeable on close inspection. The photo below has a relatively wide tape, but various widths are available. (The finish on the model in the photo is way to shiny IMHO, but that is what the buyer requested.) Egg shell/semi-gloss finish would probably be more appropriate. If you opt not to use tape and just go with paint, be sure to seal the masking tape that you use to give the straight edge with a couple coats of clear. It will minimize any paint bleeding under the tape. Allan

Tom According to Lees Masting and Rigging (page 42) the sheer pole was to prevent twisting of the shrouds and were commonly found in the 19th century. He does not say whether they were used or not earlier so it may be appropriate for Leopard. He does say that they were made of 2 inch diameter iron rod. Allan

I am with Phil on using MC as a source whenever possible as they are usually MUCH less expensive than a hobby shop and have a much wider selection of sizes and materials. Allan

Shortgrass, Hope you don't mind but I can only address the distance between decks. Assuming you are building POB, I measured from the top of the gun deck beams to the top of the QD beams at the center line in a couple places and from the top of the GD beams to the Forecastle beams at the center line. They are marked on the drawing below. These are real world dimensions so you need to adjust for the scale to which you are building. I assume you have already done so, but if not, you can open and copy a high def image of this contemporary drawing of Fly 1776 on Wikipedia https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/FLY_1776_RMG_J7978.png Allan

Hermie, What do you mean fast way is paper? Can you post a couple photos? Thanks Allan

Hi Michel, Sorry for leading you astray on the Young America build log . I based my suggestions on your post describing a clipper ship of Baltimore of 1840/1860 rather than a schooner of 1780-1820. It sounds like you are referring to a Baltimore Clipper which were topsail schooners that came out very late in the 18th century and were used quite a lot during the War of 1812 and well beyond. Allan

Bienvenue to MSW Piet de Mol. You can do a search on blocks on the rigging forum. There is a lot of information on blocks from various centuries and how to make them in the rigging forum. Allan

Michel, I suggest studying the excellent build log here at MSW on the Young America clipper (1853) by Ed Tosti. Truss bracket pivots were used on the yards and he gives extremely detailed explanations and photos of how to make these. Better yet, you may want to consider purchasing his books on the Young America from Seawatch Bookswhich which provide all the drawings and explanations you will probably need. While it is not the same ship, it was built during the height of the clipper era and is likely to be the best source for details on rigging a clipper. Allan

Dave, There was a lengthy discussion on caulking about a week or two ago. If you do a quick search at the top of the forum page it should come up with a LOT of choices offered. Allan

Bonjour Michel/Mike :>) Per the post from Henry, if you could identify the ship you have in mind or at least size/type/year/nationality, details can be shared more easily and accurately. Allan

Hello John, Welcome to MSW. Please consider starting a build log on your model, it will avail you to thousands of helpers here if you run into any other questions or problems. Looking at the photo you posted, I would go with a two, or even better, a three piece rail on each side, scarphed together. You can get various sheet wood at local hobby shops or on line, depending on the type of wood you want to use. CLOSE grained is best, such as pear or Castello and quite a few others you will see discussed in the Wood Discussion forum here. Allan

The photos you posted are incredible. Thanks for sharing these. Allan

Bruce, I don't know if the second sketch from Goodwin is correct or not, but it is consistent in the layout and I assume it is correct. Sorry, but I keep looking and still do not see any error in the rows 1 and 2 in the lower sketch. Note that this is the same pattern in the TFFM Swan class series for the upper deck. The three butt shift pattern does not form a straight diagonal of seams like the 4 butt shift, but the pattern that is shown does repeat along the length of the deck. And then things can get a little more difficult for the four outer most strakes if top and butt planking is used for strength to support the guns. Fun stuff. Allan

Bruce, Not sure what you mean by a fail in the second sketch. Do you mean the butts are incorrectly spaced? Sorry, not sure I see this. Can you make a sketch to explain? Thanks!! Allan

For me at least it would have been a little easier to decipher if the drawing carried over a few more beams and strakes as I have added on the sketch below. Allan

I am with Druxey in not using grooves. They tend to be graves for errant frames if you want to place the frames first. I make a similar mold shaped to the inside of the frames, then glue tiny spacers to keep the frames in place. Holly is great for the frames as a minute soaking in water will allow them to be bent without splitting (95% of the time). Couple photos to give you a better idea of what I mean. Allan

Hi Barry, A big welcome to MSW! As this is your first post, perhaps you could post an intro about yourself in the new members section as well. Have you checked the other Panart Victory build logs here on MSW? Again, a warm welcome to the fray. Allan