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ancre Coureur by cafmodel - 1/48
archjofo replied to cafmodel's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
That's outstanding work. A wonderful model. -
That's outstanding work. A wonderful model. And for that, my deepest respect and admiration.
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ancre La Jacinthe 1823 by guraus - Scale 1:48
archjofo replied to guraus's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1801 - 1850
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@druxey @cog Hello, many thanks for the nice comments. Also many thanks for the LIKES. Here I continue with the report as follows: Today I will try a longer description. I hope that I express myself somewhat understandable, because my english is not so good. Lanyards of the deadeyes - ridages des caps de mouton Because I could not find any clear indications for securing the shrouds' lanyards for La Créole. I would like to pick up where I left off a long time ago. In the meantime I took care of some details, like remaining guide blocks on the bulwark, protective caps for the carronades and the travellers. Further extensive research and the study of many contemporary models concerning the securing of the lanyards for the shrouds brought me to the conclusion that there are many different types of construction, which can be seen depending on the era, but also were handled differently in different countries. As I also noticed, I think that many modelers do not pay enough attention to this detail. In this respect, I think it is a pity if on a sailing ship from the beginning of the 19th century the securing of the lanyards is the same as one before 1800. Surely some will say that these details were often left to the taste of the commander, which may have been the situation in individual cases. But especially in the Navy there were standards that can be read in the relevant contemporary literature. Source: Musée de la Marine Paris - Le Suffren 1829 Source: Musée de la Marine Paris - La Crèole As can be seen very well on the above picture of the 1:20 scale model of Le Suffren, the lanyards is looped twice around the shroud rope from behind. In the case of La Créole it is even twice in the bow direction, as it is also the case with the contemporary model of Le Rivoli. I already showed this example some time ago. What the viewer cannot see is how the end of the rope is ultimately secured. The then and later always common variant, where the ends of the lanyards were tied to the rope several times (see the following illustration), could not be seen on either Le Suffren or La Creole. Up to now I was not able to find a corresponding photo of the rear side of the upper dead eyes with the securing of the lanyards. So I continued my search to find information how the securing of the end of the lanyard could have ended behind the dead eyes. After a long search I finally found it. On the following picture the shrouds of the Great Eastern are to be seen from board. As you can see, the shortened ends of the lanyards were secured with two seizings. Source: Wikimedia - Captain Harrison of the Great Eastern - 1859 This could also have been the case with La Créole, Le Rivoli and Le Suffren. At least, there is some evidence for it, as the following picture detail shows, which I could find out meanwhile. It shows a dead eye of the contemporary model of Le Suffren from the bulwark. I mean to recognize a short end of a lanyard. Source: Musée de la Marine Paris - Le Suffren 1829 Unfortunately, I do not have any better picture material that could give clarity. Nevertheless, I will try a test for the model to be able to make a decision in the end. To be continued ...
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Hello, first of all thank you Bob for your positive comment and all the others also for the LIKES. I had a short break. Picking up where I left off. The Travellers were often dressed in leather to protect the wood. For this I found the following: Source: The Naval Officer's Guide for Preparing Ships for Sea - Lt. C. Martelli_1838 We'll see how it goes.
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An admirable job. Especially remarkable is the scale in which this level of detail has been executed.
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Hello, I'm glad you're still interested in my report. Thank you very much for that. The last guide blocks were attached to the inside of the bulwark in the waterway. In total I have now made 43 blocks (single, double and triple blocks). In addition a picture of the front area of the battery deck: Now in the next step I can attach the ratelines as soon as I have a decision to secure the lanyards.
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Hi, to my question of the lanyards for the dead eyes as described in the last post I found another picture. This shows the lanyards of Le Rivoli from 1807. Here is also to see this method of securing the lanyards. Is there really no one who can give me more information about this? Excuse me, but I don't have a higher-resolution image. I hope you can see it.
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Hello Friends, since about 6 months the shrouds are set, but I have not yet lashed the lanyards. So I think the shrouds had enough time to stretch, because I have retightened the taljereeps from time to time. Before I can attach the ratlines, I have to tighten the shrouds properly and secure the lanyards. In this respect it has to be clarified how to secure the taljereep correctly after the shroud rope has been set. There were different methods for this. However, in many beautiful ship models this detail is often not correctly reproduced and thus impairs the overall impression. A common method is to secure the taljereep as shown in the following drawing: Source: Rigging Period Ship Models, Lennarth Petersson However, a close look at illustrations of contemporary French ship models at the beginning of the 19th century, including Le Rivoli and La Créole (see detail), reveals that the lanyards was inserted from behind between the deadeye and the shroud and wrapped around the shroud twice in the direction of the bow and once in the direction of the stern. What was done with the end of the taljereep cannot be seen on any of the pictures available to me. Source: Rigging Period Ship Models, Lennarth Petersson However, a close look at illustrations of contemporary French ship models at the beginning of the 19th century, including Le Rivoli and La Créole (see detail), reveals that the lanyards was inserted from behind between the deadeye and the shroud and wrapped around the shroud twice in the direction of the bow and once in the direction of the stern. What was done with the end of the taljereep cannot be seen on any of the pictures available to me. Source: Musée de la Marine Paris - La Crèole After a long search in relevant literature I came across the following picture. This is a more modern way of rigging, but the same principle. The figure Fig. 318 b shows the back of the deadeyes and one can clearly see that the free end of the lanyard was connected to itself by bindings. So I think it is not far off to conclude that the French could have secured the lanyards in this way at the beginning of the 19th century. This could also explain the execution of the Parisian and other contemporary models. Source: Seamanship, S. B. Luce, 1891 At my model stand, with which I have carried out experiments on the ratlines so far, I compared the well-known and the method for securing the taljereeps mentioned above (unfortunately one turn too many). Before I decide on an execution method, I would be grateful for your expert opinions. See you soon ...
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Hello Micheal, hello Mark, thanks for your kind comments. Also thanks to all for the LIKES. The equipment of the fore shrouds with the ropes ladders on the model has been completed in the meantime. The final fixing of the carrier ropes to the shrouds will be done when the ratlines are attached. In this respect, adjustments are still possible, if necessary. It continues with an update:
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